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Huinesoron · 07-28-2021, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

And over to you.

Phew! Because I'd never even heard of him and only ran into him when going through the various answers' pages to see if there were any clues.

Okay, difficulty level might be a bit patchwork on this, you know how it goes:

1. - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
2. - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
6. - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

At least some answers are not using the first letter, and the clues say as much.

hS

Urwen · 07-28-2021, 07:09 AM

2. Tar-Calion?

Urwen · 07-28-2021, 07:12 AM

6. Elrohir? (HIRE+ROL(L))

Urwen · 07-28-2021, 07:13 AM

7. Feanor (Fear+no)?

Huinesoron · 07-28-2021, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

2. Tar-Calion?

I mean, it fits him, but no.

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Originally Posted by Urwen

6. Elrohir? (HIRE+ROL(L))

Correct! And good, because that was the last one I managed to write, and I didn't like it.

1. - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
2. - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

Urwen · 07-28-2021, 07:17 AM

Hmmm...2 could refer to Wormtail...

And is Feanor incorrect too?

Huinesoron · 07-28-2021, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Hmmm...2 could refer to Wormtail...

No, it doesn't, but that's funny.

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Originally Posted by Urwen

And is Feanor incorrect too?

I think that one was posted right as I was writing the post; I tend to respond to every guess, so if I've not said anything I probably haven't gotten to it yet.

Anyway, FEANOR is very close but not quite right on #7.

hS

Urwen · 07-28-2021, 10:51 AM

So then 2 is either Tar-Telperien or Tar-Telemmaite. Or possibly Tarannon...

Huinesoron · 07-28-2021, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

So then 2 is either Tar-Telperien or Tar-Telemmaite. Or possibly Tarannon...

It is not, though it seems like you've got two of the three elements. It doesn't start with Tar.

hS

Urwen · 07-28-2021, 11:38 AM

Telcontar (TEL+CON+TAR)

Huinesoron · 07-28-2021, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Telcontar (TEL+CON+TAR)

Correct! Lots of 'back' in that clue...

1. - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

Urwen · 07-28-2021, 11:53 AM

1 is Arwen, and 3 is Elros, somehow.

Pervinca Took · 07-28-2021, 03:43 PM

1. SILMARIEN.

Most of 'lies' backwards and almost (Maid) Marion.

Elder sister of a king and the foremother of Elendil, I think?

Huinesoron · 07-29-2021, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

1 is Arwen, and 3 is Elros, somehow.

They are not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

1. SILMARIEN.

Most of 'lies' backwards and almost (Maid) Marion.

Elder sister of a king and the foremother of Elendil, I think?

But she is.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first.
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too.
3. - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings.
4. - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half.
7. - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

Urwen · 07-29-2021, 03:16 AM

Who else could be father of Kings?

Possible candidates:
Finwe (doesn't contain EL)
Turgon (doesn't contain EL unless you used Elenwe's husband again)
Huor (doesn't contain EL)
Elendil (the rest of the clue doesn't fit)

Urwen · 07-29-2021, 03:22 AM

4. The clues suggest Russandol...

Huinesoron · 07-29-2021, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Who else could be father of Kings?

Possible candidates:
Finwe (doesn't contain EL)
Turgon (doesn't contain EL unless you used Elenwe's husband again)
Huor (doesn't contain EL)
Elendil (the rest of the clue doesn't fit)

None of these. The answer is an alternate name for the father of a line of kings, and does indeed contain EL (but not as an Elvish element).

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Originally Posted by Urwen

4. The clues suggest Russandol...

They may well, but it's nowhere near the answer.

hS

Urwen · 07-29-2021, 10:03 AM

Rus+dot???

Huinesoron · 07-29-2021, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Rus+dot???

Not the correct abbreviation of Russian, and dot is not relevant to the answer.

hS

Urwen · 07-29-2021, 10:22 AM

3. Earendil? Or Earendel?

Urwen · 07-29-2021, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Not the correct abbreviation of Russian, and dot is not relevant to the answer.

hS

RU, then?

