Survivor: The Second Age - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-10-2006, 10:06 AM

I have decided to propose an alternative candidate.

Imagine the scene. Cirdan the Shipwright is sat with his feet up by the fire in his house in Alqualondë, his great-great-great-great-grandchildren on his knee.

“Great-great-great-great-grandsire, what did you do in the First Age?”

“Looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles.”

“And what did you do in the Second Age?”

“Er - looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles.”

“And what did you do in the Third Age?”

“Um - looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles …”

*silence*

“Oh, and I gave Olorin a Ring of Power.”

“Cool. Why?”

“So I didn’t have to get involved.”

“Oh! Anything else?”

“Yes. I grew a beard.”

“And what did you do in the Fourth Age?”

“Finished looking after the harbour, built a ship, sailed West.”

“Man, great-great-great-great-grandsire, you’re a loser.”

+ + CIRDAN

And before anyone starts shouting "Elf-Hater"", the Sindar remain one of the two strongest tribes. I would like to even things out and my heart has been moved by the strong feelings that many have shown for Celeborn. Indeed, I find it within mysef to feel a little sympathy for the poor emasculated, hen-pecked fellow.

JennyHallu · 03-10-2006, 10:08 AM

OOohh...excellent point...and you used my word to describe Celeborn...

SO...

--Orophir
++Cirdan

I'll go back to voting off people with funny sounding names tomorrow. I started a lovely trend with the desert camel...

Anguirel · 03-10-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

“Great-great-great-great-grandsire, what did you do in the First Age?”

“Looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles.”

“And what did you do in the Second Age?”

“Er - looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles.”

“And what did you do in the Third Age?”

“Um - looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles …”

*silence*

“Oh, and I gave Olorin a Ring of Power.”

“Cool. Why?”

“So I didn’t have to get involved.”

“Oh! Anything else?”

“Yes. I grew a beard.”

“And what did you do in the Fourth Age?”

“Finished looking after the harbour, built a ship, sailed West.”

“Man, great-great-great-great-grandsire, you’re a loser.”

Well, when you put it like that; but then, this is slightly more accurate...

“Great-great-great-great-grandsire, what did you do in the First Age?”

"Refused a command by the Valar to go and get cuddled, maintained a realm despite everything, saved the young High King of the Noldor, and protected a Silmaril."

"Ooo. What about the Second Age?"

"Spotted that the apparently helpful Maia wandering around was the Dark Lord in disguise, rescued loads of doomed Elves, saved an Elven Ring, defeated Sauron with my pals and adviced Isildur not to take the One Ring, then said I told you so."

"Ooo. By the Third, you're pretty old; you must've retired? Did Elrond give you a pension?"

"As it happens, shrimp, no, he did not. I gave my Elven Ring to exactly the right person out of a choice of five; all the other four turned out to be flakes, hippies and capitalists. Then I saved a Palantir, tried to rescue a King of Arnor, helped beat the Witch King, was one of the Wise, overthrew Dol Guldur, sent a monkey to the Council of Elrond, provided solace for Elves everywhere, that kind of thing..."

"Hang on, Great-great-great-great-grandsire, you're exaggerating, I don't believe you..."

JennyHallu · 03-10-2006, 10:23 AM

He sent a monkey to the council of Elrond? And Elrond let the monkey attend???

For that, he should live and Elrond should go away.

--Cirdan
++Elrond

(Can anyone tell I'm feeling indecisive today?)

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-10-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

Well, when you put it like that; but then, this is slightly more accurate...

Hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good story ...

And much of your account is, in fact, either conjecture or exaggeration. Mostly, he just stayed put safe in his harbour.

And, even putting the best spin on his life, as you have done, he can hardly be described as an Elf of great action. Not at all like those sons of Feanor that you so adore ...

Mithalwen · 03-10-2006, 10:57 AM

For I find myself in agreement with the Saucepan Man, a rare occurence which happens only when obscure planets are in alignment. HE may have silver hair and pointy ears but I hate sailors (yotties not RN) and beards with a passion so:

++Cirdan

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-10-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

For I find myself in agreement with the Saucepan Man, a rare occurence which happens only when obscure planets are in alignment.

Zounds! If you're not careful, you'll end up flying the St George Cross from your car this summer.

Mithalwen · 03-10-2006, 11:28 AM

..not even for Coronation day or the Queen's official Birthday ...... certainly not for a bunch of men kicking an inflated pig's bladder around a field...

- an exploding pig's bladder maybe..but then that would be alternative comedy not sport.

the phantom · 03-10-2006, 11:30 AM

All right. So, what's happened so far today?

Lhuna made a sensible vote for the little known Oropher.

