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02-02-2011, 04:13 AM | #601 |
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Ok..... more tech problems or just quiet? Hmm.
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02-02-2011, 06:16 AM | #602 |
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I think just quiet. It's an ungodly hour on the US East Coast.
Mith, "on my radar" means "shall be looking at more closely now." Doesn't mean I think you're a wolf. Just means I'm going to be trying to understand you better. Right, well, off to Wednesday. Ick. I shan't be around for another nine hours or so, but I'll try to be talkative when I get back.
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Mith– thanks for your kind words. And my immediate circle are fine.
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And having said that, I think the post of Lottie's at least rules out the "triumvirate" of Lottie, Glirdan and Sally. I can't see a Wolflote rushing in to defend both her packmates as openly as that. Quote:
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02-02-2011, 09:10 AM | #604 |
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Sorry I have just found out that Ang didn't know the board was back and I had a blonde moment and didn't check when we were talking about other things this morning. My fault not his. Really incredibly stupid of me. So blame me for his absence not him.
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02-02-2011, 09:11 AM | #605 |
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Though he does seem to have been having problems still.
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Okay, so before I leave and finish getting read for work, I would like to make a few comment (oh, and forgive me if I tend not to make any sense right now as I'm still experiencing the side effect of my sleeping pills which happens to include groginess and head spinning and the feeling one gets after waking out of an anisthetic):
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Okay, that's all I can really touch on right now as I'm pressing short for time and have to go to work. Be back on later. EDIT: Xed with Mith. By the was Mith, not just him. Seems the Finns are still having troubles.
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02-02-2011, 09:20 AM | #607 |
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To my astonishment, this thing has just started working for me again. I'm going to vote now in case I can't later, technically or indeed in terms of willpower. My primary suspicion of Loslote remains unaltered.
Nerwen, you make a fair point...my initial, tentative triumvirate is indeed more probably wrong than right, as events have indicated. I think a two-sided alliance between Loslote and Glirdan is unlikely, as I intimated above in my Marlene Dietrich werewolf movie scene. How would Loslote have such full confidence in her defence of a useful ally? Yup, by knowing he's innocent because she's not. I know this is what I suggested about Glirdan himself and Wilwa earlier. This time it is much more valid; as Glirdan himself pointed out in his case I quite unsportingly made use of a sentiment that was semi-above-game. Loslote, on the other hand, calmly, securely and fully "within-universe", is I believe ingratiating herself with someone she knows is innocent. I don't think her less substantive defence of sally, on the other hand, rules them out as allies. It is empty, neither one thing not the other, a mental shrug designed to shake off interest in sally just as a wolf partner might wish. I remain for the moment fairly attracted to my shiniest, newest theory that elron is the third wolf. I note that Nerwen and phantom seem attracted to that theory too, and, naturally, that terrifies me. But, for the moment, and indeed the Day ++LOSLOTE I quite earnestly think this is a sensible choice, and I exhort anyone who, in that rare combination, trusts my heart and rates my head, to join me in it
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02-02-2011, 09:26 AM | #608 |
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Glirdan, you have little reason to believe me, I know. But when I construct a theory, I do in large part as a little inquisitorial experiment. It's largely about how seeing people react to suspicion. As far as I can see you passed the test (Loslote flunked and sally skived the date of the exam).
