Password

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Wares of elves?

Nope! Though - shockingly - 'elves' is right.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

[Urwen]

Waker of Elves?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Waker of Elves?

Also no.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Wares of elves?

You know, starlight I can see, but Orocarni would be a bit challenging.

I am really struggling with these clues and I feel like there is another facepalm coming on soon. But for guessing sake, how about FINWE for 7?


I also wish that there was a way to fit "march" or "migration" or something like that into the first letters of this password, because that sounds like the the right theme.


The clue that bugs me most is 9, because I have a lot of ideas but they all end up running down blind alleys. I even got "Umbar" from lumbar at one point. But what about OLWE, directly from "lower", if you don't use the first letter?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am really struggling with these clues and I feel like there is another facepalm coming on soon. But for guessing sake, how about FINWE for 7?

Nope. The cryptic clue here is '... the least. The pirate agrees'.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I also wish that there was a way to fit "march" or "migration" or something like that into the first letters of this password, because that sounds like the the right theme.

Nah, those are way too late for this theme.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The clue that bugs me most is 9, because I have a lot of ideas but they all end up running down blind alleys. I even got "Umbar" from lumbar at one point. But what about OLWE, directly from "lower", if you don't use the first letter?

I mean, you've said the answer there, so I should probably give it to you...


WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

Carnil and Luinil, Nénar and Lumbar, Alcarinquë and Elemmirë she wrought in that time...

Apparently it's Saturn. Hence the rings.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Apparently it's Saturn. Hence the rings.

How did I not know there was a thing called Lumbar?

I feel like pirates agree by saying "aye aye", but haven't gotten anywhere with it. Can the rest of you make anything out of it?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

How did I not know there was a thing called Lumbar?

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I feel like pirates agree by saying "aye aye", but haven't gotten anywhere with it. Can the rest of you make anything out of it?

Arr, that be not very piratical! Ye needs to be morrrre pirratey than that!

(Alas, it's a month late for Talk Like A Pirate Day.)

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Arr, that be not very piratical! Ye needs to be morrrre pirratey than that!

(Alas, it's a month late for Talk Like A Pirate Day.)

hS

That's the only expression I could find as well.

[Urwen]

Also, I think it means that the first and the last letter of the answer are the same. Like in LUINIL, or ARDA.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

That's the only expression I could find as well.

Originally Posted by Urwen

Also, I think it means that the first and the last letter of the answer are the same. Like in LUINIL, or ARDA.

It does not mean that. :-/

Okay, since this one's proving hard, an alternate clue:

7. - The first is not the most. Just under just under a meter? Turn it on its head!

hS

[Urwen]

Centimeter? Decimeter?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Centimeter? Decimeter?

I think you're reading it too literally. (Also, just to be clear: 'just under just under' is not a typo.)

hS

[Urwen]

Okay then. Someone else can solve it. I am done. ---\O/---

[Pervinca Took]

Waken, oh Elves?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Waken, oh Elves?

Given the several very close guesses, I'm going to partially fill in the password for simplicity's sake.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. K - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

#3: your straight clue is 'the water'.

#5: doesn't strictly have a straight clue, but it's another one of Varda's creations.

#7: don't even try to make the first letter match. Consider the (obvious at this point?) theme and think what 'the first' might mean.

#12: my parents are from the 70s.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Still no idea what to do with least/not most, but less than a meter is a yard and less than that is YAR (yarrr! ?), so perhaps VANYAR? Or, rather RAYNAV, since the clue indicates it's backwards?

[Galadriel55]

3. Kwywyenenn?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Still no idea what to do with least/not most, but less than a meter is a yard and less than that is YAR (yarrr! ?), so perhaps VANYAR? Or, rather RAYNAV, since the clue indicates it's backwards?

'yar' is right ("Yarrr!" says the pirate), and the Vanyar are the answer, but the answer is not "VANYAR".

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

3. Kwywyenenn?

I was looking for "KUIVIENEN" (since Tolkien only switched from K > C pretty late), but would have accepted "KOIVIE-NENI". That... Welsh-German thing of yours is simply nightmarish, but I suppose it'll do.

(It is spelt, as all British schoolchildren know, with a Kicking Kuh, not a Curly Cuh.)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

When was the last time a password was unguessed with three clues to go?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

NOW for the missing 3 letters?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

NOW for the missing 3 letters?