JennyHallu wisely added her Oropher vote, but more recently she changed her vote to Elrond because of a monkey which did not actually exist. I'm not too impressed with Jenny right now.

Lalaith came forward and made a good argument for Amandil, and Anguirel considered her argument and voted with her. A pat on the back for the both of them for making a good pick.

Eomer continued voting for Erendis. Erendis certainly needs to be ousted at some point, but for some reason I, nor anyone else, seems to be interested in doing it now.

Then The Saucepan Man stepped in and claimed that he wan't anti-elf, and then proceeded to vote for an elf. Seven of his ten votes this game have been for elves, and the three that weren't for elves were for Numenorian Kings with elf-blood running through their veins. Sure... SPM isn't anti-elf.

That being said, SP's choice of Cirdan isn't a terribly bad selection, and I don't blame Mithalwen for siding with him.

Tuor comes along and votes for Celebrimbor, in an effort to stop the whole Ring thing. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the Rings will still happen so long as there are other elven-smiths in Hollin as well as Sauron. If we kill Celebrimbor, the three powerful elven rings won't get made, and thus Lothlorien and Rivendell will be diminished. And also, don't forget that Gandalf took one of the rings, a ring to help support him in his weariness and help him kindle people's hearts, and without that ring he probably would not have been successful. So, if you want Sauron guaranteed a Third Age victory, go right on ahead and get rid of Celebrimbor.

Next, we have Dancing Spawn come along and cast her vote for Elrond, proving that she is much prettier than she is intelligent. Her reasoning is that Elrond wasn't a success in a previous season of Survivor. What kind of non-reason is that? And then she gives another reason- that anyone could have founded Rivendell with the power of Vilya. There, she is showing her stupidity. Elrond did not have Vilya when he founded Rivendell. At that time, Vilya was still with Gil-galad.

JennyHallu · 03-10-2006, 11:38 AM

Agh! The Phantom isn't impressed with me! What shall I do?

What shall I do? I shall go straight back to voting for people on the basis of their names.

++the phantom

We're all dead, what makes him THE phantom? Isn't he just A phantom?

And...

--Elrond, ++Orophir, because 'e's 'orrible. Sorry, Ang, I will not be able to take the anti-monkey platform today, as A phantom has pointed out that monkeys don't exist.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-10-2006, 11:47 AM

Hello TP (or is it AP), how nice to see you here. Charming as ever, I see.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Seven of his ten votes this game have been for elves, and the three that weren't for elves were for Numenorian Kings with elf-blood running through their veins.

Hmm, I wonder how that could be. Perhaps because a third of the original contestants were Elves and most of the rest were Numenorean Kings ...

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 03-10-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Next, we have Dancing Spawn come along and cast her vote for Elrond, proving that she is much prettier than she is intelligent. Her reasoning is that Elrond wasn't a success in a previous season of Survivor. What kind of non-reason is that? And then she gives another reason- that anyone could have founded Rivendell with the power of Vilya. There, she is showing her stupidity. Elrond did not have Vilya when he founded Rivendell. At that time, Vilya was still with Gil-galad.

Really now? You just know how to compliment a girl, don't you?

Interesting that you should pick me to accuse of having insufficient reasons to vote for Elrond when just yesterday there was a bunch of people throwing their votes around because of the word 'camel'. I don't remember you expressing your disapproval to see people voting Khamûl based on that, and yet today you say that you are disappointed with JennyHallu. Her vote for Elrond was just as good as any of those that were cast for Khamûl.

However, I shall forgive you speaking rashly because for some reason you seem to be attached to Elrond and your feelings are clearly slowing your thoughts. If I may quote the Encyclopedia of Arda:

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It [Vilya] was originally held by Gil-galad, but he passed it to Elrond at the time of the founding of Rivendell.

As to the 'non-reason', I said that Elrond wasn't great in the last shows, and then I took a look at his doings in the 2nd Age. My conclusion was: nothing special this time either. When you add that to the list, I don't see why to keep him around.

JennyHallu · 03-10-2006, 12:17 PM

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Ineresting that you should pick me to accuse of having insufficient reasons to vote for Elrond when just yesterday there was a bunch of people throwing their votes around because of the word 'camel'. I don't remember you expressing your disapproval to see people voting Khamûl based on that, and yet today you say that you are disappointed with JennyHallu. Her vote for Elrond was just as good as any of those that were cast for Khamûl.

Why yes it was...if you look back, you will find that I started that particular bandwaggon...I am quite inordinately proud of it. First bandwaggon I ever started that actually managed to accumulate passengers.

No one who lives in a desert should 'ave a name that looks like "camel". Delightful, but far too obvious.

I'm only voting for Orophir because his name makes me start dropping H's right and left. So there, One of Many Equally Renowned Phantoms!

EDIT: And can I send my non-existant council-monkey to sit on your back?

