WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

[Valier]

Alright since no one seems to be around...I have thought about it and I won't vote for Mith today. Out of the other votees today Jenny has been acting the most strange and is higher up on my suspect list.


++JennyHallu

Please both our mysterious Owls pick good choices, we need to catch the last Duck and end this madness!

[Diamond18]

Well it's deadline time. Ish. It may take me a while to get the death up. But I will eventually.

Oh yeah -- Jenny and Glirdan did not vote.

[JennyHallu]

I am so sorry I am late!

We had car trouble and I honestly haven't been here!

++Mormegil

[Diamond18]

I'll count your vote, Jenny, but it won't change anything, since you and Morm are now tied and you reached 4 votes first. Not sure Glirdan is going to show.

[Glirdan]

Well, I don't see how my vote would really count much anyway because it wouldn't be for either of them, I can tell you that much. So there's no point. Continue on Diamond.

[Diamond18]

Soon after Roa Aoife departed for the south, the villagers’ discussions were interrupted yet again by a strange sight.

A little, squat, dome-shaped robot rolled into the village square, beeping and booping as it came. It stopped and swiveled its head as if looking over the villagers. Then, with an excited chirp it rolled up to Sleepy Ranger. Suddenly, a shivering, staticy image of a woman in a long flowing white dress appeared. “Help me Sleepy-Wan Rangeobi, you’re my only hope!” she said. “Help me Sleepy-Wan Rangeobi, you’re my only hope!” she said again. And again. And again. And again. Frankly, it got rather tiring, and one villager suggested giving it a smack to see if it could be unstuck. At this suggestion, the little droid squealed indignantly and shut the hologram off.

“I’m sorry, villagers,” Sleepy said, “but I must answer the summons of the Princess. Good luck with your duck problem!”

And with that, he jumped into his hover-mobile (or whatever the kids are calling it these days) and he and the droid departed for parts unknown.

~~~~~~~~~

The villagers decided that day to kill JennyHallu. Jenny didn’t seem to mind, or at least, couldn’t be bothered to show up and defend herself. So the villagers decided to take death to Jenny, and made the long, arduous trek up the mountain to her hut. They climbed, and climbed, and climbed, and stopped briefly to frolic with mountain goats, then climbed some more. Or did they clumb? At any rate, they arrived at her hut in the evening, brandishing pitchforks and torches.

“Come out come out whatever you are!” cried Mithalwen.

“Oooom. Who’s afraid of the big bad duck?” called Jenny from inside the hut.

“Not me!” declared Not-Cailín. “I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll blow your house down!”

“We know what you are!” said Mormegil. “Come out and defend yourself!”

“Not by the hairs on my chinny-chin-chin,” laughed Jenny.

Valier bristled. “Imposter, I’m the only one here with hairs on my chinny chin chin!” And with that, she led the assault on Jenny’s door. Being a hut door, it didn’t take long to pitchfork it down, and they found the halfing guru seated in the lotus-position with a serene smile on her face.

She opened one eye and with a knowing smile, said,

“I have two ducks, one blue, one black.
And when the blue duck goes "Quack Quack"
The black duck quickly "Quack Quack"'s back!

So...while the blue duck's a quicker quacker,
The black is a quicker quacker backer!”

“What the....?” said Morm.

“It’s some kind of riddle,” mused Mithalwen.

“Pertaining to ducks,” agreed Not-Cailín.

Valier however was not be distracted, and grabbed Jenny by the sackcloth as she was trying to sneak out the door. “I’ll riddle you!” the dwarven millet-picker cried, and proceeded to stab her repeatedly with her pitchfork. The others, cheered by the blood that squirted from the guru, joined in and soon they had reduced Jenny to a bloody... feathery... pulp.

“Ha! She was the Wereduck!” declared Mormegil smugly. “And... I’ve got goop on my frock...”

“That’s it?” said not-Cailín. “We’ve won?”

“I think so,” replied Mithalwen. “There lies a dead duck, and there are two dead ducks down in the village, and while the blue duck’s a quicker quacker... blast now I can’t get that rhyme out of my head.”

“Well if we’ve won, why don’t I feel this doom lifting from my stout dwarven shoulders?” wondered Valier.

And lo! a voice from the heavens spoke unto them. It was the voice of the Moddess Goddess, filtering down through the clouds like particles of dirt small enough to get through even the best water filtration system.

“Hark unto me, my lab-ra... I mean, my children,” she said, “for your task is not done. Hark! I just like saying that! Anyway, hark (ha!) unto my words, for on the Second Day, when you awoke to find no dead among you, it was not a joyous morn as you so naïvely thought. For the Nightingale did not prevail the previous Night -- the Ducks took a life but did not squish it like a grubby little bug. Nay -- for this villager was cursed and the Ducks took that life and made it their own. Using dark, ducky arts, they created another of their kind. From that Night forward, the once innocent villager looked like a duck, walked like a duck, and killed like a Wereduck. Your task is not done, your village is not rid of the pestilence. One Duck still lives.”

