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Joy · 09-21-2002, 10:41 AM

Yes it is, though that part of the Lay is in the Silmarillion.

Your turn.

Glorfinniel the Lost · 09-23-2002, 12:21 AM

Who says this, and to whom?

"Then whither go ye, boatmen fair, down the river gliding? To twilight and to secret lair in the great forest hiding? To Northern isles and shores of stone on strong swans flying, by cold waves to dwell alone with the white gulls crying?"

merlilot · 09-23-2002, 06:34 PM

Is that part of the song that Aragorn and Legolas sing when they send Boromir down the River?

Joy · 09-23-2002, 07:39 PM

It sounds like something from UT, though I have only read part of it.

It reminds me of the compainions of Eärendil that accompianied him to Valinor when he sought the aid of the Valar for Middle Earth. I just wish that I could remember their names.

Edit:::: Just did a little search - [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

It is part of the Last Ship from the Tolkien Reader. It is Firiel's Song as the Elves seeking Elvenhome.

Quote:

Nay!' they answered. 'Far away
on the last road faring,
leaving western havens grey,
the seas of shadow daring,
we go back to Elvenhome,
where the White Tree is growing,
and the Star shines upon the foam
on the last shore flowing.

'To mortal fields say farewell,
Middle-earth forsaking!
In Elvenhome a clear bell
in the high tower is shaking.
Here grass fades and leaves fall,
and sun and moon wither,
and we have heard the far call
that bids us journey thither'.

[ September 23, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

Glorfinniel the Lost · 09-25-2002, 02:04 AM

Right you are Joy! I was hoping no one had read the poem but anyway, your turn. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Joy · 09-29-2002, 01:11 PM

Okay - where is this from and who is it concerning??

"Wilt thou leran the lore that was long secret"

Glorfinniel the Lost · 10-01-2002, 01:48 AM

Pure luck I read this chapter earlier [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Anyway, this is part of a poem from the chapter entitled "The Istari" from Unfinished Tales and concerns The Istari and Manwë and Varda's concerns about the future of ME.

HerenIstarion · 10-01-2002, 03:26 AM

forgive me if I meddle in your affairs [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img], but, since I deem Glorifinniel is right, I'll post the verse in full (I like it much):

Will thou learn the lore /that was long secret
of the Five that came
/ from a far country?
One only returned.
/ Others never again
under Men's dominion
/ Middle-earth shall seek
until Dagor Dagorath
/ and the Doom cometh.
How hast thou heard it:
/ the hidden counsel
of the Lord of the West
/ in the land of Aman?
The long roads are lost
/ that led thither,
and to mortal Men
/ Manwë speaks not.
From the West–that–was
/ a wind bore it
to the sleeper's ear,
/ in the silences
under night-shadow,
/ when news is brought
from lands forgotten
/ and lost ages
over seas of years
/ to the searching thought.
Not all are forgotten
/ by the Elder King.
Sauron he saw
/ at a slow menace ....

Joy · 10-01-2002, 10:37 AM

Muy Bueno, Glorfiniel and HI!

merlilot · 10-01-2002, 03:14 PM

I don't think that will do much good if they are not Spanish (which I doubt).

Glorfinniel the Lost · 10-05-2002, 04:55 AM

I'll take that as something good Joy [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Which book is this from and who(or what) does it concern?

Quote:

In the twilight by the river on a hollow thing of shell He made immortal music, till my heart beneath his spell Was broken in the twilight, and the meadows faded dim To great grey waters heaving round the rocks where sea-birds swim.

[ October 05, 2002: Message edited by: Glorfinniel the Lost ]

Legolas · 10-06-2002, 10:22 PM

Ylmir

The Shaping of Middle-earth (HoME IV)

HerenIstarion · 10-09-2002, 12:24 AM

you take it as something "very good", Glorfinniel

BTW, answer is given

Legolas · 10-09-2002, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Beneath the Moon and under star
he wandered far from northern strands,
bewildered on enchanted ways
beyond the days of mortal lands.

Who, where, and about what?