Huinesoron · 07-29-2021, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

3. Earendil? Or Earendel?

Correct person, but wrong name.

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Originally Posted by Urwen

RU, then?

Yep.

hS

Urwen · 07-29-2021, 11:25 AM

Aerendil? Aerennel?

Pervinca Took · 07-29-2021, 03:55 PM

3. Az-rub-el.

Urwen · 07-29-2021, 05:34 PM

Ru+in backwards = runi...

Pervinca Took · 07-29-2021, 11:37 PM

Password: STARBROW?

Huinesoron · 07-30-2021, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

3. Az-rub-el.

That's 'im!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Ru+in backwards = runi...

I do not know where you've got 'in backwards' from, but it's not part of the answer.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Password: STARBROW?

Correct.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
4. R - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. B - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
7. O - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection.
8. W - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

Urwen · 07-30-2021, 03:19 AM

Oh, it doesn't say 'in back', it says 'at back'.

So it's RU+something+TA, which is AT backwards...

Huinesoron · 07-30-2021, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Oh, it doesn't say 'in back', it says 'at back'.

So it's RU+something+TA, which is AT backwards...

It doesn't say that either; it says "at the back", which in this case indicates "use the last letter".

EDIT: Nor is that the start of the clue...

hS

Urwen · 07-30-2021, 04:03 AM

Well, then you changed the meaning of 'at the back' clue since last time you've used it. >.>

Huinesoron · 07-30-2021, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, then you changed the meaning of 'at the back' clue since last time you've used it. >.>

Er, yes, quite possibly. I make these things up as I go along; a given part of a clue will have different meanings depending on the context. If something doesn't work one way, try interpreting it a different way.

I will also note, relevant to several clues, that punctuation marks are almost always irrelevant to the clue. Sometimes they even break up a single part of the clue, as in #2 "back - let".

hS

Urwen · 07-30-2021, 05:28 AM

7. Feanaro, then?

Huinesoron · 07-30-2021, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

7. Feanaro, then?

Dat's der birdie.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
4. R - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
5. B - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway.
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
FEANARO - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection. - ...at great feasts Fëanor would wear them, blazing on his brow...
8. W - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh?

hS

Urwen · 07-30-2021, 12:10 PM

The rest are too difficult, so I'll leave them to Pervinca.

Pervinca Took · 07-30-2021, 03:26 PM

The only other person I remember having a star upon her brows is Nimrodel. And she doesn't seem to fit anywhere.

Pervinca Took · 07-30-2021, 03:39 PM

Is 8 ARWEN, with the W in the middle? She's the Evening/Evenstar of her people.

Oh ... 'are when' ... not sure about 'forget,' though.

Pervinca Took · 07-30-2021, 03:42 PM

Is 5 BAUGLIR (bow glare) and a reference to the Iron Crown?

Galadriel55 · 07-31-2021, 08:04 AM

I feel like my only thought so far is that a tall game of removal sounds like Jenga. Jengaru, anyone?

Huinesoron · 08-01-2021, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

The only other person I remember having a star upon her brows is Nimrodel. And she doesn't seem to fit anywhere.

She's not in there, which is a shame because I really wanted her to be. Hilariously, while grabbing one of the quotes for the completed clues I found yet another starbrow, who... still wouldn't have been useful. XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is 8 ARWEN, with the W in the middle? She's the Evening/Evenstar of her people.

Oh ... 'are when' ... not sure about 'forget,' though.

AREWHEN, but forget EH...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is 5 BAUGLIR (bow glare) and a reference to the Iron Crown?

Entirely correct!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I feel like my only thought so far is that a tall game of removal sounds like Jenga. Jengaru, anyone?

The game of removal is not tall.

So this last clue is a combination of three cryptic parts, to give a secondary name of one character.

