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Old 10-05-2023, 12:40 AM   #1
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It was left out not by any contradiction, but rather becaus we used The Grey Annalas as main source for our text, which includes this two passages (so far apart):
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... They reaped not the reward that Morgoth promised them, for Maglor slew Uldor the Accursed, the leader in treason, and Bor and his sons slew Ulfast and Ulwarth ere they themselves were slain. ...
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NA-TI-04.8 <GA; §241 Great indeed now was the triumph of Morgoth; and his design was accomplished in a manner after his own heart; for Men took the lives of Men, and betrayed the Eldar, and fear and hatred were aroused among those that should have been united against him. From that day indeed began the estrangement of Elves from Men, save only from those of the Three Houses of Bëor, Hador, and Haleth, and their children.
The March of {Maidros}[Maedros] was no more. ...
The only additional information from QS is that Bor's children left no heirs. But it is an information I think we should include. So I would place it thus, even so that is a bit of repetition (which I think is okay in recapitulation of the outcome of the battle):
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NA-TI-04.8 <GA; §241 Great indeed now was the triumph of Morgoth; and his design was accomplished in a manner after his own heart; for Men took the lives of Men, and betrayed the Eldar, and fear and hatred were aroused among those that should have been united against him. From that day indeed began the estrangement of Elves from Men, save only from those of the Three Houses of Bëor, Hador, and Haleth, and their children{.}NA-EX-22.4<QS{From that day the hearts of the Elves were estranged from Men, save only from those of the Three Houses, the peoples of Hador, and Bëor, and Haleth}; for the sons of Bór, {Boromir}[Borlach], {Borlas}[Borlad], and {Borthandos}[Borthand], who alone among the Easterlings proved true at need, all perished in that battle, and they left no heirs.>
The March of {Maidros}[Maedros] was no more. ...
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Old 10-05-2023, 07:30 AM   #2
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The only additional information from QS is that Bor's children left no heirs.
I also think "who alone among the Easterlings proved true at need" is a unique piece of information, even if it can be inferred by the action earlier described. This sentence serves as a final statement on the actions of Men in that battle, and I think it's important to include the sons of Bor explicitly in the list of those who "proved true at need."

Repetition isn't necessarily a bad thing, quite the contrary, when placed far enough apart, it reinforces what is important, not just to the reader but to the sub-creator.

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Old 10-06-2023, 01:42 AM   #3
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NA-EX-22.4: I think we are in agreement in this case.

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Old 10-17-2024, 06:31 AM   #4
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Is there a place here for the newly published rhyming couplet of the CoH (from 1931/2)?

It goes quite in depth in regards to Hurin's final stand - here's a portion of it, since I'm unsure of posting the whole thing here (it's 171 lines long):

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Thus Húrin lord of Hithlum fought.
His brother Huor pierced to heart
there fell before a venomed dart
his men were reaped like ripened wheat
and trampled under ruthless feet;
but none gave way, till alone he stood
between the desert and the wood,
and cast his broken shield away.
His thirty thanes about him lay,
his banner sewn with leaves of trees
was torn from shaft, and to his knees
he seven times was beaten low,
and seven times against the foe
he rose renewed, and clove a path
two-handed like a scyther’s swath
through thronging ranks of bending grass:
not yet could Morgoth’s servants pass.
Behind him was a narrow way
between the hills that southward lay,
and thither Turgon made retreat
to the vales of Sirion the fleet,
and saved the last of Finwë’s folk.
In the green shadows of the oak,
and up beneath the pinewoods dim,
and over mountain passes grim
he vanished from the darkened land
and passed into Beleriand,
and never after search nor tale,
nor any spy by hill or dale,
found ever echo of their feet.
Thus Húrin guarded their retreat,
and ever songs of elves him praise,
his name has sounded down the days
uncounted; for he kept his troth,
for death nor torment broke his oath
and death in the mouth of hell defied
and saved a remnant of the pride
and glory of the elves, that yet
a hope of vengeance, and a threat
lurked in the shadows unexplored,
a dream unquiet, a hanging sword.
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Hige sceal þē heardra, heorte þē cēnre,
mōd sceal þē māre, þē ūre mægen lytlað.
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Old 10-29-2024, 01:38 PM   #5
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I think yes. It can not go in unchanged, but that does not mean it shouldn't be used at all. E.g. the dart killing Huor does later pierce his eye and not his haert.

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