And ironically now the more you doggedly suspect me the more you will conform to my pattern of innocence kind of like the thing about Illuvatar and Melkor, but simultaneously less cosmic and more positive
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A double-lynch is never good, unless both Lommy and Nessa turn up as wolves, or some sort of wolf/cobbler duo. You can't whitewash over the double-lynch as no "biggie", simply because Glorfindel corrected the screw up. Sorry, not going to work. Quote:
I mean I considered just saying..."Dead peeps. Listen to me. Check Nessa. I want to know both identities of the double lynch." However, what good would that do? One, I'm not sure how trustworthy I am to the dead people to even listen. And two, we would be left debating in this thread whether they listened to me or not, and that would get us no where. Look, the fact is, Agan and Shasta are known innocents. The type of players they are, they will both be cracking their whips in the dead thread to help us. They have no reason to lead us astray by telling us how they can give us information and then just not do it. Now we've got to do our part, by telling the dead what we want, so they can continue giving info. The only way to do this is to not debate in circles about it, or hold it off until later like phantom wanted. But by getting a method that tells the dead what we want, and also leaves us a clear trail of "ok this is who the dead would have checked. If wolf they're going to give extra vote odd, if not-wolf even." I won't talk about this anymore. I've said what I wanted to do. Agree with it or don't, doesn't matter to me. Dead. Please Check Nessa Lottie and phantom are topping my suspect list. I think that was an orchestrated double-lynch. And both of their attempts to pass it off as no big deal, with Lottie's "see it was a good exchange, because of Glorfindel!" Not going to convince me a double-lynch is a good exchange. Also with phantom, his post on Glorfindel reeks of standard evil planning phantom. It looks like a good thing, hey Glorfindel tell us who you are and who you saved. We can know two innocents, the wolves will go after you and with all your protections, and returning from death you can give us all these extra days. Looks shiny, yes? Come on phantom, what that post just did was lay out plainly to the wolves why Glorfindel is more powerful if he's killed. Whoever Glorfindel protected is going to be dead, and wouldn't it just be oh so great to the wolves who know who Glorfindel is now? In which event, they don't kill him, so he doesn't have the chance to go to the dead thread, bring us lots of possibly valuable info, as well as come back with 2 protections. That's the flaw in your plan for Glorfindel revealing, you are trying to pass off the assumption the wolves would automatically be forced to kill him if he's revealed. When you know as well as I do, right now Glorfindel is a normal ranger, and wolf packs can work around normal rangers (even if they didn't yesterday). He's much more dangerous hidden, since he can come back more powerful when and if he's killed. If he's no longer hidden, you make it sound like the wolves would absolutely have to kill him, and they would not.
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I dislike the double lynch. I dislike Lottie's part in said double lynch. I dislike Ang, and would be happy with lynching either of them toDay. I still dislike Boro, but can't decide between wolf and cobbler for him (am leaning toward the latter right now) so he's not my top priority.
I want to put a pudding in the oven. I won't be back for a few hours.
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02-02-2011, 11:52 AM | #611 |
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Also....
Dead, please check toDay's lynch. I'd like to know Lommy's role first, and then we can worry about Nessa.
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02-02-2011, 12:29 PM | #612 | |
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Dead- ignore this ridiculous business with us voting on who to check tonight. What you decide to do should be dependent upon the identity of Lommy. If you find her guilty, check our future lynches. If you find her innocent, check Nessa.
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A few points worth considering- 1) Glorfy can pretty well clinch the game with a protection or two near the end. When the population is smaller his odds go up and then of course he can reveal his innocence as well as the intended targets and then there is an extremely high certainty of voting correctly. 2) Glorfy provides the only verifiable innocence check in the living thread. The Seer can't prove himself beyond all doubt, and once lynched he's dead. Glorfy on the other hand can give proven testimony, which when you consider that is precisely what we lack in this game set-up makes him quite powerful indeed. It is perfectly legitimate for the Wolves to consider killing Glorfy consecutive times to be the safest path to victory given those facts, and they'd be much more likely to consider the path if people like you wouldn't try to convince them otherwise! I mean, yeesh, you're the one attempting sabotage here. Keep in mind that if we could've convinced them of the logic in offing Glorfy we would essentially be handing our Seer extra dreams, which was one of the primary points of my plot! And the other primary point of my plot? Well, there is a chance that Glorfy protected the Seer last night, and if so, I'm thinking the Seer would very much like to know that this is his flippin last day among the living!! This is a HUGE factor. If Glorfy reveals and says "I protected so-and-so" and it's NOT the Seer, the Seer needn't hint at any dreams and can thus stay hidden. But if the protection was the Seer, he can then come right out in plain words with his dream choices. Plus as I said before, it's 50-50 that Glorfy saved himself, and in that case hiding accomplishes nothing. But go ahead, Boro, keep yammering. And keep bossing the village into doing pointless things, like the voting in red thing. That is NOT the best solution. The best solution is to leave the Dead open to act according to previous intelligence. Did you suggest the voting alternative in hopes that we will vote not to find out about Nessa? My goodness man, if Nessa turns out to be guilty you will look very bad indeed.