~~~~~~~~~

~ The Dead ~

Diamond Took, the Halfling Poet ~ Villager ~ Pecked to death on Night 1
Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven Pigeon-Summoning Ninja ~ Wereduck ~ Waxed on, waxed off on Day 1
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Spider Loving Orcish Astronaut ~ Wereduck ~ Stuffed full of spiders and choked to death on Day 2
Elu Ancalime the Didgeridoo Dwarf ~ Villager ~ Struck by Mod Fire from above on Day 2
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler ~ Villager ~ Boiled, mashed, and cooked in a stew on Night 3
Roa Aoife the Batwoman ~ Villager ~ Not dead, but rejoined her regiment on Day 3
Sleepy Ranger the Exiled Jedi Master ~ Villager ~ Not dead, but departed with a droid on Day 3
JennyHallu the Halfling Mountaintop Guru ~ Wereduck ~ Pitchforked to death on Day 3

~ The Living ~

Anguirel the Baritone Bird Catcher
Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
Valier the Dwarven Millet Spray Picker
Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
Kath the Rainbow Catcher
Cailín the Bird-portraitist
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker

[Diamond18]

Night 4

Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder was up late that night, herding trees. Naturally. Suddenly, he heard a strange sound. It sounded like... quacking. Yes. Loud, raucous, angry quacking. Stranger yet, it was followed by the screech of a hawk. He looked up into the night air, wrinkling his Entish brow, and in the moonlight saw a strange sight.

Awful lot of strangeness going on here, I know.

Anyway, he saw two birds doing battle in the sky above, silhouetted by the full moon. “Papageno! Papageno!” cried the Hawk.

“Quack quack quack!” quacked the duck, predictably.

They circled each other, diving in and out, beating at each other with their wings and gnashing their beaks. (Though the Duck had a bill. Don’t trouble yourself with the details.) Glirdan watched the fight in fascination. He saw, to his vast surprise, the Duck pull an M16 assault rifle from its feathers, and aim the barrel at the Hawk. A hale of bullets spit forth in rapid succession, riddling the Hawk with lead.

The Hawk fell to the ground, and changed into a man. Anguirel the baritone bird catcher staggered to his feet, bleeding from multiple bullet wounds. He eyed Glirdan with malice, and dragged his broken body over to the Ent. He held forth one trembling arm, and attempted to flick on a cigarette lighter. Alas, his weakened thumb slipped and nothing happened.

Glirdan, seeing his intent, turned to flee. But, being an Ent, he moved very slowly, and Anguirel staggered after him for a few yards, flicking as he went, in an edge of your seat slow motion chase. “Hold up,” the dying Hawk wheezed, “I’ve almost got it....”

“Destroyer and usurper, curse you!” Glirdan cried, and giving up on his flight turned to stomp Anguirel into the ground.

But just as he did so, the lighter flared to life and his woody limbs caught. Anguirel watched in satisfaction as fire licked its way up the Ent’s body. Glirdan screamed in agony as the flames ate away at his flesh, and he fell to his knees as his eyeballs make icky popping noises and oozed from their sockets, mingling with his melting lips. As the life escaped him and his body blackened, Anguirel also dripped his last drop of blood, and they fell dead side by side.

