HoME XIII: The Weird Bits

[Huinesoron]

Oh, are we talking the "Gal Pals" phase of the Legendarium? I've never been convinced by the claim that C.S. Lewis accidentally persuaded Tolkien that lesbianism lay outside the traditional Catholic condemnation of homosexuality, but it's pretty clear something did. Uinen and Miriel, Galadriel and Luthien, that obscure note about Haleth (I know C.T. rejected the "meets Aredhel in [Nan] Elmoth" reading, but it makes more sense than his version), and not even mentioning that weird thing with Níniel being "filled with great affection and longing" at Turin's description of his sister Nienor.

I know, he had a whole essay about the Pure Love of Woman, and how nakedness = innocence (see also: Tom Bombadil's 'naked over the grass'), and... what was that quote?

Originally Posted by HoME XIII: Rejected Extracts from the 'Laws and Customs'

The Eldar considered the procreative urge a barrier to friendships between man and woman; yet between woman and woman this love could be practiced in its unmarred form.

... but really, who was he kidding?

I've always thought it odd that Christopher shuffled most of this material off to The Weird Bits, but let the whole Indis/Nerdanel[/Miriel] thing slip through into Morgoth's Ring:

Originally Posted by HoME X: Morgoth's Ring

But Nerdanel would not go with him, and she asked leave to abide with Indis, whom she had ever esteemed, though this had been little to the liking of Feanor.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

and not even mentioning that weird thing with Níniel being "filled with great affection and longing" at Turin's description of his sister Nienor.

Are we talking about suiphilia here? Because why not?

Speaking of love, it also says that the Elves that Morgoth captured indulged in an intercourse with Orc-women. That's how Alvar and later, Morleg, were born. It's also why Gwindor was so marred when he returned to Nargothrond. He had an intercourse with Orc-woman and she marked him as her own. It also explained why Morleg fell in love with his cousin; she, being an independent woman, and headstrong as well, reminded him of his grandmother.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Are we talking about suiphilia here? Because why not?

Because thou shalt not mix thy Greek and Latin roots. I take it you mean autophilia or ipsamory.

Originally Posted by Urwen

That's how Alvar and later, Morleg, were born.

I've heard of Morleg, and even his stillborn twin brother Lessleg, but who's Alvar?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I've heard of Morleg, and even his stillborn twin brother Lessleg, but who's Alvar?

Oh, I know this one! Originally known as Alwē, he was the leader of the tiny breakaway Vanyar group who refused to leave Cuivienen (along with Morwē and Nurwē for the Noldor and Teleri). They eventually travelled west, and intermarried with the Nandor of Lorien and Mirkwood - hence the high number of blond elves in those kingdoms (see: Haldir).

It's all in HoME XIII.

hS

PS: "automobile", "television", and, indeed, "homophobia" and "polyamory".

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Oh, I know this one! Originally known as Alwē, he was the leader of the tiny breakaway Vanyar group who refused to leave Cuivienen (along with Morwē and Nurwē for the Noldor and Teleri). They eventually travelled west, and intermarried with the Nandor of Lorien and Mirkwood - hence the high number of blond elves in those kingdoms (see: Haldir).

It's all in HoME XIII.

hS

Actually, he is not. Alvar is the son of Albus and Varda, and they used the portmanteau of their names to name him. Just as Morleg is the combination of Miriel and Gothmog (Mrle+Go).