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02-02-2011, 12:40 PM | #613 |
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All this sending of messages has killed all conversation on the dead thread, which displeases me.
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02-02-2011, 12:44 PM | #614 |
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Moddess- It's not OUR fault they stopped talking!!
I promise, if/when I go to deadland, I will talk my head off! It will be my goal to receive a PM from you reading, "Phantom, please shut it".
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02-02-2011, 12:47 PM | #615 |
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Sure it's your fault.
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02-02-2011, 12:51 PM | #616 |
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Oh, they can still debate which odd/even person to vote for. It could make a huge difference after all, as perhaps several of the odds or several of the evens are Wolves/Cobblers. It matters greatly which of us here look to be innocent from the perspective of the dead. If I was dead I would be hotly pushing or ruling out one person or another for my vote.
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02-02-2011, 01:04 PM | #617 |
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But I suppose if they won't debate it, we can do that here for them.
Should you have to vote for an even player, please oh please don't give your votes to Boro. He is a rotter and a cad and he's the reason for this massive snowstorm in the US and the hurricane in Australia. If you have to vote for an odd player, there can be no better decision than a vote for Phantom. He is wise and kind and always brushes his teeth before bed. A model citizen!
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(I do agree on Boro, however. If you give him extra votes, I shall be very put out.) I can personally assure the dead that I have the innocents' best interest at heart, and that while I'm quiet I'm doing all I can to avenge the deaths of Fea, Shasta, and others. Yes, sir. And now, if you'll excuse me, I have hands to kiss and babies to shake. I'll catch up again later.
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The other possibility is that he already knows Lommy will be found guilty and wishes for the Dead to completely waste their next check on a guiltless Nessa. (I seem to have forgotten to make this other point last time. I meant to.) Either way I'm prepared to condemn him. While that may seem ridiculous, I maintain that it was a suggestion that needn't have been made UNLESS he was trying to accomplish something sneaky, whatever it may be. His answer to this will determine how willing I am to start a campaign against him. His determination to argue with me- I don't know if it's the foolhardy attempt of a Wolf to take away any sway I might have (which means he's bad), or an honest bout of suspicion (which makes him good), or a simple desire to pick a fight with me (which means he's a Cobbler).
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A Look at Sally
Again, not including all her points or even coverage of all she said. Too lazy for that.
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02-02-2011, 02:59 PM | #623 |
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On another note - it's getting pretty late here, which means I'll have to go soon. I'd have wanted to check at least someone else before doing so, but somehow I was here later than I had expected.
EDIT: Yay, triple post! Or not yay actually, where is everyone?
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Hmmn. I really don't trust Sally this game, but I'm getting a funny vibe from this too– it seems like A Little Green is just chiming in with the earlier "wolves-hunt-cobblers" talk, when, in fact, Sally has also had "wolf" suspects. The other points are valid enough, though. EDIT: word left out.
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02-02-2011, 03:29 PM | #625 |
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STOP PRESS!
BG has turned up in Mandos!
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02-02-2011, 03:35 PM | #626 |
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Well past bed time once again. I'm going to go with
++ Sally I know this looks silly, but both my more serious suspects died yesterDay and thus I thought to do some advanced rereading and rethinking toDay. I then got some time issues, resulting in me only having enough time to check Sally who I found fishy. So that's it. I should be able to contribute more toMorrow in case I'm still alive. Good night! EDIT: x-ed with two Nerwens. Typical. People turn up just as I'm leaving. Also, BG? What?