The Wereduck flew away, laughing to itself.

~~~~~~~~~

Day 4

The villagers found the charred remains of Glirdan and the holey body of Anguirel the next day. The bugs had already gotten to the corpses, and the flies and termites were having a grand feast. The villagers turned away and relieved themselves of their breakfast. Then the talk of vengeance began anew.

~~~~~~~~~

~ The Dead ~

Diamond Took, the Halfling Poet ~ Villager ~ Pecked to death on Night 1
Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven Pigeon-Summoning Ninja ~ Wereduck ~ Waxed on, waxed off on Day 1
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Spider Loving Orcish Astronaut ~ Wereduck ~ Stuffed full of spiders and choked to death on Day 2
Elu Ancalime the Didgeridoo Dwarf ~ Villager ~ Struck by Mod Fire from above on Day 2
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler ~ Villager ~ Boiled, mashed, and cooked in a stew on Night 3
Roa Aoife the Batwoman ~ Villager ~ Not dead, but rejoined her regiment on Day 3
Sleepy Ranger the Exiled Jedi Master ~ Villager ~ Not dead, but departed with a droid on Day 3
JennyHallu the Halfling Mountaintop Guru ~ Wereduck ~ Pitchforked to death on Day 3
Anguirel the Baritone Bird Catcher ~ Hawk ~ Gunned down with an M16 on Night 4
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder ~ Villager ~ Consumed by flames from the Hawk’s cigarette lighter on Night 4

~ The Living ~

Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
Valier the Dwarven Millet Spray Picker
Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
Kath the Rainbow Catcher
Cailín the Bird-portraitist
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker

[mormegil]

Voting from yesterday

Ang voted Morm (Morm 1)
Lote voted Mith (Morm 1, Mith 1)
Mith voted Jenny (Morm 1, Jenny 1, Mith 1)
Cailin voted Jenny (Morm 1, Jenny 2, Mith 1)
Kath voted Morm (Morm 2, Jenny 2, Mith 1)
Nogrod voted Lote (Morm 2, Jenny 2, Mith 1, Lote 1)
SpM voted Morm (Morm 3, Jenny 2, Mith 1, Lote 1)
Morm voted Jenny (Morm 3, Jenny 3, Mith 1, Lote 1)
Valier voted Jenny (Morm 3, Jenny 4, Mith 1, Lote 1)
Jenny voted Morm (Morm 4, Jenny 4, Mith 1, Lote 1)

Glirdan did not vote.

Right now I will trust any and all who voted for Jenny yesterday so Mith (obviously) Cailin, to a degree, and Valier almost 100%. Mith who did you dream of the first night? The reason I ask is that we don't know who the fourth duck is. It may have been Jenny or Spawn but there is a chance that it was the first person you dreamt of. I can't remember if it was Spm or Nogrod. And of whom did you dream last night, as it's most likely your last night. Both Kath and SpM look bad to me as they tied me back up with or put me ahead of Jenny. Now if Saucie was your second night dream then he's innocent and I won't question him. I am looking squarely at Kath. Nogrod's vote was interesting and if he was your first night I don't trust him. Lote was odd but being a newbie I'll forgive it.

[Nogrod]

Firstly. Let's hope Ang took the goose away... for if not, then Mith is the one to look.

Secondly (to my small disappointment), Mith told she dreamed of me the first night (#192) and of Sauce the second (#188). So then Spm should be provenly innocent - if the rules go the straight way (someone turning to a duck the same night as the dream is had should be revealed with that changed identity, I quess?). So I'm a dreamed of innocent - but there is a possibility (1/14), that my role was changed in NIGHT2. I know, that I haven't changed, but naturally its up to you to believe it or not.

Thirdly: I'm not sure, whether voting Jenny is a proof to anyone's innocence. I found Jenny playing weirdly, and I tend to suspect her, whenever she plays, but I still think we were more lucky with her, than skilful.

As to my vote for Lote, I stated my point already in the vote. It's always nice to hear voting interestingly...

