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WOo HOO! GO THENAMIR!!! Thena, Aryana probably doesn't know what hit her!
*sigh* I wish i had the courage to do what Thenamir does.
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11-27-2002, 11:48 PM
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Ok here is my personal opinion about JK Rowling.
Well I have noticed many simalarities but maybe she was inspiered by Tolkien. I mean many people are well, like me! Anyways, I don't think that the plots are stollen just maybe some tidbits of Lord of the Rings.
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11-29-2002, 10:40 AM
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LOL, I've been away from this thread for a few weeks, and wow! Arayna, what a childish rant! By the way, facists and racests aren't the same. While it is true that some racests have been facists, some democrates have been racests, and many more facists have been feminists. (humph) Any way, sticks and stones...
Did JKR even read LotRs?
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11-29-2002, 12:24 PM
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Tolkiens genius provided the world and all the authors in it with the basis of all mythological type books etc. Without Tolien the world would be without Elves, Goblins, Orcs wizardsetc and wat would be the fun in that. I think we should all be very gratefull.
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Yes I agree totally
because... Frodo = Harry Sam = Ron Sauron = Voldemort Gandalf = Dumbledore Quirrel = Snape Bree = Hogsmeade But I think perhaps thats just because there's a goodie, a baddie, the goodie's best friend etc..in every good book! But I know, there are a lot of similarities [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] |
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“Quirrel = Snape” –I don’t get that one.
We aren’t the only ones upset over this horrendous act of plagiarism! At this very moment, those who adhere to the dictums of Lucasology are tuning up the plasma interfaces of their light sabres: Luke Skywalker = Harry R2D2/CP30 = Ron Darth Vader = Voldemort Obi Wan Kanobi = Dumbledore Mos Isly = Hogsmeade Of course, medieval literary scholars (who, incidentally, still argue that the spur and not the longbow was the most important pre-gunpowder innovation) are putting aside their reasoned responses to arguments that King Arthur was the anti-Christ to take up the chivalrous fight: Author = Harry Lancelot = Ron Morgan le Fay = Voldemort Merlin = Dumbledore Camelot = Hogsmeade I also heard that Shannara fans are just a hair upset, and have been busy repositioning their trebuchets (from the book critics) to take some shots at that vile English woman: Shea/Wil/Brin Ohmsford = Harry Skull Bearers = Dementors The Warlock Lord = Voldemort Allanon = Dumbledore Shady Vale = Hogsmeade Shakespearean thespians the world over have their buskins all askew: Hamlet = Harry Haratio = Ron Claudius = Voldemort Ophelia = Hermione Denmark = Hogsmeade But small are these in comparison is the wrath of the Trekers, who from convention to convention (where they still find time to scoff at the notion of magic and discuss the unlimited potential of warp technology) are putting aside the pointed ear thing with Peter Jackson to level their phasers against Harry Potter and his broomstick: James T. Kirk = Harry Bones = Ron Khan = Voldemort Spock = Dumbledore The Enterprise = Hogwarts
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That's "Trekkies".
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And, guys, lay off on the "stolen plot" thing....Tolkien created modern fantasy, so it's natural that every other modern fantasy story has Tolkien-istic elements in it [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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12-01-2002, 08:50 AM
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Sorry. Far be it from me to offend the sensibilities of those brave enough to dress as klingons in public!
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12-01-2002, 09:45 AM
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I read a book where the author uses 'Sirdan' and 'The Blue Havens'. Silly.
I can't remember what it's called.
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12-01-2002, 11:02 AM
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Agree Manwe. Tolkien never really had "magic" like Rowlings did. Hers was visible, Tolkien's was hidden, but you knew it was there.
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12-01-2002, 02:49 PM
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I was watching HP yesterday, and NOT enjoying it, but I noticed that the scene in the forest with Quirell is exactly like the scene at Weathertop! Harry runs away from a cloaket thing about to kill him, and trips over and falls! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] Freaky!
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Quite frankly how can there NOT be similarites that people will pick up on from LOTR and HP , JK Rowling would have been inspired by Tolkien (as were probably most fantasty writers recently). Harry Potter is a paving way for younger kids up to LOTR , its like a stepping stone. A very cliche point I know , it's probably been said i know but i just had to make the point.