And there it is.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. N - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. W - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

I strongly recommend not worrying about the first letter of #7 though.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Ingwe? As the Head?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Ingwe? As the Head?

Nope. I did say 'yar' was right...

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I didn't solve any of the clues. When they are all solved, am quite happy for another to do the next password.

When was the last time a password was unguessed with three clues to go?*

hS

I did a 3 clue password once.

Actually, I did a one-clue one once as well!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Actually, I did a one-clue one once as well!

Yeah, I remember that! Do you remember when that was, by some chance?


I am befuddled by the Vanyar that are not actually Vanyar but still contain "yar" (which pretty much every Elven classification does, that's no help), so I thought I'd look into T. Rex. Since it's not the dinosaur, it's the band. And wikipedia tells me they had a guy named (Steve) Peregrin Took, which kinda makes it a Tolkien band. What does T rex bang? Percussion instruments, perhaps. Unless there is a specific T rex song that is being referenced here? Aside from Mr. Took, none of the members' names jumped out at me.

[Pervinca Took]

G55, couldn't say when, but I have all the clues and passwords I've ever written saved in one big Word document.

I think Urwen might have done a 2 clue one first, Huinesoron followed mine with 0 clues, then I did minus eleven or something!

My one-cluer was Elvish expletives.

[Urwen]

I figured the 'yar' one out. Turning it on its head doesn't mean reading it backwards. Huey used this trick previously, and there is another name for the Vanyar. Put these two together, and...

Wᴉuʎɐɹ

You get that. And that is the answer.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

What does T rex bang? Percussion instruments, perhaps. Unless there is a specific T rex song that is being referenced here?

It is, and it is, and also you said the full answer somewhere in here.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I think Urwen might have done a 2 clue one first, Huinesoron followed mine with 0 clues, then I did minus eleven or something!

My one-cluer was Elvish expletives.

Oh yes! Mine was... the correct pronunciation of Sauron's name in Mordor, or something? That was a surreal time in the History of the Password Thread (Vol. 3).

Originally Posted by Urwen

I figured the 'yar' one out. Turning it on its head doesn't mean reading it backwards. Huey used this trick previously, and there is another name for the Vanyar. Put these two together, and...

Wᴉuʎɐɹ

You get that. And that is the answer.

Correct! Well done. 'Min' is of course 'minimum', which is the least.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. N - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
WIИ⅄Ɐʁ - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. S - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

Two to go!

hS

[Galadriel55]

Nice one, Urwen! I forgot about that head trick. And did not remember the name. Good one!

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

It is, and it is, and also you said the full answer somewhere in here.

...Song? Which of course comes first of all things Ea?



I was gonna give in to the silliness urge for the other clue, which for thr record, was about siren sounds. A police siren sounds like eeee-oow (in constrast to the weee-ooo-eee-ooo of fire and eew-eew-eew of ambulance) - or at least they do where I live, I dunno if they sound different in other areas of the world. And the silly idea based on that was that the clue went NEW ???. Then I remembered Hui's hint, and thought of ramen as an acceptable synonym for noodles, which gives NENAR. Which, when said in a Brittish accent, might sound like a fire siren. But I'm not positive on the whole siren thing.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

...Song? Which of course comes first of all things Ea?

And is also the first thing Orome heard out of the Quendi.

... and is also what you get when you take GONG (and when I google "T. rex bang", Bang A Gong (Get It On) is the first hit), and apply "the first gnomes start to end" - or in other words, take the first initial letter of Gnomes to appear, and replace it with the last. G > S.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I was gonna give in to the silliness urge for the other clue, which for thr record, was about siren sounds. A police siren sounds like eeee-oow (in constrast to the weee-ooo-eee-ooo of fire and eew-eew-eew of ambulance) - or at least they do where I live, I dunno if they sound different in other areas of the world. And the silly idea based on that was that the clue went NEW ???. Then I remembered Hui's hint, and thought of ramen as an acceptable synonym for noodles, which gives NENAR. Which, when said in a Brittish accent, might sound like a fire siren. But I'm not positive on the whole siren thing.

NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR!

I had a toy police car that did this whenever you pressed the top. My parents hated it. I do not blame them.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
KUIVIENEN - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.

