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But anyway, whoever I killed... They had it coming They had it coming They had it coming all along I didn't do it But if I'd done it How could you tell me that I was wrong?
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06-07-2015, 01:55 AM | #442 |
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Aww honey now you're just being mean.
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06-07-2015, 04:08 AM | #443 |
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Care to share your vision? To satisfy our curiosity, so that we don't have to wait the whole Night for it?
Yeah, Lottie, *eat* that!
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06-07-2015, 05:18 AM | #444 | |
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That was a good Day, but it's Night now and we have a new task at hand. So which are our viable choices for toNight? Legate then, or do you think Mac needs to be checked? Being safe on the alignment of which one of them would give us (and the Living) most valuable info? Any others we'd need to consider checking: the phantom, Rikae, myself? I guess that would be the widest reasonable list. (I'm kind of excluding Rune as there is probably very little his alignment could tell us - and kind of think that fits to me as well, but you'll judge that.)
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This continuous stuff going in the narrations surely means something, but does anyone have even a decentish idea as to what it could mean? Something to do with the special role? When it is received, when it is fulfilled or ready to use...
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06-07-2015, 08:06 AM | #446 |
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Well, "looked all about themselves" = Nerwen's evesdropping, I suppose
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06-07-2015, 08:09 AM | #448 |
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As far as which one of us to check-
How likely is the village to assume Nerwen was entirely up front? If they would assume, and if it is true, then a Mac check would be pointless. But if she happens to be up to something, or if the info is simply flawed, and the village worries about it, then we'll want to know Mac and so will they. Of course if Nerwen gets night-killed it will be a moot point- how likely do you think it is that one of the packs will kill off Nerwen? Basically I do kind of want to know for certain about Mac, especially since Nerwen, Morm, and Firefoot all gave him votes on Day 2. But at the same time I want to maximize our usefulness, and could we be served just as well assuming Mac's guilt for the time being? Anyway, I will be mostly absent for the next few hours.
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06-07-2015, 08:16 AM | #449 |
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Yeah, I consider it likely Nerwen gets killed toNight (although she may be protected).
Also, my morning brain without coffee keeps thinking Lottie and Nerwen are actually the lovers. Lol. I'll be back after I'm caffeinated. |
06-07-2015, 09:24 AM | #450 |
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I'd say it makes more sense to assume Mac's guilt for now. Of course this could be a catastrophic course of action if Nerwen was pulling our leg, but the real Seer is going to come out sooner or later in either this thread or the other one so the truth would come out eventually anyway. Right?
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06-07-2015, 11:44 AM | #451 | |
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Well, I'd look at it this way: Rune Son of Bjarne - I agree checking him does not make much sense at this moment. Also, he has been killed fairly early, so one cannot also make much based on his associations with people. Aganzir - likewise not much sense, I think we can assume she is the Hunter. Lottie - also I daresay we can assume she is a Wolf. Macalaure - I also think we can be fine with assuming he's a Wolf. If any other circumstances arise, he can be always checked later. But (and what I am about to say is a general point which I would like to underline as the guiding principle of our voting altogether) as of now, people on the Living thread are counting on him being a Wolf, so we won't be bringing any new information to them if we just confirm it. Of course, if we've been fooled, and he's not a Wolf, it would be a completely different matter, but I think so far by probability we should rather look at someone else. Legate of Amon Lanc - obviously I consider it a waste personally, although if there are real doubts, so be it. But honestly, do you think it helps anyone (meaning, the Living, if we communicate it to them)? (And do you think the chance of me being a Wolf is really that big?) Anyway, thinking about that, we've just established Greenie is innocent. The worst thing that could happen would actually be if the people on the Living thread start assuming I am a Wolf, in that case, by all means check me. But we could wait with it until we know what their reactions are. Nogrod - even though he would be one of those I could consider, he has the same problem as Rune - and he said it himself - that there is very little his alignment could tell anyone. I would be all for checking him, but he died so early that connections between him and others are not that many (even though, he hadn't been the most quiet player, so mayhaps...?) Rikae - well. If you permit me, Rikae, you are such an enigma (that's a compliment) that I would be quite inclined to check you. I am not sure it's our priority though. Because if it just tells us you are prey, then well, nice, but didn't help. (Of course that's the case with everyone. I guess now we are just operating on the level of "which of the people we have here is the most likely to be a Wolf hiding amongst us".) the phantom - could also suffer from the same problem as Rune and Nog, although I think he still must have the highest, or almost highest post count on the Living thread. So it might make sense to check him. Even though now he is very sensible and all, and I have no problem with believing him innocent. But again, it might really be helpful for the village. So based on rational calculation, I would suggest possibly the phantom, or either Rikae or Nog. Bonus: based on gut feeling, on the other hand, I would even maybe rather check Rikae. Just for the peace of mind. But whatever. Yeah, probably Phantom, or eventually her, that would be my choices.