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12-02-2002, 05:06 PM
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Pssst! C'mon over here, I got some secret inside info on the Lord of the Rings movies. Here be spoilers, don't read if you don't want to know!
Gandalf comes back from the dead! Frodo claims the ring, but Gollum bites his finger off to get it back, and falls into Mount Doom! Oh, yeah -- Aragorn and Arwen get married, and Aragorn becomes king! Strangely similar to a trilogy that was published back in the late 50's....
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12-03-2002, 07:08 AM
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Wow Thenamir! Are you serious? Gandalf comes back from the dead!? Wow! Just kidding. I love spoiling the movies for those who haven't read the books yet. Its great fun. I always say, read the book before its a movie. Otherwise you will get lost in the book looking for events that either never occur or are in the wrong order. Hmmm, I wonder how many people had the movies ruined because of that little clip of sarcasm.... Hopefully not a lot. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
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I've read that many find Wormtail and Wormtounge very simelar indeed, because they are both traitors and the because of the name.....I agree here too. I see this as one of those inspirations Rowling got from Tolkien.
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07-09-2003, 08:49 AM
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Hate to say this, but Tolkien's Wormtongue was not the first. There was a 10th century Norse saga hero, Gunnlaugr Ormstunga (ie Wormtongue) he a poet at the court of the Norwegian king and well known for his cunning. Tolkien as an expert of that period would certainly have known about him...
Not sayiing Tolkien is a plagiarist, but he was inspired by a certain period of literature and history, and he makes use of time-honoured literary devices, just as Rowling does. I think the parallels drawn between the two authors are mostly quite spurious ones, due to the fact that they both happened to be made into movies at the same time.
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07-09-2003, 03:07 PM
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Did anyone see the special on JK Rowling on PBS? It was last weekend I think. She did take alot of her stuff from legend. They(PBS) put alot of effort into looking into the story. Tolkien was not mentioned once. A Gray Lady was mentioned, and all and the possible connections. If you read HP you can see a few parrallels to LOTR but I realy could care less weather or not she was inspired by Tolkien. I like both authors and so there you have it. They both get the same respect, sometimes I will sit down and forget about homework till the book is done and others I just read when I have a spare momnet to breath in.
But all that is said in this thread is most likely debated else where. I don't think that Rowling should be compaired to Tolkien, I read both of them and come to the conclusion that they are similer yes, but still very diferant. So don't go out trying to find something that isn't there. Wormtail and Wormtounge; Wormtail was a little discusting idot that pretened to be a rat for years. He was hiding from the inistry of magic, because he had killed some people and pinned it on Sirus Black. When he came out of this raty shape he was nothing but Voldemort's pet, it seems.He ended up sacraficing more than he planned for. Wormtounge was a bit more free thinking, he did what he was told, but he wasn't as snivliing as Wormtail. ( But when you tink about it I need to read the book again , it is all a haze) ....... More could be said but I will stop here. [ July 09, 2003: Message edited by: Annalaliath ]
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07-09-2003, 05:13 PM
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Well, there are indeed remarkable similarities between the two series but as for the story itself, there's not much. Tolkien is for much mature readers whereas Rowling has this charm to attract all people at any age. however, there is no point denying that she's also a Tolkien reader. Rowling was able to create a world not so unlike the real one and Tolkien had his own way in designing what we know as Arda
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what ever it is I don't likeHarry Potter because al it is is coping of LOTr and that ain't alowed in my book so I don't want to have anything to do with Harry Potter! By the way has anyone sen POTC
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07-10-2003, 09:53 AM
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Another similarity is the saying
"him we do not name" I aggree with the other posts that there are many similarities but both are totally different books. I personally prefer LOTR but HP is a good read as well, a bit more easy going |
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07-10-2003, 11:12 AM
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But you have to admit that the Dark Lords are very different. One keeps coming back while the other comes back and is defeated. Although, if you count Melkor then there is another. The Dark Lords in LOTR come back for a time but not over and over and over again like Voldemort.(funny my mom calls Wal- mart, Val-demort, I wonder why?) He is the chief nemesis in almost all the HP books, the new one has about 2 the Ministry of Magic and Him Who Must Not be Names....... But any way he keeps coming back and tries to kill Harry every time. Sauron and Melkor come back so that they can control Arda and all that is in it, perverting the beauty and stifling the inhabitants. This debate can go on for ever!
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What do you mean Sauron only came back once?