SILMARIEN - An older sister, almost a maid, lies nearly backward at first. - ...the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien...
TELCONTAR - The king is back - let a criminal rat be back too. - ...before all went Aragorn... and upon his brow was the Star of Elendil.
AZRUBEL - From beginning to end, a massage from the midst of Hell for the father of kings. - ...Eärendil... stood now most often at the prow of Vingilot, and the Silmaril was bound upon his brow...
4. R - The tall game of removal: a short Russian holds the three of diamonds (fake) at the back.
BAUGLIR - Look northward, bow, glare - or something like that, anyway. - ...the Silmarils in the crown on Morgoth's head blazed forth suddenly with a radiance of white flame...
ELROHIR - Break a hire around a torn and shortened roll, end up younger by half. - ...and Elladan and Elrohir with stars on their brow...
FEANARO - Turn tail, jeweller! Fear the doubled vowel with no injection. - ...at great feasts Fëanor would wear them, blazing on his brow...
ARWEN - In the middle of the evening, they are when you forget, eh? - ...Arwen... glimmering in the evening, with stars on her brow and a sweet fragrance about her...

hS

Pervinca Took · 08-02-2021, 04:38 PM

Maybe 'the tall' means a character referred to as 'the Tall,' like Elendil.

Wasn't TUOR uncommonly tall?

It's not a secondary name, though.

07-28-2021, 07:09 AM	#11482
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	2. Tar-Calion? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-28-2021, 07:12 AM	#11483
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	6. Elrohir? (HIRE+ROL(L)) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-28-2021, 07:13 AM	#11484
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	7. Feanor (Fear+no)? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-28-2021, 07:17 AM	#11486
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Hmmm...2 could refer to Wormtail... And is Feanor incorrect too? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-28-2021, 10:51 AM	#11488
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	So then 2 is either Tar-Telperien or Tar-Telemmaite. Or possibly Tarannon... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-28-2021, 11:38 AM	#11490
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Telcontar (TEL+CON+TAR) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-28-2021, 11:53 AM	#11492
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	1 is Arwen, and 3 is Elros, somehow. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-28-2021, 03:43 PM	#11493
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	1. SILMARIEN. Most of 'lies' backwards and almost (Maid) Marion. Elder sister of a king and the foremother of Elendil, I think? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-29-2021, 03:16 AM	#11495
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Who else could be father of Kings? Possible candidates: Finwe (doesn't contain EL) Turgon (doesn't contain EL unless you used Elenwe's husband again) Huor (doesn't contain EL) Elendil (the rest of the clue doesn't fit) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-29-2021, 03:22 AM	#11496
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	4. The clues suggest Russandol... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-29-2021, 10:03 AM	#11498
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Rus+dot??? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-29-2021, 10:22 AM	#11500
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	3. Earendil? Or Earendel? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-29-2021, 11:25 AM	#11503
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Aerendil? Aerennel? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-29-2021, 03:55 PM	#11504
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	3. Az-rub-el. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-29-2021, 05:34 PM	#11505
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Ru+in backwards = runi... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-29-2021, 11:37 PM	#11506
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Password: STARBROW? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-30-2021, 03:19 AM	#11508
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Oh, it doesn't say 'in back', it says 'at back'. So it's RU+something+TA, which is AT backwards... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-30-2021, 04:03 AM	#11510
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, then you changed the meaning of 'at the back' clue since last time you've used it. >.> __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-30-2021, 05:28 AM	#11512
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	7. Feanaro, then? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-30-2021, 12:10 PM	#11514
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	The rest are too difficult, so I'll leave them to Pervinca. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-30-2021, 03:26 PM	#11515
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	The only other person I remember having a star upon her brows is Nimrodel. And she doesn't seem to fit anywhere. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-30-2021, 03:39 PM	#11516
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Is 8 ARWEN, with the W in the middle? She's the Evening/Evenstar of her people. Oh ... 'are when' ... not sure about 'forget,' though. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-30-2021, 03:42 PM	#11517
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Is 5 BAUGLIR (bow glare) and a reference to the Iron Crown? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-31-2021, 08:04 AM	#11518
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	I feel like my only thought so far is that a tall game of removal sounds like Jenga. Jengaru, anyone? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-02-2021, 04:38 PM	#11520
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Maybe 'the tall' means a character referred to as 'the Tall,' like Elendil. Wasn't TUOR uncommonly tall? It's not a secondary name, though. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

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