TIG CXVII: DEAD Thread: By the Waters of Tarn Aeluin

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Huin

Sorry about Day One, Greenie.

Well, we were planning to vote for you on Day Two, so I'd say we're even. Form, for the record, I think you made the right choice in casting our vote for Sally. I just had a look at what happened after I went to sleep yesterDay and god what a turnaround!

Putting together the information from our tidbits, then. We know that
a) there is at least one wolf among Sally, Morsul, Pitch and Lottie, and
b) there is only one gifted among Sally, Morsul, Pitch, Lottie and Boro.

My first observation from this is that the votes have been concentrated on a surprisingly small number of people. I'm astonished that eg. Legate hasn't been voted for once during the entire game despite all his antics. Also, based on this information, my theory of Lottie as a potential gifted still looks plausible. But this also means that there are TWO gifteds among the ones who haven't been voted for, namely Kath, Legate, Lommy, and Soriman. I was actually wondering on Day 1 whether Legate's comments about being hunter-gatherers was a hint - but I'm also of the school that thinks a Hunter doesn't really benefit from hinting.

I'd like to do a reread of the entire Living Thread today if I have the time, to see if I can make some sense out of all of this. My immediate thought is that it might be time to revisit my Day 1 suspicion of Pitch.

Oh, and last thing we might want to consider - do we want to send out a Ghost? I'm not sure how much insight we have, but then, we do get three Ghost appearances, and the game might not last much longer than three Days now. Technically (read: if I did the maths right), they only need two successful Night kills and the lynch of an innocent toMorrow, and we have ourselves a wolf victory. On the bright side, all three of the gifted are still around too, and with smaller numbers they are arguably more likely to hit their respective targets right.

[Huinesoron]

I think we've only got a Ranger and Seer in this game, haven't we?

The Ghost question: I agree on the maths (and panicked last night when I thought we'd started with 10 and were thus facing a wolf win toNight!). We now have two pieces of information the Living don't, so the questions are: can we accurately convey those, and do we want to?

My instinct is that it should be possible to put together a quote-post for each Tidbit; I'll have a try at it today. But for the other... we have at least one wolf pinned down to, er... half of the village, and we know something about the Gifted, which isn't usually something you want to share.

... just occurring to me now is Thing C that we know:

c) Either Legate, Lommy, Soriman, or Kath is the other Gifted.

And of course the Ghost doesn't have to reveal everything at once. If, say, the Ranger died toNight, and then someone from the same half of the village claimed Seer, the Ghost would know and be able to say that they were a lying Wolf. And with a potential loss toMorrow, a Seer claim wouldn't overly surprise me.

I'm wary of sending one just to convey our theories, though; was it last game that the Dead were just as hilariously wrong as the Living the entire game?

hS

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Huin

I think we've only got a Ranger and Seer in this game, haven't we?

You're right! I have no idea where I got the Hunter from

Originally Posted by huin

I'm wary of sending one just to convey our theories, though; was it last game that the Dead were just as hilariously wrong as the Living the entire game?

Very true, myself included I agree there's a certain risk here, because while the Living know all of us are ordos, they also know we're getting snippets of information from the moddess. So anything not articulated clearly enough could be read as special knowledge even if it's just us making "informed" guesses.

[A Little Green]

I had a read through the game thread, and (surprise) it confused more than clarified things for me. I made some notes, but not sure how much use they'll be until we get toNight's kill (or lack thereof). A few things that stood out:

- Lottie is very concerned about being suspected and/or voted for. I think she's the most likely gifted out of those who've received votes, but as discussed here previously, if someone is killed toNight and it isn't her, I'm going to re-evaluate.

- Lommy and Pitch both voted Huin on both Days while insisting (Pitch on both Days, Lommy on D2) that they'd have preferred to go for someone else. Both also ended yesterDay with lots of questionmarks, expletives, and random strings of consonants. Possibly too brazen if they're both wolves, but this epic show of "look how innocent and clueless I am" makes me think at least one of them is a wolf.

- Speaking of Lommy, a lot of people seemed to be kind of soft-suspecting her but not doing much about it - including at least Sally, Lottie, Pitch, and Morsul.

- Kath is voting very safely (Morsul on D1, Sally on D2).

- Boro is creepy.

- Sally is visibly buddying up to both Boro and Pitch; Boro reciprocates. She also has that weird post I quoted earlier in this thread that looks like she already knew Huin was innocent. + She talks about having a good read on Pitch based on them being wolves together last game, which would again be pretty brazen if they were wolves together in this game.

