Orcish Fear - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Mithadan*** · 10-04-2000, 03:31 PM

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Re: Orcish Fear

Exactly, assuming that orcs are corrupted elves. However, Saulotus was correct in pointing out that JRRT's last conception of the origin of orcs was that they do not derive from elves. Thus they are men or beasts or both. This is at least inconsistent with implications made in LoTR and the published Sil. It would also not be consistent with his timeline. I feel that this is one of those issues where he would have looked at LoTR and his then unpublished work and either changed his mind or modified the idea to orcs being of various races and origins. Going in a circle here.

Anyway, if orcs could be redeemed in Mandos (and were elves) they could possibly have been reborn as they should have been rather than how they did appear.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

10-04-2000, 03:31 PM	#11
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,397	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 155</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Orcish Fear Exactly, assuming that orcs are corrupted elves. However, Saulotus was correct in pointing out that JRRT's last conception of the origin of orcs was that they do not derive from elves. Thus they are men or beasts or both. This is at least inconsistent with implications made in LoTR and the published Sil. It would also not be consistent with his timeline. I feel that this is one of those issues where he would have looked at LoTR and his then unpublished work and either changed his mind or modified the idea to orcs being of various races and origins. Going in a circle here. Anyway, if orcs could be redeemed in Mandos (and were elves) they could possibly have been reborn as they should have been rather than how they did appear. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.