NENAR - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
WIИ⅄Ɐʁ - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.

ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
LUMBAR - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
SONG - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

Theme: The Awakening of the Elves

And thus ends the most star-filled password that wasn't actually about stars.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR-NEE-NAR!

I had a toy police car that did this whenever you pressed the top. My parents hated it. I do not blame them.

They do say that if you really hate someone, you should give their kid a drum. But a police siren works just as well. ^.^

I learned a good many things from that password. I've never heard of the Kicking Kuh and Curly Cuh, but I think it's brilliant. And learned a bit about T rex's music. And, most importantly, discovered that there is a Lumbar in the sky, a fact that amuses me way more than it should.

Also, I propose a game: how would you spell "Cuivienen" if it originated from different languages around the world?

[Pervinca Took]

Do you know, I was sure there was a NENAR, but I was spelling it NENAH, and Google didn't take me to anything helpful.

That was a STUPENDOUSLY good password, if very difficult!

Seriously, does someone worthier want to do the next one? I didn't solve a single clue!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Seriously, does someone worthier want to do the next one? I didn't solve a single clue!

But you solved the evasive password.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

But you solved the evasive password.

I have one almost finished, but my laptop is at home. I'll finish and post it soon.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
2. Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin.
3. An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment?
4. Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
5. Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo.
6. Circular band of something nitrogen-rich?
7. Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems!
8. Garb of Pheriannath.
8. Graces the pages of a hefty tome.
9. Galloper on grass, emblemised?
10. Desired for a lunar tiara?

[Huinesoron]

Well, #5 makes me think of the WHITE GEM Arwen gives to Frodo; I don't think it's specified beyond that. And #10, on general principles, I have to guess as PEARL(s).

Er, and #9 evokes the flag of Rohan. I'm thinking shield? Merry receives a round shield bearing the device of the White Horse, though I can't come up with an actual answer out of that.

Double-er: #2 makes me think of Imrahil, whose emblem was the SILVER SWAN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Radiant belongings or imitations of his epesse, nomenclature-wise.
OCEAN & SWAN: Emblematic of a Gondorian prince and his kin.
3. An offal-like person of the South Kingdom, or his raiment?
4. Arrived together, and the same but for changed direction and slight disorder. (The secret’s in the headgear).
UNDOMIEL'S GIFT: Precious but kind jewellery, for Frodo.
6. Circular band of something nitrogen-rich?
7. Any can be dared for two comedy actresses – they’re priceless gems!
8. Garb of Pheriannath.
8. Graces the pages of a hefty tome.
ROHAN'S FLAG: Galloper on grass, emblemised?
10. Desired for a lunar tiara?

No to 10.

[Galadriel55]

I am a bit at loss, so here are two non-guesses:

4. Helm? Dernhelm? Some other -helm?

6. Nenning, because what else has the same density of N?

[Pervinca Took]

4. Different headgear.

6. Nitrogen is literal, not cryptic.

[Huinesoron]

#8: ...

...

... er, the second #8: could this be the RING INSCRIPTION? I believe this was written out in Isildur's account of his claiming of the Ring, which may have been in a hefty tome.

Another option would be something in the Book of Mazarbul, but the text doesn't describe anything in its pages other than runes/Elvish script, and blood.

Actually, the first #8: didn't Aragorn's hobbit-hunting expedition get cancelled because the short people are garbed in MITHRIL?

Contrary to both of these: the theme so far seems to be around flags and banners, with the three known all being present at the Pelennor. That suggests that the Black Serpent of Harad may be in there somewhere, along with the Eye of Sauron and the disfigured Moon of Morgul. Not that any of the clues seem to me to point at them, but it might spark something for someone.

Continuing this theme: the Dead of Dunharrow have 'pale banners', and Elladan and Elrohir carry a silver one. And I suppose one actual guess:

#8-the-first could be the LIVERY OF THE TOWER, which Pippin wears as a guard.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

You just had me totally confused on the 8's. Sorry. Didn't know I'd done that.

LIVERY OF GONDOR is actually the answer to one of the clues, but not to either of the 8's. Can you guess which one?

No to everything else, I'm afraid.

For the garb clue, you just need a synonym of GARB and a synonym of PHERIANNATH.