[Kath]

So if Nogrod was Mith's first dream then he might not be an innocent anymore yes? Which puts our list back to:

Known:
Mith
SPM

Unknown:
morm
Valier
Nogrod
Kath
Cailín
Lote

However, we are at least rid of the confusion that was Glirdan! Question though, is it possible that neither he nor Mith is/was the Goose? Could Glirdan have decided to 'reveal himself' on the grounds that he thought Mith was the Goose? It sounds a little farfetched I know, I'm just trying to work out if it's a possibility because of course we don't know that Glirdan was the Goose, and I don't know if I can cope with all that confusion again!

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Thirdly: I'm not sure, whether voting Jenny is a proof to anyone's innocence. I found Jenny playing weirdly, and I tend to suspect her, whenever she plays, but I still think we were more lucky with her, than skilful.

I agree but I think it lends credence to the arguement and it's odd that you don't think it has any effect. Look at the facts of the matter. Valier's votes have been fairly non-duckish. Cailin I don't believe is the duck, this is currently and may change. Mith obviously isn't and I know I am. I don't expect anybody to do a detailed anaylsis of Nogrod as he has over 60 posts but I would like to look at his voting pattern.

Plus where is everybody?

[The Saucepan Man]

I’m here! Sorry I’m late.

I was pretty much convinced yesterday that Mith was the Owl and Glirdan was the Goose. That appears to have been borne out by the Night’s events so, unless anything happens to indicate the contrary, I am going to continue working on that basis.

And on that basis, we currently have two known innocents: Mith and myself. We should be able to add another to that list when Mith arrives, assuming that she did not dream of Glirdan.

I am not prepared wholly to discount those who voted for Jenny. Precisely because it suggests their innocence so strongly, any of those votes could have been a Duck-on-Duck vote, calculated to establish credibility, possibly for the remainder of the game. Even Valier’s vote does not establish her innocence, because, for a Duck to vote for morm (a useful villager, if innocent) at that stage would have made her look suspicious. And it would probably have condemned her as and when Jenny was subsequently lynched and found to be guilty.

I remain suspicious of morm too. At the time he voted, it was likely to be either he or Jenny that was lynched. What better time for a duck-on-Duck vote? One of them was almost certain to die. With them both voting for each other, whichever survived would gain great credibility.

Of the non-Jenny voters, Lote, Kath and Nogrod remain unknowns.

I would like to go back and review Nogrod’s contributions post-Day 1, but I can recall nothing that made me question his innocence. Then again, after Mith’s declaration, I was working on the basis that he was a known innocent, and so it is possible that I missed something.

I can’t see that Kath’s vote for morm in itself indicates guilt. Morm was looking very suspicious to me yesterday (and, as I have noted, he still does), so I think it was a reasonable vote. However, combined with her vote from the day before, she is looking suspicious if morm is innocent.

Lote’s vote for Mith I find exceedingly suspicious. Mith is now proven almost certainly to be the Owl. A Duck, suspecting this to be the case, may well have been looking to steer the village towards voting for her, using Glirdan’s (Goosey) declaration to paint her claim as false. Remember that, the day before, Jenny was strongly in favour of believing Glirdan rather than Mith. Perhaps it was the Ducks’ strategy to try to get Mith lynched yesterday and hope to hide their own vote or votes among others’ votes for her. I wonder whether we have been overlooking Lote too much by virtue of her “Newbie” status?

Back later with more thoughts, once I have had an opportunity to review everything once more.

[mormegil]

SpM I fail to see what makes me so suspicous.

A question for D18, if the person who changed to a Duck on night 2 was dreamt of on night 2 what would happen?

[Diamond18]

It depends. I answer dreams as soon as I get them. So, if the dream came before the Ducks selected their kill, the dreamed of would come up innocent. If after the change, Ducky. But I'm not going to tell you which it was, because that would be narrowing down your suspect list for you, wouldn't it?

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by mormegil

SpM I fail to see what makes me so suspicous.

I explained why in my previous post. There are a number of villagers that I find suspicious. I'm hoping that further contributions (especially from Mith) might help in narrowing things down.

The Orclings are calling, so I must go now. I'll be back later and hopefully will have had an opportunity to look back over the last few days then.

[Kath]

Oh morm . . .

Mith obviously isn't and I know I am.

Typo? Or guilty little secret popping out?

SPM, about Lote. I can see that her votes would make her look suspicious, but I just don't think that she is. The 'newbie act' is genuine I think.

