TIG CXVII: GAME Thread:

[Morsul the Dark]

Boro my only concern is FormerForm’s confirmation comes after your post and mine.

The question is if it’s confirming your interpretation or my vote.

[Morsul the Dark]

It goes
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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Both quotes from Form!Ghost were talking about "before aught else was made" and "the First Day" So this is information about Day 1. "Those we have measured"...those who received votes on Day 1? So at least 1 wolf received a vote on Day 1.

Actually 6 people received a vote on Day 1.

Morsul
Pitch
Huey
Greenie
Sally
Lottie

But Greenie was the Day 1 lynch, so of the 5 others. At least 1 is a wolf. Huey, Lottie are now killed after Day 1. Leaving at least 1 wolf among

Morsul
Sally
Pitch

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

That’s probably a better interpretation. Mine would’ve been too easy.

So we’re thinking Sally or Pitch yes me too but I’m innocent. I really think this information taken with the strong possibility Form was killed as a seer...

I’ll take the plunge.

[highlight]++Sally[/highli]

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FormerForm I think,' answered Frodo slowly, 'that it was a good guess, as far as it goes.

It’s notable Sally is in both interpretations. And while I like yours, Boro are we sure FormerForm isn’t endorsing my vote I even react to it in 256

[Pitchwife]

Awlright I completely overlooked Formerdacil's #287. Suppose that settles it, and Boro was right.

[Soriman the Whide]

Alright my vote for Lottie I think proves my innocence, I know it was a stange thing to switch my vote to Lottie over Huin. I thought that Huin was likely a wolf and if he was a wolf then lottie must be one too (sorry lottie my bad) and I felt like Huin was a stronger player to have as an ally if I was wrong.


My vote has to prove my innocence as why would a wolf waste a vote against Lottie if they planned to attack in the night?

I am very unsure of Legate and Boro and feel a bit lost on who to trust at this point. I'll be lurking for a while.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Alright my vote for Lottie I think proves my innocence, I know it was a stange thing to switch my vote to Lottie over Huin. I thought that Huin was likely a wolf and if he was a wolf then lottie must be one too (sorry lottie my bad) and I felt like Huin was a stronger player to have as an ally if I was wrong.


My vote has to prove my innocence as why would a wolf waste a vote against Lottie if they planned to attack in the night.

Because you voted pretty early and if you were successful in railroading her, you wouldn’t need to nightkill her.

I’m known for hard to follow logic but this defense is far beyond me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Alright my vote for Lottie I think proves my innocence, I know it was a stange thing to switch my vote to Lottie over Huin. I thought that Huin was likely a wolf and if he was a wolf then lottie must be one too (sorry lottie my bad) and I felt like Huin was a stronger player to have as an ally if I was wrong.


My vote has to prove my innocence as why would a wolf waste a vote against Lottie if they planned to attack in the night?

I am very unsure of Legate and Boro and feel a bit lost on who to trust at this point. I'll be lurking for a while.

Agreed, this doesn't make any sense.

Here and reading.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Boro my only concern is FormerForm’s confirmation comes after your post and mine.

The question is if it’s confirming your interpretation or my vote.

I believe that has been answered, by FormerForm in #287

Ok, I'm going to have to start being a good guest, because people expect it of you on your birthday, but I'm also concerned with this eerie quiet. I think we have to make use of Form only being here for one day and there's still a message to decipher.

Seeing as we can ask him questions still and I'm stuck on the entire message, let's try to solve it one quote at a time.

Ghost!Form is your message in Post 276 referring to information the innocent dead have learned about Day 2 voting?

My thinking here is if you were referring to Day 1's voting you would have used the same quotes that you used in the first message. And in your 2nd quote "elected" appears again.

[Kath]

This will be kind of train-of-thought, sorry.

Lommy - post 24 has Morsul as suspicious for their reaction to Hui, and Hui as suspicious for being Hui. Non-committal really. Suggests a Pitch+Legate/Hui pack due to Pitch's meta-argument about prior games. Post 47 mentions everyone, leaves everyone undecided, except maybe Pitch and Lottie with a little bit stronger suspicion. Post 49 her suspicion list has Form, Hui, Lottie, Pitch. If Lommy were a wolf, I'd be looking at Pitch as a fellow as the other three are all dead and proven innocent.

Suspicion of Lottie stays consistent into Day 2. Thinks she is letting sally off the hook, then suggests a Lottie/sally/Hui pack. If Lommy is a wolf, good way to bury a fellow between two now known to be innocents. Thinks it unlikely in post 136 that Form was killed for potential Seerishness, but if he was it either speaks to Hui's innocence or sally's guilt. In post 181 in essence 'clears' Hui, Legate, Boro, Morsul, Lottie, sally and then suspicious of me for 'easy' votes. Wants to vote me or Pitch, but would go for sally. Feel like we hadn't had a mention of Pitch for a while there, and that she's finding a way to avoid a vote for sally without avoiding a vote for sally. In post 196 mentions she would have been worried if Lottie had reached 2 votes first - quite a swing from the earlier quite high level suspicion.