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06-07-2015, 12:03 PM | #452 | |
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making it look like I dreamed him innocent. I doubt Mac's pack would have thought I was the seer. And Lottie's pack would have been the most likely one to kill me as a potential seer, because of the way I went after her. Rune: Died early and didn't leave much of a trail, mostly arguing about having a Day 1 lynch or not. the phantom: The fact that he's so determined not to be scryed almost makes me want to scry him. However, there really isn't much his role would tell us. While alive, he talked mostly about game mechanics and, while his ideas were controversial, he himself wasn't. He did help organize the lynching of Nogrod but, as that lynch only really saved the hunter, we can't conclude much from it. As long as we're cautious not to allow him and Mac the chance to sway the vote together, his role doesn't matter much. Legate: Whether or not Legate is a wolf, it's quite possible there's a packmate of Lottie's among those he called innocent. Of course, it's also possible she killed him as a supposed seer who dreamt her "rival wolf" Greenie, but I do think I'd be a more likely target for her pack. Mac's pack could have killed me if it included Firefoot, or if they suspected I was a seer who'd dreamt of Lottie, but considering the way I flip-flopped on Mac, that seems unlikely. But at any rate, the biggest question about Legate isn't whether he's a wolf, but who killed him. If he's a wolf we still won't know that, not knowing what pack he belonged to. Mac: If Mac is not a wolf, we know that Nerwen is bluffing or lying, but that doesn't matter much considering that Lottie was a wolf and both Nerwen's accused wolves are dead. We would know not to chase red herrings in the form of Mac's likely packmates (but are there any strong candidates anyway?) If Mac is a wolf, we'd proceed as we have been, pretty much. Me: Somebody else is probably better at figuring out what good knowing my role would do. I'm an ordo, but if somebody can make a case that proving that would be useful, go ahead and scry me. I can't see one, myself. I think I'd like to give more consideration to Nog. Even though he died early, he was controversial and, if he was a wolf, a packmate of his might have behaved in an incriminating fashion either around the lynch, or knowing a wolf was dead. |
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06-07-2015, 12:15 PM | #454 |
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I've been involved with a totally another project this day but have managed to slip in every now and then to keep myself up to date. Now I'm off to prepare us some late-supper but will join the party then after for a while.
Bur just one supporting comment relating to what Legate just said (and what many of us have said): Rune is not only probably the least informative one of us to check (with me you still have the D1 wagon), but he has also been quite quiet lately which might also mean he's an ordo who just now has much more interesting things to do. I mean, if he were a wolf he'd probably show some more enthusiasm towards the game... I see Rikae has also posted a list. Good. I'll try to make one later on as well. Now, kitchen calls! Btw. did you read my suggestion from early toNight / late yesterDay - that if any of you have nice cross-tables (at least Rikae & the phantom have made arguments like "if x is a wolf s/he can't be that with y or z") could you share them with us, and what are they based on? I haven't had time or effrot to collect such a data and it would be really hard work to start gathering them now. But they could help us with no such data available to get a more clear picture of the situation (and if you let some links or hints as to where you have collected them, anyone could check them for our mutual benefit if it felt like it).
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06-07-2015, 12:19 PM | #455 |
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I haven't made anything like that yet, anyway. But it would be useful.
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06-07-2015, 12:23 PM | #456 | |
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It would be nice to see even more collected effort to be sure, if you have something where to construct it from easily. I mean I'm not saying others should take huge undertakings while I just hang up with other things, but the idea was initially, that if you have some things ready at hand you could just pass to us - and maybe give them a second or thirtd thought yourselves while making a post on them? Anyway, I'm off for a moment now...
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06-07-2015, 12:36 PM | #457 |
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I'm torn.
As much as I'd like to go "told you so!" on all of you, I would also like to actually learn something myself. Legate > Rikae > Nogrod > phantom would be my order, in that case. Not like anybody would listen to me, of course. |
06-07-2015, 12:37 PM | #458 |
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Oh, one thing:
We're eight people with 2 or more wolves among us who would love to prevent our vote from going through. Even though I'm usually against organized voting schemes, I think it would be best if we discussed who to scry but let Agan & Greenie lead the voting. |
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06-07-2015, 12:59 PM | #460 |
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I'm fine with either Legate or Nog (and if you vote for me, I'll follow that vote, since we're better off with me as a known innocent than risking a tied vote and no scry at all).
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You aren't considering the phantom at all, therefore, I assume.
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06-07-2015, 01:31 PM | #463 |
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You really shouldn't have me make the choices here.
I think I'm going with ++Legate I'm leaning innocent on both him and Nog, but I think Legzy is both more sinister and more informative if scried. If you guys decide to go for someone else, by all means do, there's enough of you to make it work. Anyway, that's all from me tonight. Choose well. Sidenote. I probably won't be around much tomorrow, I'll try to drop by once or twice but my participation is likely quite limited.
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06-07-2015, 01:53 PM | #464 |
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Ok, let's not risk splitting the vote.
I mean, we might have enough votes to pick someone else, but say there are three wolves here and the four remaining innocents voted for Nog or me... the wolves could pile on Legate and tie the vote. ++Legate |
06-07-2015, 02:33 PM | #465 |
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Sure sure, so be it.