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07-10-2003, 06:34 PM
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I don't read HP, and don't want to. I know as little about it as is possible. But I do have something to contribute to this thread:
If an author write better than his contemporaries, they will term him a plagiarist; if as well, a pretender; but, if worse, he may stand some chance of commendation as a genius of some promise, from whom much may be expected, by a due attention to their good counsel and advice. Colton Now you're all sensible Tolkienites. Think about that quote, and stop criticizing writing in this manner. If the author writes badly, or writes that with which you do not agree, as he/she very well may, then you have grounds to complain, but stop this "stolen plot" nonsense! ~Kate's~
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07-11-2003, 07:05 PM
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Why do people always have to bring up harry potter?? this is an LOR site if i'm not mistaken. I've never read the books or seen the movies and i don't intend to because it is not my cup of tea, i'm fine with the whole potter thing as lomg as people do not mention that it is better than LOR, because i must say that i do not feel that it is. The lady author was writting children's books although they were meant for "everyone" then some character is supposed to die in the phoenix that info she purposely leaked out to get more book sales by crazed kids and adults alike. Tolkien wasn't really interested in what other people thought because he had originally just wrote the histories and stories for his own leisure as many people do in their spare time; scribbling down parts of stories that pop into their heads or are parts of oringinal stories, for tolkien was fascinatied by words at a very young age thanks to his mother and he had a greater purpose to make a history like tale for his home country of Britain because it had no original story of it's own. But i also must admit that it is hard to find original material for a story these days, but author's are supposed to be imaginitive, so she should have tried to make her story have less conections then it has. If she was paying homage to tolkien does she write it somewhere in her books that she does? or has she ever admitted to it? Or has she taken those ideas to be her own? I do not want to start a war or words this is just my opinion and i am not dissing potter although i have no like for him. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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07-12-2003, 04:26 AM
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I think Rowling only 'borrowed' ideas from Tolkien and changed them a bit, so it would be a little harsh saying she 'stole' ideas. And, yes, tbis is a Tolkien site, but it wouldn't hurt to discuss the simaralities between LOTR and Harry Potter. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Best, Tarien
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07-12-2003, 06:07 PM
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Rowling has taken elements from all sorts of fantasy novels. Harry is a collection of general experience, from the classical dragon to the unheard of boggart (sp?). It really doesn't seem that she specifically borrowed from Tolkien any more than she did from Dickens. That's all.
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Yes, Rowling certainly used her vivid imagination and used classic fairy-tale myths and transformed them into something original.
But may I disagree with you, Iarwain (politely). I do think Rowling has somehow 'borrowed' soem of Tolkien's ideas and turned them into her own perception. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Best. Tarien
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07-13-2003, 08:34 AM
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I can see some similarities...but then who can't with the majority of fantasy? Both JKR JRRT have drawn on myth and legend to create their stories. But I don't compare the two. I look on LOTR as adult fiction and HP as childrens though the latest was much darker.
I guess though I am an Avid LOTR fan (and yes I like it more than HP) I wanted to point out a few of the parallels I have drawn. For starters my sig below. while studying at Oxford University, JRRT came in touch with the poem "the Crist of Cynewulf". Tolkien was especially fascinated by the cryptic couplet: Eįlį Earendel engla beorhtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended - "Hail Earendel, brightest of angels, over Middle Earth sent to men ". This poem positively inspired him. To state the sil charcter derived from this isn't really necessary! Strong links to norse and Irish myth can be found. Just look at the Tuatha Dé Danann: Imortal, beyond the beauty of man, came in white ships-need I say more. Le Morte D'Arthur has already been mentioned but I have come across a character in there called Balin. Oh and a bit of trivia a bilbo is an iron bar used to secure prisoners shackles! I remember their being a reference to Rangers in C.S.Lewis' Silver Chair... Basically I love LOTR both books and their basis in myth only makes them more enjoyabe giving them a tight anchor in your subconcious. But one thing I do not see JRRT as a racist facist! Attacking the authors personally is just a childish tactic. Both had a dream they shared, both dreams mean different things to different people. Thats the beauty of the human mind not everyone sees the same thing the same way [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Oh I heard of Boggarts before they turn milk sour stuff like that [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]Helpful aren't they!