In post 266 says she felt confident of Lottie's innocence. She did flip into this from post 181. Comes out gunning for Boro for orchestrating the Hui lynch, I'd like an explanation of what she means by that, given by her own admission she decided Hui was innocent based on her analysis of Form and then voted Hui anyway. Also suspicious of Morsul for voting early. Analyses Lottie's death and comes out with Pitch, sally, Morsul as possible suspects - which matches GhostForm's hinting if we've read that right.
Votes:
Hui (puts Hui into the lead with 2 votes)
Hui (makes a third tie at 2 people, others were sally and Lottie)


Pitch - post 27 no opinion on Morsul, Form, Lottie, sally. Feels good on Greenie and Boro. Some suspicion of Hui (pokey mode), Lommy (non-engagement) and then Legate (forgetting his last game). Suspicious further of Lommy in post 38 for having vague suspicions of two people who could easily become bandwagons. Decides Hui/Morsul both innocent. Questions my reasoning about the same debate. In post 54 happy with Boro, names a possible wolf pack made up of Hui, Lommy, Lottie, Kath. So almost returning the favour on Lommy. Can't decide if that makes them more or less likely to be fellows as it stands out a bit on a re-read, but then I suppose only because of the knowledge we now have. I don't know whether post 98 speaks in his favour in hindsight - choosing between Greenie and Hui, both of whom he'd largely considered innocent through the Day. Not really any benefit to a Pitchwolf pushing for one over the other, and if a wolf would have known it made no difference, but then, it made no difference, so a Pitchwolf could have gone either way anyway.

Pointed out Lottie's inconsistent voting plans in post 142 and questioned her on it. Suggests there is a wolf in Boro, Kath, Legate, Lommy, Sori. As this is half the village, it's hardly much of a stretch to think he's right! Out of those, has Kath (for focus on sally) and Legate (for suggesting not lynching someone he finds suspicious) as possibilities for voting. Would have been willing to vote Kath, Legate, Boro, Hui.

Suggests GhostForm's comments may actually have meant the people who didn't get a vote, similar to his argument yesterDay. Then says he's wrong given GhostForm's seeming to confirm Boro's version is right. If so, how does Pitch now feel about the Pitch/sally/Morsul potential choice? Ah, suspicious of Morsul in post 303.
Votes:
Hui (last, and made no difference to the lynch)
Hui (already ahead and sealed his fate, so no impact again)


Legate - post 16 points out Hui and Greenie for focusing in on Boro and pointless day 1s. It is worth noting that they were the only two to have really said anything about another person at all at this point. Then continues to focus on them in post 26, keeping up the idea that Greenie was rewording the suspicions of others for herself, and that Hui was overfocused on Boro and day 1s. Suggested a Hui/Boro pairing. Ends up suspicious of Greenie, Hui and Pitch overall in post 57. Interestingly names Pitch as Cobbler, which I know we'd thrown around during the Day a couple of times but we knew there wasn't one so if this was really how Legate was feeling about Pitch I'm surprised that didn't go anywhere.

Vote analysis in post 124 suggested Lommy, Hui, Pitch and Boro as having possibly suspicious votes. Post 137 seems to sum up to Hui and Lottie being worrisome based on their posting, and then Boro for his antics. Then backtracks on Hui due to their latest post. In post 168 thinks one of Pitch/Lottie likely to be a wolf and suggests Pitch the more likely candidate. Now we know it isn't Lottie, how do you feel about Pitch? Worried about Soriman's vote which was rather oddly reasoned. Has Pitch, Boro then maybe Hui as lynch options.
Votes:
Greenie (first vote for her 5 people in)
Hui (puts them into the lead)

Hmmm - I don't know. I think I'm being drawn into seeing a sally/Lommy/Pitch pack. sally I think is a wolf regardless of the other two, and Lommy/Pitch seemed to coincide a fair bit when I was reading through. I think that I started off with a feeling that Lommy was suspicious though (perhaps because I think sally is a wolf, and Lommy seems to be quite diligently trying to avoid making a decision there) so that may have coloured my opinions. With that said, Pitch has a voting record that is both squeaky clean and damning at the same time, and Lommy brought Hui in as a third candidate on Day 2. But then Legate really had the strongest effect on the Hui lynch there and did cross post with Lommy.

I don't know. But sally/Lommy/Pitch is where I'm at currently.

[Soriman the Whide]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Because you voted pretty early and if you were successful in railroading her, you wouldn’t need to nightkill her.

I’m known for hard to follow logic but this defense is far beyond me.

Wolves are likely to vote together to ensure someone they choose dies, Lottie did not die but there were two votes for our ranger Sally and myself.
I suppose this falls apart if you think the wolves would've wanted Huin over Sally.



Anyway yes I admit a slightly tongue in cheek defence could be picked apart but you gotta believe me!


Anyway Morsul I like your idea to vote togeter and play the percentages. It's our best strategy in this position.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Wolves are likely to vote together to ensure someone they choose dies, Lottie did not die but there were two votes for our ranger Sally and myself.

Exactly. Two early votes just couldn’t get the village to bite.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Anyway Morsul I like your idea to vote togeter and play the percentages. It's our best strategy in this position.

Okay, I'm willing to cut Sori a lot of slack, this being their first game and all, but this is bovine faeces. Suppose for a moment you could get all of the village to agree on one person to vote, which is about as likely to happen as daisies in Mordor (for one thing, nobody's going to vote themselves. The wolves will happily agree to vote anybody who isn't one of the pack. Suppose we go through with Morsul's plan and everybody piles on his vote for sally, then if she's innocent, game over, wolf victory. How is this our best strategy in this position?
To be clear, I'm more suspicious of Morsul for suggesting such a thing in the first place than of a newbie for agreeing with it.