++Legate Let's also hope the next, whoever dies, will be somebody interesting. Or actually, it would be nice if they were Wolves (for instance if the packs killed each one from the other pack). But yep...
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06-07-2015, 02:36 PM | #466 |
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Out of nine we need 5 votes to be sure it counts.
So I'll add the fourth. ++ Legate And I think we can count of Agan to give the fifth.
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06-07-2015, 02:41 PM | #468 |
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Nine! *facepalm*
I think I wasn't counting Lottie. |
06-07-2015, 03:04 PM | #469 |
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++Legate
Fine by me.
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Well friends don't worry!
++Legate That being done, I'm off to do some actual wolf hunting. (Love the song, Rikae.)
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06-07-2015, 03:13 PM | #471 |
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Darn it you two! I was going to post "Mwu ha ha, now Rune, Mac, Lottie, and I will tie the vote to force no result- better hope for Agan to save you!" but now I can't.
Anyway, yeah, obviously it'd be kind of nice to know instead of suspect things regarding Rikae/Mac/Nog, but I do wonder if Legate is the biggest enigma overall considering Lottie's reveal on the Living Thread ("I killed him because he's the Seer!" would actually make a nice cover for losing a packmate, particularly if he placed the third packmate on his innocent list). So no point in delaying this- ++Legate I'm around for another hour or so before needing to step away yet again.
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06-07-2015, 03:20 PM | #472 |
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In complete seriousness, and with the expectation of receiving an honest result, all games aside-
Lottie, did you truly kill Legate? Mac- did you kill Rikae? Fact is, unless other information contradicts it, we're considering both of you Wolves. Thus- I'm thinking it might be in our mutual best interest to be up front about these kills because- (1) It would help us ALL hypothesize the truth of the Unknown role. (For instance, if neither pack killed Legate I might have a workable theory.) Knowing this information could help both Goods and Bads attempt to impact the outcome in a way beneficial to their sides (just based on having more knowledge). (2) It might help us catch the opposing pack. Now, you might say it could help us catch your own, but your own kill motivations are always going to be shrouded in the usual layer of bluff/double-bluff etc. thus we can't draw better conclusions about your pack than we can the other pack. So if your kill was well thought out that may give you the edge in that we'd learn more from the other pack kill than yours.
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Night kills
I started this thing over 24 hours ago but friends distracted me. Better late than never though!
DAY 1 and 2 opinions separated by ||| Brackets indicate a vague/changing opinion NIGHT 2 VICTIMS phantom suspected: Nogrod, Lottie, Mac, Firefoot phantom found innocent: Aganzir, Boro, sally, Nilp Rune suspected: Greenie Rune found innocent: (Form) ** NIGHT 3 VICTIMS Macalaure suspected: Aganzir ||| Aganzir, (Legate,) Firefoot, Form, sally, Lottie Macalaure found innocent: Rikae, Firefoot, Nilp, Legate, Greenie ||| Rikae, Legate morm, Eomer, Lommy, Lalaith, Mith Rikae suspected: Lommy, Greenie, Mac, phantom ||| Greenie, Firefoot, Lottie Rikae found innocent: ||| Agan, Mac, morm, (Firefoot) Legate suspected: Greenie ||| Greenie, Boro, Firefoot, Lottie, Aganzir, (mentioned earlier but later put on his second-best zone: sally, McCab, Mac) Legate found innocent: (Nog, Lommy, Form, Kath, Shasta, morm, Mith, Rune, Nerwen) ||| Nerwen, Lommy, Mith Some things I noticed:
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I'm thinking about being productive and giving my thoughts about who Lottie's fellows and who the other three wolves might be, but since you guys wouldn't take it at face value anyway, what's the point. Worse, you would probably try to turn it all upside down for any hint of who "my packmates" are. I'll tell you what I think if you believe me I'm innocent. Deal? |
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06-07-2015, 03:56 PM | #476 |
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Oooh! I know! Maybe the special role can commit suicide and be resurrected, but do nothing else.
And maybe that is me. And maybe Nerwen & Lottie really are the lovers and it was all a scheme to get Lottie lynched. And now my ability is redundant. Yup. |
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I'm with you so far, Rikae. So then what on earth was Sally up to if Lottie-Nerwen are together?
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06-07-2015, 04:06 PM | #479 |
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Also, has it already been noted that Lottie's plea to her pack and the village to kill Firefoot may have been cover for someone in her own pack? Telling her own pack (Firefoot) obviously wouldn't make her kill herself, and if the village tries it FF can just tell them not to be silly and do what Lottie wanted them to do, since obviously Lottie can't be trusted. Just saying.
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1. My pack did not kill Rune. I simply found morm's reaction to Sally's suggestion suspicious. 2. My pack did kill Rune, but not primarily because we thought he was a wolf. We did think he might have been Gifted. Like I said, one of these two scenarios is the truth. You may choose which you think is more likely. Seriously? But we worked so hard.
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