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If you start to hate HP and JKR because she used old mythology, Greek and some old ghost stories and such, then you have to put Tolkien down just to be fair. They both were inspired by legend and history, and JKR was probably also inspired by JRRT.
What I am trying to say is before you cast the first stone, do your homework. It is not a nice thing to say that someone is a plagiarist. If you don't like it like I don't like Romance or most mystery, I am not talking to you. But those who are flaming JKR should rethink and read her books, and then do some research and then if the evidence points to plagiarism, go for it. But from the spot where I sit, having read all the books, I see nothing to be upset about. And yes Bogarts are evil little fairies. All fairies are according to my Field guide to Irish fairies.
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Well, she can't exactly return them, because her books have been published and everything, so I guess all we can do is list all the similarities between Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.
BTW: Don't any of you think C.S Lewis's work and Tolkien's are somwhat similar? Just a thought.
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Nobodys ideas are completely original. Just like Tolkien took his ideas from Beowulf etc Rowling probably found her ideas from lots of different sources. There are bound to be similarities, because it's the fantasy genre and lots of things relate to each other. For instance, some people say that Gandalf and Dumbledore are similar. They are just traditional images of wizards that so many people have used. Rowling is playing off the stereotypical image of wizards and witches. Except for Gandalf, Tokien doesn't. he created a totally different place from the world that Rowling created. Of course, you could argue that she copied the lesser known 'Worst Witch' books. But I think that the Harry Potter books and Lord of the Rings are very different and I like them both.
Sorry if I repeted anyones points, but I don't have time to read the whole entire topic. Just thought I'd chip in my 2 cents!
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HOW TRUE!
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Personally, and please do not stone me to death for this, I loathe the Harry Potter series. The writing, while it has gotten better since the juvenile and awkward composition of the book, has never seemed anywhere near up to par with the great fantasy classics (Lord of the Rings, Out of the Silent Planet, etc.).
That being said, I do not think it can be compared with Professor Tolkien's works, and, although it may have derived some of its ideas and names from those of Lord of the Rings, what fantasy novel in the last 4 decades hasn't? Furthermore, Harry Potter is a children's book. It was designed to appeal to and has an obvious target audience of children, from the cover of the book to the characters on its pages. The Lord of the Rings was never meant to cater to children (except, that is, when it was first conceived as a sequel to the hobbit). The writing is moodier, more mature and more linguistically sound, and the characters are vastly different (except for Dumbledore, who I believe is the only real direct rip-off of Lord of the Rings). I do not really think any logical comparisons can be drawn between them other than they are both works of fantasy, and basic ideas and character traits are expressed (in different ways, mind you) in both series.
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I agree with you, that's all I've got to say.....for now anyway... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Adding to my last post, I didn't say that Rowling didn't borrow from Dickens. In fact, we can (forcefully) compare Potter to Oliver Twist and David Copperfield. Perhaps that's going too far. Oh well, goodbye.
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Oh wow this thing is older than an Egyptian coffin. I frankly feel Rowling DID rip off a few things, but not exactly the entire plot. Also, I don't find Dobby and Gollum all that similar. But Old Man Willow and than strange Whomping Willow are too alike for my liking
 Not to mention Gandalf and Dumbledore. Then again, most contemporary fantasy authors have, either consciously or unconsciously, ripped something off LotR.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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For myself, HP and the works of Tolkien were different in one very profound way: Rowling was telling a story. Tolkien was attempting to create a mythology. The depth of thought and work that goes into the latter runs far deeper, IMHO and it was something I appreciated even when I first read LotR at age 11, back in the mid 1960s. I still appreciate it today. HP didn't work for me the first time I read the word "muggle." But to explain all the whys and wherefores would take more energy than I have at the moment (and possibly take years and cost millions of lives
 ).As to the person with the venomous "I'm right" attitude alas, I've seen that so often over the years, it's something I've come to expect the minute someone begins any discussion comparing one thing to another. "My current favorite fandom, right or wrong (and next week, I'll have a new fave and be dumping just as viciously on what I'm defending today)" is an attitude that apparently grew quite common with the expansion of a media-oriented culture. Rowling borrowed from Tolkien. So did Terry Brooks and Stephen Donaldson and a lot of other writers. Where the line between homage and rip-off lies is always vague, but is usually a question of how much of the work is "borrowed," and the amount of original thought the author put into it. * All IMHO, as ever.
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