My suspicions of morm remain. I don't like that he seems to have given himself 'known' innocent status, therefore meaning anyone who votes for him should immediately be suspected. He is not a known innocent by any means, so this reasoning does not fit. Asking Mith to trust him and not dream of him I also found suspicious, as with Valier, because it is a pretty good cover for a Duck as well as just weird. Why ask not to be dreamt of? Why not ask for the Owl to dream of you? Then you'd be a known innocent. Ok you're more in danger of dying, but having it as fact is still more useful.

Anyone know where Mith is by the way? It would be useful to know who she dreamt of.

[mormegil]

Your answer is adequate and sadly I cannot discount the possibility that our dear SpM is a Duck. Mith, do you remember at which time you dreamt of SpM? Early or late?

[Mithalwen]

Hi ..sorry I am late but I spent about 6 hours revising everything yesterday and had to put my house in order.

I dreamt of Valier. She is innocent. I tried to clarify the situation with Diamond but the upshot is that I can not be certain of either my first 2 nights dreams.

I want to read now but my conclusions are that the ducks we have caught are almost certainly the originals and the reaminder the first nights kill. This makes me suspect Lote and Nogrod more htan before.

Given we have an extra duck I also think it possible that Glirdan was wha he said he was in which case Poor Ang was misguided. But that is a possibility.

I dreamt of Valier because Ang said he was hunting her. Her clinching vote for Jenny seemed persuasive but I wanted to be sure.

More soon..just want to catch up. T

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kath

I don't like that he seems to have given himself 'known' innocent status

No I've only said that I know I am innocent, which I do.

therefore meaning anyone who votes for him should immediately be suspected

I do suspect those who didn't vote for our Duck yesterday and appeared to be trying to save her.

Why ask not to be dreamt of? Why not ask for the Owl to dream of you?

Because there are others I would like to know about. You for example. Again I know I am innocent and I think Mith would be better off not wasting a dream about on me. I do not fear death but I think her dreams are better elsewhere, I gave my opinion like so many others and she by no means had to listen to me.

[Mithalwen]

I think would have sent my dream about 7 or 8pm BST. I don't think that helps but despite our sparring or perhaps because of it, I think SpM was, for once an unlikely , first night target. He and Spawn were seeming to be singing from the same hymn sheet. I think he was too useful alive at that stage and of course everyone suspects Saucey more the longer he stays alive since everyone assumes the beasts will want him gone. I will look foolish if he does proive to be the final duck, but I think his trust in me speaks in his favour..sinceI know it is well placed.... .

I feel less dubious of Morm since Ang's death. I did n't dream of him becasue I thought he was Ang's likely target. I think it would have been a huge risk for a Duckish Morm to attack a known hawk, whose prime suspect he seemed to be.

CAilin and Kath have never figured highly on my suspects lists - they seem to be playing a "straight" game - obviously no one can be discounted completely other than Valier and myself.

Lote and Nogrod are now my main suspects followed by Morm Kath and Cailin.

I had hoped for a little more from Nogrod somehow.. but, I do think Lote needs to be looked at which is a nuisance because she has posted so little.

I said, that a good first kill for werebeasts is a quiet one since they leave few traces. IF, and it is a big IF, that was the ducks tactic then Lote is a very likely candidate. She posted once (I think) on day one and manged to bag a beast. It is quite plausible that made her look owlish even.

Anyone out there?

[Mithalwen]

I don't think we were that lucky with Jenny.... We are so used to thinking that no duck will defend another but Jenny defended both Spawn and Nilp.

I guess I am self obsessed but having reread everything (albeit knowing the tone of voice I intended), I wasn't as "crazed" (grrrrrrrrrrrrrr) and emotional as I was made out to be. You might not have agreed with my reasoning but it wasn't irrational. I genuinely found Spawn's querying of the rules odd and Jenny really overreacted to my aside that she had believed me when I was a wolf...

Apart from residual resentment, I also found it suspicious that she had managed to post, albeit briefly on other threads but not even check in here.

I wasn't the only one to find her guilty seeming. This by the way is my reasoning for thinking her an "ab initio" duck.

