Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Thinlómien]

Not exhibiting visible symptoms

Legate - he gives me a bad vibe every now and then, but he's overall looked quite innocent and his role in the Huine lynch makes me 90% certain he's innocent. I think he's too nice to bus a packmate that brutally.

Pitchwife - very innocent vote placement yesterDay, has given me an increasingly innocent vibe as the game has gone on. Not very worried about him at the moment.


Bear watching

Lottie - I can't shake the shady vibe I have from her, but her Huine vote looks very innocent. I repeat: if she was merely aiming for self preservation, she could have picked Mac over Huine, and Mac is either innocent or a more heavily suspected wolf than Huine was.

Kath - seriously flying under my radar. Can't give her a free pass on merely "not having done anything suspicious" anymore.

Lhuna - I like her cheerful tone and the way she seems to be going against the flow quite often, but I don't have any actual reasons to consider her innocent. I keep lowkey suspecting her mostly because she could easily be packmates with my other suspects or even with Huine.

Boro - oscillating between weird Boro and normal Boro in this game. The glimpses of normal Boro I have seen have been mostly very reassuring to me, but his yesterDay's vote makes me more wary of him again.

Rune - seriously under my radar. I used to lean innocent on him, but now I don't think I have enough grounds to think so. YesterDay's vote doesn't say much.


Bear even more watching (trying to differentiate here because I realised I put like 80% of the village in the same category)

Greenie - my brain is lowkey fixated on the idea that she's a wolf slipping under my radar. I don't have any great reasons to think so, and I do agree with a lot of her points and suspicions. (Well, I always do. After all, given that she's my sister so is it weird if our brains work similarly? ) That being said, it's however very interesting to me where she and I disagree, and I still think it lowkey dodgy how she avoided the whole Huinescussion yesterDay and instead kept discussing Mac and Brinn.

Lalaith - possibly the least innocent looking Huine voter - she's callously sacrificed packmates before, and associating herself with the ranger was a pretty safe move in general. But mostly I don't really have much on her either way, and she could as well be a wolf flying under the radar or an innocent flying under the radar...

Brinn - also not a glaringly innocent vote as far as the Huine votes go. Has been consistently suspicious all game, which paradoxically makes me slightly less worried about her. If anyone, innocent!Brinn would be a very easy suspicion target for the wolves. But that doesn't mean she's innocent of course. Also, Hui's defence of her makes me very confused. I originlly thought it looks quite wolf-on-wolf, but someone pointed out it looks almost like Hui slipping up that he knows Brinn is innocent. I'm quite torn about Brinn.

Eönwë - sealed Huine's fate, which makes me feel a little better about him. Otherwise I find him somewhat fishy and opportunistic (see: for instance the way he blames Shasta for holding onto his vote until things were resolved when he himself all but did the same) and he's also someone I consider a likely "fellow wolf" to a lot of people.

THE Ka - also "used to consider innocent on very little evidence, don't want to do so anymore". In fact, I've become slightly suspicious of her. The way she seems to play in her own little bubble, steering clear of controversy while "being helpful" very much reminds me of the "Fellowship of Saruman" ww game where she was rp'ing Radagast so endearingly in her own bubble with the birds and other cute animals that she flew under everybody's radar while she was actually a wolf. Also, her vote yesterDay is a little dodgy to me, as well as her staying away from the Huinescussion.

Shasta - pros: looks like he was shielding Kit. Cons: the way he hovered around yesterDay during the whole lynch without sticking his neck out. Also seemed reluctant to take part in the Huinescussion until he was forced to.


Would seriously consider quarantining

Zil - I used to think him quite innocent, and also was reluctant to join the chorus of lowkey Zil suspicion which seemed to be based on nothing more than the usual kneejerk "suspicious vibe" that always surrounds him - as I said, he's generally someone who's quite easy to get lynched so it makes sense for wolves to keep him on a suspicion list. But he's making me very uneasy now with his dodgy vote yesterDay, his fatalistic attitude about getting lynched toDay, and being fixated only on a few villagers (as someone said, convenient if he's a wolf thinking he's getting the axe).

Mac - okay, I hate to say this, but he has started to seem a lot more innocent to me. Like, my gut feeling is a lot better, but my logic still cannot fathom why innocent Mac would have acted the way he did yesterDay. Greenie summarised this quite well in her #666.

Sally - Eeevil cupcake. Eeeevil. Has been suspiciously safe in her choices since the beginning, tried to save Huine yesterDay, toDay first seemed to have given up and now is trying to convince people she'd have bussed a fellow!Huine. There's nothing innocent in this mix. Certainly my main suspect at the moment.


edit: xed with #674 and onwards

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Another thing: I have, like a lot of people, been thinking about wolf-on-wolf voting, and with two specific questions in mind:
1. Does Legate's first vote for Hui mean that I was wrong to suspect him yesterDay?
2. Does Hui's 3rd vote for Mac point to his (Mac's) innocence?