HerenIstarion · 10-11-2002, 06:00 AM

Bilbo's Lay of Eärendil, Imladris, Fall 3018 TA

HerenIstarion · 10-11-2002, 06:07 AM

BTW, just memo om general guidelines: one usually waits for a confirmation of previous qustion poser to proceed. Usual time of waiting - one week (at least) (Not that I suspect your answer of being incorrect, Legalos)

Sorry if it was I to tempt you, my remark (answer is given) was addressed to Glorfinniel the Lost to urge his confirmation

Glorfinniel the Lost · 10-12-2002, 01:03 AM

Sorry about that Legalos [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] You are correct!
Thank you for the reminder HI.

[ October 12, 2002: Message edited by: Glorfinniel the Lost ]

Legolas · 10-14-2002, 09:50 AM

I though you meant "[correct] answer is given" and since you started the thread, I presumed you to be king of it. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Thanks, Glorf...

HI, you're correct. Go on.

HerenIstarion · 11-11-2002, 05:46 AM

Nay, I am not. General rules for everybody.

Well, since that's settled:

Quote:

'Go home, go home
'I never invited you

Dúnethalath Taurendor · 11-11-2002, 05:51 AM

Bilbo, I think

HerenIstarion · 11-11-2002, 06:13 AM

Nay, he was more polite

BTW, welcome to the Downs

Dúnethalath Taurendor · 11-11-2002, 06:19 AM

Well, in that case, I don't remember...

-Imrahil- · 11-27-2002, 08:01 PM

Throw us a hint?

HerenIstarion · 11-28-2002, 03:48 AM

That was sang by a person whose looks were horrible, but heart was golden...

HerenIstarion · 05-21-2004, 04:39 AM

More than an year since, yet still:

That was said (sung) by non-human to quite a number of hobbits, but not elf, nor dwarf, nor ent or eagle he was, neither balrog or ork or goblin or warg but... guess who's omitted?

Guinevere · 05-28-2004, 02:14 PM

It is the lonely troll in "Perry- the- Winkle"

(I couldn't resist answering that one. But I won't be able to find a new quote that is a challenge for you HerenIstarion!

)

HerenIstarion · 05-28-2004, 02:55 PM

Yes, that's him

As for the 'that is a challenge for you', thats remains to be seen

Take it over

Guinevere · 05-30-2004, 01:22 PM

Well, I will do my best...

Quote:

And launching his bark like a silver spark
From the golden-fading sand.
Down the sunlit breath of Day's fiery death
He sped from Westerland.

Mithalwen · 05-31-2004, 11:41 AM

The man in the moon?

Guinevere · 05-31-2004, 12:29 PM

No

09-21-2002, 10:41 AM	#1
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Yes it is, though that part of the Lay is in the Silmarillion. Your turn. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

09-23-2002, 12:21 AM	#2
Glorfinniel the Lost Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Enchanted Isles Posts: 119	Who says this, and to whom? "Then whither go ye, boatmen fair, down the river gliding? To twilight and to secret lair in the great forest hiding? To Northern isles and shores of stone on strong swans flying, by cold waves to dwell alone with the white gulls crying?" __________________ But Lancelot mused a little space, he said 'She has a lovely face' God in his mercy lend her grace, The Lady of Shalott Alfred, Lord Tennyson

09-23-2002, 06:34 PM	#3
merlilot Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brandy Hall, Buckland, the Eastmarch of the Shire Posts: 204	Is that part of the song that Aragorn and Legolas sing when they send Boromir down the River? __________________ <--- and Billy Boyd. Thanks for the pic Alatariel (hope I spelled it right) even if i took it without permission

09-25-2002, 02:04 AM	#5
Glorfinniel the Lost Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Enchanted Isles Posts: 119	Right you are Joy! I was hoping no one had read the poem but anyway, your turn. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ But Lancelot mused a little space, he said 'She has a lovely face' God in his mercy lend her grace, The Lady of Shalott Alfred, Lord Tennyson

09-29-2002, 01:11 PM	#6
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Okay - where is this from and who is it concerning?? "Wilt thou leran the lore that was long secret" __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

10-01-2002, 01:48 AM	#7
Glorfinniel the Lost Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Enchanted Isles Posts: 119	Pure luck I read this chapter earlier [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Anyway, this is part of a poem from the chapter entitled "The Istari" from Unfinished Tales and concerns The Istari and Manwë and Varda's concerns about the future of ME. __________________ But Lancelot mused a little space, he said 'She has a lovely face' God in his mercy lend her grace, The Lady of Shalott Alfred, Lord Tennyson