Overall, I'd say our wolves could be
- one of Sally or Pitch, but probably not both
- one of Lommy and Pitch, but probably not both
- Boro for general creepiness, or Kath for keeping her nose clean? Or both?

[Huinesoron]

I'll look over what you've just posted later, Greenie, but first I want to muck about with quotes. ^_^ I've been putting together a Spectral Lexicon, starting with how to say where the information comes from, and then trying to find ways to point at specific people.

I've limited myself to the "published Legendarium fiction" texts: Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales. The rules don't actually require this! We could quote from the Letters if we wanted, though I'm not sure how much help it would be.

Citing the Mods:

Originally Posted by Silm: Ainulindale

And it came to pass that Ilúvatar called together all the Ainur and declared to them a mighty theme, unfolding to them things greater and more wonderful than he had yet revealed; and the glory of its beginning and the splendour of its end amazed the Ainur, so that they bowed before Ilúvatar and were silent.

Citing the Seer:

Originally Posted by RotK: The Passing of the Grey Company

‘And what may be the words of the seer?’ said Legolas.

Citing 'this is just our belief':

Originally Posted by FotR: The Shadow of the Past

But at last I can carry on the story, I think.

Five of the survivors are pretty easy to indicate:

Boro:

Originally Posted by FotR: The Council of Elrond

`Here,' said Elrond, turning to Gandalf, `is Boromir, a man from the South.

Legate:

Originally Posted by UT: The Disaster of the Gladden Fields (footnote)

Amon Lanc, "Naked Hill," was the highest point in the highland at the south-west corner of the Greenwood, and was so called because no trees grew on its summit.

Soriman:

Originally Posted by FotR: The Council of Elrond

And I would ask this also. What of Saruman?

Pitch:

Originally Posted by Hobbit: Flies and Spiders

It then became pitch-dark—not what you call pitch-dark, but really pitch: so black that you really could see nothing.

Morsul:

Originally Posted by Hobbit: Riddles in the Dark

I guess it’s a choice feast; at least a tasty morsel it’d make us, gollum!

The other four I think can only be easily clued when it's obvious we're clueing names:

Sally:

Originally Posted by FoG: The Tale of the Fall of Gondolin

Thither too fared Salgant atremble at the tidings, and other nobles beside of less blood but better heart.

Kath:

Originally Posted by FotR: A Journey in the Dark

He is surer of finding the way home in a blind night than the cats of Queen Berúthiel.

Lottie:

Originally Posted by Hobbit: Roast Mutton

“Yes, lots,” said Bilbo, before he remembered not to give his friends away.

Lommy:

Originally Posted by Silm: Of Turin Turambar

As thralls thy mother and thy sister live in Dor-lómin, in misery and want.

(I wanted to use 'Lomion', but the only Silm quote is a huge sentence.)

And some possible actually-informative lines.

There is one wolf in this group/this person is a wolf:

Originally Posted by FotR: A Journey in the Dark

At a gap in the circle a great dark wolf-shape could be seen halted, gazing at them.

There are multiple wolves in this group:

Originally Posted by RotK: The Siege of Gondor

More than one host may issue from it, and strike for more than one passage.

This person is innocent:

Originally Posted by UT: The History of Galadriel and Celeborn

Thus the Dwarves of Moria may be presumed to have been innocent of the ruin of Doriath and not hostile to the Elves.

I'd appreciate a Mod nudge if any of these would be unacceptable for some reason.

hS

[Galadriel55]

1. There is definitely no Hunter in this game. I did not screw up that badly.

2. Hui, those quotes look fine. I can't see a reason why they would not be allowed.

3. How did I know that you'd be the one doing this, if you ever ended up in the DT?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Fair.

In my defence, I only remembered THAT you had asked, not on which thread, and it was the fact of asking that stuck out to me.

That's fair. No problem then.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

3. How did I know that you'd be the one doing this, if you ever ended up in the DT?

Yeah, I'm very in-character here.

Unfortunately I also have a splitting headache and am already exhausted, so please don't make me a ghost, gang. (Honestly this close to my death I'd probably be tempted to troll them all day long anyway...)

Thinking now about my judicial murder yesterday: the wolves know that they will likely be at 3:5 today. If they can get one ordo to vote with them, that gets them a tie, and probably the game. So: could Boro be innocent, and two of Pitch, Lommy, and Legate wolves, banking on Boro being so convinced of the obviousness of my guilt that he won't think anything of their agreeing with it?

Generally, I agree with Greenie. ^_^ I'm sorry, I'm not being much use toNight, but I was up really late yesterDay.

I think sending a Ghost might be good - not necessarily to try and pass stuff on immediately, but to be there for reactions. I'm happy for either of you to return .

hS