Another thing then crossed my mind. Would the fact that a dead wolf ensures that the baddie vote now dominates the QT, make wolves less reluctant to lynch each other? After all, this means the packmate can continue to be useful and push their agenda elsewhere...

My two cents: 1. Likely yes. 2. Likely no (Hui had laid the grounds for voting Mac earlier, and it might have looked weird to back out of it. Besides, their vote was also self-preservation.) "3". I don't think so. The qt has just one vote. One (publicly known!) wolf vote is not much of a consolation prize for a dead fellow, I'd say.

I did not like the Kit discussion yesterDay and I think everyone involved in it is low key stupid (including Legate who said like five times "please shut up about Kit" which is, paradoxically, a very loud way to address the situation). But really, can we tell if there were wolves involved or if it was just innocents who didn't necessairly think things through? I don't think the Kitscussion is more informative than the Huinelynch - which makes me a little wary of anyone who chooses to pay attention to it primarily (looking at Kath here).

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I have to agree with Legate here – I don’t get how an evil-majority QT means we should try pre-voting again. Boro, can you explain?

I don't pass up an opportunity to bluff wolves. We know the QT vote cannot be trusted. So I want to see what name they put out there when given what they think I, and the collective, might do. If the last 2 DLs prove anything it's anything can happen in the final hour. I want to try to force the hands of the evil QT vote.

It won't go so far to determine anything with today's lynch, but can be used in hindsight tomorrow. In general the more information the better, even if that information is attractive bait. If we don't offer them any information, they can use the QT vote for any reason and there would be no way to learn anything from it. So much for those arguments about needing information? It's a battle of wits, trying to out-fox the foxes, to the death.

There's no point in it now. I mean if I'm the only one who does it, they'll just ignore me anyway. So, I consider the matter closed.

I don't want to beat a dead horse with all the Mac-voters. My reasoning for not Huey is I generally don't like joining a bandwagon on someone not present to defend himself. Mac was present had ample opportunity to defend himself, Huey wasn't and I had not given him much thought. I'm not going to feel upset over a bandwagonned wolf, but I'm also not going to throw a self-pity party that I was wrong not to join it. I move on to the next day.

I am definitely suspicious of the Mac-voters who have come out insisting to look at wolf-on-wolf voters, or the possibility that Mac is also a wolf. (Sally and Inzil). That would be something if the top 2 lynch possibilities were both wolves. Taking into account what I've seen so far from the pack, I find that unlikely Mac-wolf planned at night to go suicidal.

I have to get going for the next several hours. I was hoping to take a good look at the non Mac/Huey voters, but I won't have time until I'm back around 3 hours before DL. I may be able to sneak some time in to keep up on the activity.

Do you start seeing the difference now? I didn't focus on the "throw away" voters in Day 1 because a cobbler was lynched and there were votes that struck me as more productive to spend my time with. Yesterday a wolf was lynched, and the "throw away" voters look more suspicious than the people who voted Huey.

Of those, the one that stood out to me, but I'll take a look at all of them, was Lhuna's. I still don't know why she voted Lommy. Unless I missed it there was almost no reasoning there. Granted, her time zone avoids her from being present when the most activity happens, but that looks like a 2nd throw away vote. Her first was her own, Day 1 fine. I completely missed Huey's "slip" and Lhuna's response. If someone can be so kind to point me in the right direction to that.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Kath this is all very interesting. Did you see my post #680? We seem to be on similar trains of thought.

I was looking more at things from yesterDay as I wanted to be clear on it so I'm afraid I skimmed past it at the time. But looking at it now yes I can see we have ended up with the same ideas about Eonwe.

[Macalaure]

Eonwe is ready to lynch half the village in a pinch. How comforting.

Originally Posted by Lommie

Like, my gut feeling is a lot better, but my logic still cannot fathom why innocent Mac would have acted the way he did yesterDay.

Logic, schmogic.

Originally Posted by Legate

I wasn't really worried about Zil until he said this.

Reminds me a bit of me late yesterDay, as some said, an innocent who's aware the village is out to get him, but you know you've dug your own hole and you're kind of accepting it. If I squint and tilt my head, I can see an innocent Inzil, but the hard evidence is against him. Right now, I'd prefer Sally and Greeny to him, though.

Speaking of which, I'm a little saddened by the scant amount of suspicion Greenie is getting. I'm going to put an analysis together, trying my best to approach it with a fresh mind.