[Mithalwen]

Oh Ang - why did you have to hunt Glirdan .. he would have been taken by modfire anyway *wails , gnashes teeth*?

[Valier]

Ok so now the list shortens again...

Known Innocents

Valier
SPM
Mithalwen


Unknowns

Nogrod
Mormegil
Kath
Cailin
Lote22

I think it possible that the Ducks choose Jenny on the second night and she was turned, she would have made a good kill for them since she was not well suspected by the village. This would leave one of the original Ducks left.

Or it could be one Mith dreamt of earlier...

I think either Kath or Mormegil is the remaining Duck

I will read through the posts and see what I can come up with.... I will be back in a bit

[Mithalwen]

Well it is opinion but I suspect that it is the cursed we have left.... but.... could you expalin why Kath.


Thanks for being here!!!! I am glad to have someone certain around particularly... means can speak openly without fear or favour!!!

Cailin I susoect least .. but ... I can't quite say why....

[Mithalwen]

Actually the key to the whole thing is who would the ducks kill on Day 1....

We know that Nilp and one of JennyHallu and Spawn was. If not both then which was the cursed? That also means that we are probably looking for a "fly under the radar" duck if it is one of the original 3 who survives. I will go back to Day 1 - once again.....

[Valier]

I'm not quite certain as to why Kath yet.....She seems to be just out of eye's view...I don't know if that makes any sense I will read her posts again and see if anything stands out, but again I have a hard time coming up with concrete evidence as to why I find people guilty. Jenny was the only one that even remotely surprised me...I thought for sure she was to be found an Ordo....

[Mithalwen]

Well I was far from certain ...it was just the culmination of little things that kept her at the top of the tree.... so it was a good call of yours btw -kudos!

[mormegil]

Let me give a brief run down of Kath's votes.

Day 1 she voted Sleepy to tie him with Nilp at 2 a piece.

Day 2 she voted Morm and put me up 4 to 2 against Spawn and this was after Glirdan's 'revelation'

Day 3 she again voted Morm to tie me with Jenny.

For somebody who claims to be innocent she sure seems to be helping the Ducks out. The goose wouldn't know to whom to help. I know what will be argued, that nobody knows if I am guilty or innocent though if I am innocent Kath looks awfully suspicious, well I say if you don't want to kill Kath today, kill me then Kath tomorrow when it's shown I am innocent.

If I do die today please don't discount the possibility that SpM might be a Duck. I doubt it is the case but the possibility exists. I would hate to see three people left and SpM be one of them and the remaining villagers don't look at him because he's a known innocent. Again I'm by no means advocating killing him at this point just please don't forget this if it comes to that point at the end.

[Mithalwen]

Actually Morm.... I am not likely to vote for you today because I think that you were the prime candidate for both my dream and Ang's victim - unless I read yesterday completely wrong. I am looking at Kath but I am far from discounting Nogrod and Lote if we have a cursed duck.....

[Valier]

Question? So how come Glirdan's role says innocent? Was he in fact the Goose? Diamond never mentioned anything about two Owls! Just the cursed villager, So was he a crazy Ordo or the Goose? and if the Goose, how come it says Ordo as his role after his death?

[mormegil]

Valier the only roles we see at death are the Ducks not goose or hawk, though he was obvious. But if the owl or nightingale die we will not see any thing but ordo.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Valier

Question? So how come Glirdan's role says innocent? Was he in fact the Goose? Diamond never mentioned anything about two Owls! Just the cursed villager, So was he a crazy Ordo or the Goose? and if the Goose, how come it says Ordo as his role after his death?

I think that we do not know any of hte roles after death. I think Ang's is given because it is the only way we get two deaths and he declared himself.

I do suspect that Glirdan was an owl since so much of his distress mirrored mine. But we have to cope with the situation we have which is not knowing.

I wonder if maybe the Nightingale mayhave pulled a brave bluff and not protected me last night? Not expecting a declaration but .... not impossible...

I am suspecting Kath a bit more as I read. Does occur that we should bear in mind that our ducks would have known about their extra and so maybe reactions to my suggestion of 2 owls should be examined? After all they may have either been the most dismissive (believing the cursed was it, or more receptive since they knew the situation was not as it seemed?

