Frodo or the Ring? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Saulotus · 01-03-2001, 06:35 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Hmm. . .

True. But the question here is the ring and who\what spoke. Frodo still retained enough sense to hold back against striking out at Sam earlier.

Just prior to the ring incident that is being discussed, Frodo claims that he can no longer stop his own hands from grasping the ring.

Since quotes are used I suppose one wouldn't hurt here:
J.R.R. Tolkien
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Gollum and Frodo were locked together. Gollum was tearing at his master, trying to get at the chain and the Ring. This was probably the only thing that could have roused the dying embers of Frodo's heart and will: an attack, an attempt to wrest his treasure from him by force. He fought back with a sudden fury that amazed Sam, and Gollum also. >>Even so<< things might have gone far otherwise, if Gollum himself had remained unchanged...<hr></blockquote>
Then the contested situation regarding the Ring while grasping it (from which AFAIK he never again relinquishes it's touch until it's endgame with Gollum).

After the terrible words of Doom? Frodo is left gasping for breath, hand still on the ring. If it was the struggle that left him gasping, then how could he utter such powerful (read; commanding) words without aid? From the sound of the previous section, it's quite out of character for his physical condition as the 'Even so' attests to (and this was in full possessive fury). Face it, without calling upon some portion of the Ring, Frodo was toast.

As I said; it is at this point that Frodo truly lost, as he claimed the Ring finally in his heart, and made the claim openly inside Mt. Doom.
Gollum is his intended(?) redeemer.

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01-03-2001, 06:35 PM	#11
Saulotus Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 346	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 338</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Hmm. . . True. But the question here is the ring and who\what spoke. Frodo still retained enough sense to hold back against striking out at Sam earlier. Just prior to the ring incident that is being discussed, Frodo claims that he can no longer stop his own hands from grasping the ring. Since quotes are used I suppose one wouldn't hurt here: J.R.R. Tolkien <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> Gollum and Frodo were locked together. Gollum was tearing at his master, trying to get at the chain and the Ring. This was probably the only thing that could have roused the dying embers of Frodo's heart and will: an attack, an attempt to wrest his treasure from him by force. He fought back with a sudden fury that amazed Sam, and Gollum also. >>Even so<< things might have gone far otherwise, if Gollum himself had remained unchanged...<hr></blockquote> Then the contested situation regarding the Ring while grasping it (from which AFAIK he never again relinquishes it's touch until it's endgame with Gollum). After the terrible words of Doom?* Frodo is left gasping for breath, hand still on the ring. If it was the struggle that left him gasping, then how could he utter such powerful (read; commanding) words without aid? From the sound of the previous section, it's quite out of character for his physical condition as the 'Even so' attests to (and this was in full possessive fury). Face it, without calling upon some portion of the Ring, Frodo was toast. As I said; it is at this point that Frodo truly lost, as he claimed the Ring finally in his heart, and made the claim openly inside Mt. Doom. Gollum is his intended(?) redeemer. </p>