10-01-2002, 03:26 AM	#8
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	forgive me if I meddle in your affairs [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img], but, since I deem Glorifinniel is right, I'll post the verse in full (I like it much): Will thou learn the lore /that was long secret of the Five that came / from a far country? One only returned. / Others never again under Men's dominion / Middle-earth shall seek until Dagor Dagorath / and the Doom cometh. How hast thou heard it: / the hidden counsel of the Lord of the West / in the land of Aman? The long roads are lost / that led thither, and to mortal Men / Manwë speaks not. From the West–that–was / a wind bore it to the sleeper's ear, / in the silences under night-shadow, / when news is brought from lands forgotten / and lost ages over seas of years / to the searching thought. Not all are forgotten / by the Elder King. Sauron he saw / at a slow menace .... __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 11-30-2005 at 06:02 AM. Reason: sweeping party

10-01-2002, 10:37 AM	#9
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Muy Bueno, Glorfiniel and HI! __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

10-01-2002, 03:14 PM	#10
merlilot Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brandy Hall, Buckland, the Eastmarch of the Shire Posts: 204	I don't think that will do much good if they are not Spanish (which I doubt). __________________ <--- and Billy Boyd. Thanks for the pic Alatariel (hope I spelled it right) even if i took it without permission

10-06-2002, 10:22 PM	#12
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Ylmir The Shaping of Middle-earth (HoME IV) __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

10-09-2002, 12:24 AM	#13
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	you take it as something "very good", Glorfinniel BTW, answer is given __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 11-30-2005 at 06:02 AM. Reason: sweeping party

10-11-2002, 06:00 AM	#15
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Bilbo's Lay of Eärendil, Imladris, Fall 3018 TA __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 11-30-2005 at 06:01 AM. Reason: sweeping party

10-11-2002, 06:07 AM	#16
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	BTW, just memo om general guidelines: one usually waits for a confirmation of previous qustion poser to proceed. Usual time of waiting - one week (at least) (Not that I suspect your answer of being incorrect, Legalos) Sorry if it was I to tempt you, my remark (answer is given) was addressed to Glorfinniel the Lost to urge his confirmation __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 11-30-2005 at 06:01 AM. Reason: sweeping party

10-12-2002, 01:03 AM	#17
Glorfinniel the Lost Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Enchanted Isles Posts: 119	Sorry about that Legalos [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] You are correct! Thank you for the reminder HI. [ October 12, 2002: Message edited by: Glorfinniel the Lost ] __________________ But Lancelot mused a little space, he said 'She has a lovely face' God in his mercy lend her grace, The Lady of Shalott Alfred, Lord Tennyson

10-14-2002, 09:50 AM	#18
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	I though you meant "[correct] answer is given" and since you started the thread, I presumed you to be king of it. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Thanks, Glorf... HI, you're correct. Go on. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

11-11-2002, 05:51 AM	#20
Dúnethalath Taurendor Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 17	Bilbo, I think __________________ 'Good Morning'

11-11-2002, 06:13 AM	#21
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Nay, he was more polite BTW, welcome to the Downs __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 11-30-2005 at 05:59 AM.

11-11-2002, 06:19 AM	#22
Dúnethalath Taurendor Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 17	Well, in that case, I don't remember... __________________ 'Good Morning'

11-27-2002, 08:01 PM	#23
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	Throw us a hint? __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

11-28-2002, 03:48 AM	#24
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	That was sang by a person whose looks were horrible, but heart was golden... __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 11-30-2005 at 06:03 AM. Reason: sweeping party

05-21-2004, 04:39 AM	#25
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Hint More than an year since, yet still: That was said (sung) by non-human to quite a number of hobbits, but not elf, nor dwarf, nor ent or eagle he was, neither balrog or ork or goblin or warg but... guess who's omitted? __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

05-28-2004, 02:14 PM	#26
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	It is the lonely troll in "Perry- the- Winkle" (I couldn't resist answering that one. But I won't be able to find a new quote that is a challenge for you HerenIstarion! ) __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

05-28-2004, 02:55 PM	#27
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Yes, that's him As for the 'that is a challenge for you', thats remains to be seen Take it over __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

05-31-2004, 11:41 AM	#29
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	The man in the moon?

05-31-2004, 12:29 PM	#30
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	No __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!