I am thinking aloud here becasue I am most likely tonights kill. Just things to consider .. I haven't reached that point in my read through

[Mithalwen]

Why is everyone so quiet.... ? I am so tired..if anyone is there speak!!! I must go soon and I shall not return before night .... please? Anyone..the silence is suspicious at least for hte europeans...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by mormegil

If I do die today please don't discount the possibility that SpM might be a Duck.

Regretfully, I must concede that, as far as the rest of you are concerned, it remains a possibility. There is little I can say to change this, but I can assure you that you will do better to look elsewhere for the remaining Duck.

So, we are left with two “known innocents”: Mith and Valier.

Having reread everything since the start, I have seen nothing to alter my original assessment that Cailín is most likely innocent. That, in itself concerns me, since she is a skilful player and would no doubt be adept at remaining hidden, if a Duck. But it’s not nearly enough to merit vote for her today.

Nogrod seemed genuine (if misguided) in his Day 1 attempt to provoke discussion of Owl strategy. But, there does seem to have been a perceptible change in his approach from Day 2 on. He moved away from discussing strategies and (seemingly) became much more helpful. At the time - I thought the change was for the better and it seemed to confirm his innocence. But now, a change in behaviour from Day 1 to Day 2 looks mighty suspicious. Like morm, he flip-flopped on the Mith/Glirdan revelations - possibly hedging his bets (not knowing which was the Goose and which the Owl)? If the Cursed Duck is the one who remains among us, he is a distinct possibility.

Lote voted for Nilp on Day 1 to put him ahead on two votes. But the Ducks may well have thought that Nilp would not attract enough votes to be lynched, as his traditional Day 1 approach is often overlooked as “Nilp just being Nilp”. A possible Duck-on-Duck vote, then. She believed Mith’s declaration (and followed Mith in voting for Roa). But then, after Glirdan’s declaration, she said she “had a bad feeling about Mith” in the first place” and was “not surprised she is lying”. These later statements very much mirror JennyHallu’s approach to the Day 2 revelations. Yesterday, she continued to believe Glirdan’s claim in preference to Mith’s and voted for Mith - possibly hoping to get Mith lynched? I am now very suspicious of Lote. She could be one of the original Ducks, or (in light of her Day 1 vote for Nilp) she might equally be the Cursed Duck.

I have seen nothing to suggest Duckishness on the part of Kath, other than her voting pattern as outlined by morm. Certainly, if morm is innocent, then Kath’s voting pattern does looks extremely suspicious.

I have already outlined (yesterday and today) why I find mormegil suspicious. Also, on re-reading everything, his defensiveness struck me. Not just yesterday. He has responded to every little suspicion voiced against him with careful reasoning. His suggestion that we might want to kill him today and then, when he is shown to be innocent (as he claims will be the case), kill Kath speaks in his favour. Yet, perhaps it is a ploy to make him look innocent. In any event, it is perhaps not such a bad plan …

So, a number of possible candidates for lynching. I am inclined to vote for Lote, as I currently find the case against her most compelling. However, there may be merit in a vote for morm, since it may either catch us a Duck or identify one in the form of Kath.

Back later with more thoughts and a vote.

[mormegil]

SpM I don't quite understand why 'flip-flopping', as you call it, on the Mith/Glirdan issue is such a big deal. I'm not sure if you were around at that time, I was, and it was incredibly confusing. I wouldn't call it hedging your bets but rather being open minded and willing to accept that either could be the owl or perhaps both. We are still uncertain as Mith pointed out. If only Glirdan had dreamt his last night we would know.

He has responded to every little suspicion voiced against him with careful reasoning.

Have I? I thought I merely found major points and set them straight. I feel like I've been one of the more analytical and helpful individuals here. I've been quoting and bringing up points about others and feel that my analysis of Nilp voters/nonvoters, Jenny, Kath and willingness to accept Glirdan as the owl seem to point to my innocence, but of course in your mind that makes me all the more guilty . You my friend may just be the goose if Glirdan were in fact the owl, because I tend to think Mith may have had a point about it.

[Mithalwen]

Right.

When I did my exhasutive read through yesterday, I came to the conclusion that the last duck was the cursed duck and that it was most likely Lote.