03-10-2006, 10:06 AM	#1
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	I have decided to propose an alternative candidate. Imagine the scene. Cirdan the Shipwright is sat with his feet up by the fire in his house in Alqualondë, his great-great-great-great-grandchildren on his knee. “Great-great-great-great-grandsire, what did you do in the First Age?” “Looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles.” “And what did you do in the Second Age?” “Er - looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles.” “And what did you do in the Third Age?” “Um - looked after the harbour, built some ships, avoided battles …” silence “Oh, and I gave Olorin a Ring of Power.” “Cool. Why?” “So I didn’t have to get involved.” “Oh! Anything else?” “Yes. I grew a beard.” “And what did you do in the Fourth Age?” “Finished looking after the harbour, built a ship, sailed West.” “Man, great-great-great-great-grandsire, you’re a loser.” + + CIRDAN And before anyone starts shouting "Elf-Hater"", the Sindar remain one of the two strongest tribes. I would like to even things out and my heart has been moved by the strong feelings that many have shown for Celeborn. Indeed, I find it within mysef to feel a little sympathy for the poor emasculated, hen-pecked fellow. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-10-2006, 10:08 AM	#2
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	OOohh...excellent point...and you used my word to describe Celeborn... SO... --Orophir ++Cirdan I'll go back to voting off people with funny sounding names tomorrow. I started a lovely trend with the desert camel... __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-10-2006, 10:23 AM	#4
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	He sent a monkey to the council of Elrond? And Elrond let the monkey attend??? For that, he should live and Elrond should go away. --Cirdan ++Elrond (Can anyone tell I'm feeling indecisive today?) __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

03-10-2006, 10:57 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	This is a strange day indeed .... For I find myself in agreement with the Saucepan Man, a rare occurence which happens only when obscure planets are in alignment. HE may have silver hair and pointy ears but I hate sailors (yotties not RN) and beards with a passion so: ++Cirdan __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 03-10-2006 at 11:04 AM.

03-10-2006, 11:28 AM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	So not my style............... ..not even for Coronation day or the Queen's official Birthday ...... certainly not for a bunch of men kicking an inflated pig's bladder around a field... - an exploding pig's bladder maybe..but then that would be alternative comedy not sport. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 03-10-2006 at 11:32 AM.

03-10-2006, 11:30 AM	#9
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	All right. So, what's happened so far today? Lhuna made a sensible vote for the little known Oropher. JennyHallu wisely added her Oropher vote, but more recently she changed her vote to Elrond because of a monkey which did not actually exist. I'm not too impressed with Jenny right now. Lalaith came forward and made a good argument for Amandil, and Anguirel considered her argument and voted with her. A pat on the back for the both of them for making a good pick. Eomer continued voting for Erendis. Erendis certainly needs to be ousted at some point, but for some reason I, nor anyone else, seems to be interested in doing it now. Then The Saucepan Man stepped in and claimed that he wan't anti-elf, and then proceeded to vote for an elf. Seven of his ten votes this game have been for elves, and the three that weren't for elves were for Numenorian Kings with elf-blood running through their veins. Sure... SPM isn't anti-elf. That being said, SP's choice of Cirdan isn't a terribly bad selection, and I don't blame Mithalwen for siding with him. Tuor comes along and votes for Celebrimbor, in an effort to stop the whole Ring thing. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the Rings will still happen so long as there are other elven-smiths in Hollin as well as Sauron. If we kill Celebrimbor, the three powerful elven rings won't get made, and thus Lothlorien and Rivendell will be diminished. And also, don't forget that Gandalf took one of the rings, a ring to help support him in his weariness and help him kindle people's hearts, and without that ring he probably would not have been successful. So, if you want Sauron guaranteed a Third Age victory, go right on ahead and get rid of Celebrimbor. Next, we have Dancing Spawn come along and cast her vote for Elrond, proving that she is much prettier than she is intelligent. Her reasoning is that Elrond wasn't a success in a previous season of Survivor. What kind of non-reason is that? And then she gives another reason- that anyone could have founded Rivendell with the power of Vilya. There, she is showing her stupidity. Elrond did not have Vilya when he founded Rivendell. At that time, Vilya was still with Gil-galad. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important. Last edited by the phantom; 03-10-2006 at 11:38 AM.

03-10-2006, 11:38 AM	#10
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Agh! The Phantom isn't impressed with me! What shall I do? What shall I do? I shall go straight back to voting for people on the basis of their names. ++the phantom We're all dead, what makes him THE phantom? Isn't he just A phantom? And... --Elrond, ++Orophir, because 'e's 'orrible. Sorry, Ang, I will not be able to take the anti-monkey platform today, as A phantom has pointed out that monkeys don't exist. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!