Now I am not sure. Kath seems to be taking a relative backseat. This isn't necessarily suspicious since there have been a lot of noisy players and I know there are RL factors but then, I always suspect people who I know to be very strong are not quite living up to expectations....

Nogrod... I do think he has changed ..he wasn't sorry when I cleared him.... I do feel uneasy....

Cailin, I think innocent. Will be v. surprised if she turns out to be the duck. Apart from her odd little statement of who she wouldn't vote for at the beginning, she has played a very natural game reacting sensibly to the twists and turns.

SpM, though he is no longer a cert, I trust. This may be foolish but he has come up trumps for me and I will stick with him....

Morm - I still think it unlikely he would have gone for Ang yesterday.


So I must choose between Kath, Lote and Nogrod. If we have an original wolf, JKath is likeliest I think.

If a cursed wolf - Lote .... so why am I so uneasy about Nogrod..... because I can no longer trust what I thought I knew....

A few more minutes then I must vote or I will not be safe to drive home - I haven't had a proper nights sleep since the game began .... sorry..but I am exhausted .....

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by moremgil

SpM I don't quite understand why 'flip-flopping', as you call it, on the Mith/Glirdan issue is such a big deal.

It is quite possible that, throughout that whole episode, a Duck would have been looking to hedge his or her bets, not knowing which was the Owl and which the Goose.

That said, JennyHallu, a known Duck, came out definitively against Mith and for Glirdan, which suggests that they may have worked out that Mith was the true Owl. That is why I am currently inclining towards voting for Lote, who adpoted the same approach.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Have I? I thought I merely found major points and set them straight.

Morm. I have reread the whole thread. And I can assure you that you have responded to practically every point made against you. It doesn't follow that you're a Duck. But it looks suspicious to me.

Originally Posted by mormegil

You my friend may just be the goose if Glirdan were in fact the owl, because I tend to think Mith may have had a point about it.

Why? Simply because I suspect you? I think that there are good grounds for doing so.

And, while I have a lot of faith in Mith, I do not share her assessment that there have been two Owls in this village. I think it unlikely that Diamoddess would have misled us so blatantly when she posted the "rules". The only possibility, to my mind, would be that a second Owl was created on Night 2, when the additional Duck was added. But this would be inconsistent with the accounts given by both Mith and Glirdan, who both referred to having had dreams on Night 1.

[Mithalwen]

2 owls is just a theory - and one we will have ot wait to find out. Glirdan's death makes it somewhat irrelevant. But I think a cursed is almost as much a mislead as an extra gifted so I ma not sure that is logical but.... as I say lets not get hung up on it.

BTW I think this is also irrelevant but if perchance I survive the night due to a Nightingale bluff, I may not dream of someone twice.

[Mithalwen]

I have no more reasoning to add and I don't trust my conclusions necessarily.
If we don't get the last (and please Eru it is the last...) duck today, the nightingale will want to consider the best course for the protection of Valier.

I am going to vote for Lote. She may be simply anti me due to knowing Glirdan better but I think her the likeliest Night One Kill. Also she has posted 7 times on this thread. It will be easier to pick the last duck (if she isn't) amid people who have really contributed thanhave someone who has posted so little in the mix.

++Lote22

May Namo judge my fea justly.

Namarie

[Kath]

There's just a few things I want to clear up.

People always seem surprised that I haven't made a huge contribution when we get a couple of Day's into a game. They assume I've made hundreds of posts, been right in the middle of things, but that is actually pretty rare for me. I have to have a huge amount of free time to be able to do that, and even then it isn't common. I lurk more than I contribute. And yet every game people say 'Kath hasn't been contributing as much as usual'. Take from that what you will, I just thought I'd point it out.

Also, why if morm is innocent am I a Duck?

As for Lote. I still can't see her being a Duck. I suppose if she did start off as innocent and then became one the votes do make sense. But, I don't know. I trust Mith's judgement on most things but even so.

Final thing - Nogrod. If we're talking about people suddenly becoming quiet then he's one to look at. He started off with a lot of posting, as usual, and then seemed to back off a lot. If he began as innocent and then became a Duck, that might be why.