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Quick note. I never said cobblers were more dangerous than wolves or that we should lynch them instead of wolves. I disagreed with Phantom's "long live the cobblers" idea, and I didn't want us to forget that the cobblers were dangerous (and in fact I think they can do more damage because they appear innocent to the masses, enabling them to wreak havoc).
I do NOT support a campaign to kill cobblers before wolves. I DO approve of the school of thought that cobblers are POTENTIALLY more dangerous than the wolves. There's a difference. I'll try to get to the rest of Greenie's questions in a bit. My head hurts. >.< ETA: x'd since Nerwen's #624
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02-02-2011, 03:44 PM | #628 |
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Hey, Sally, you double-posted.
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02-02-2011, 03:49 PM | #629 |
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You're imagining things.
(Aka I fixed it. Whoops.)
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02-02-2011, 03:56 PM | #630 |
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So, I was wondering– does the spirit of Blind Guardian retain whatever allegiance it had in life? Or is she now a neutral party? Moddess?
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02-02-2011, 04:02 PM | #631 |
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Her new role is of the same alignment as her original role.
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02-02-2011, 04:27 PM | #632 |
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Thank you, O Moddess.
Well, for once we know what the Dead are talking about (without cheating).
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02-02-2011, 04:58 PM | #633 |
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Speaking of the Dead, who are they supposed to be checking? Nessa? ToDay's lynch? Nessa-only-if-Lommy's-innocent? Or what?
Anyway, I have to go now, so– ++Elra for looking an awful lot like a wolf-cub.
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02-02-2011, 05:32 PM | #635 |
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Okay, more seriously now, I will do a Lottie read-over, as I promised earlier that I would (to either Boro or Ang... can't remember which).
*off to read*
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Well, today's been dreadful, so apologies if I'm seeming a bit, er, grumbly. The working parts of my brain have been smashed to tiny bits and scattered thoroughly, so my vote tonight will probably be more than a little on the random side. I'll read through everything and try to comprehend as much as I can before I cast it, though. (One thing I've noticed so far is that people seem to think Boro has taken his "let's give the Dead suggestions" to the extreme of "we're going to tell the Dead what to do now, and they've got to obey us so we don't get confused and lose". Which in a very brief scan seems to be the case. Which I'm not fond of.......blechh. Must investigate further.) EDIT: x'ed with Phantoms.
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I have a horrid headache at the moment, and am shaking too badly to type correctly (it took me ages to compose this, lol). I'll be back after a nap but if I don't return I wanted to give a heads up as to my whereabouts. Hopefully I'll be back soon. Thanks for understanding!
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02-02-2011, 06:06 PM | #638 |
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REVIEW OF LOTTIE
Day 1 early- Lottie banters. Whatever. She always does. I usually don't put much stock in early banter by serial banterers. Day 1 later- Lottie makes her first serious post and attempts to appear unconcerned with death and takes a shot at Manwe (our eventual lynch). Nerwen soon after makes a nice point about how Lottie's post curiously assumes the innocence of Nog and Shasta. Day 2 early- Makes a list. Critical of Lommy and Boro. Day 2 later- Backs Nogrod. Says Phantom as Cobbler makes Lommy look better, which is odd seeing as a Cobbler has no clue who the Wolves are, so why would a Cobbler attack indicate innocence? Says that leaves her prime suspect at Boro. Day 2 later still- Continues to defend Nog as best she can (in particular talking with me) but eventually votes against him after Agan's "I'm Luthien!" trap. Day 3- Ah, I see Lommy actually brought up the same points from Day 2, and Lottie attempts to answer them. Her explanations aren't complete nonsense. I do at least put stock in her assertion that Cobbler is probably ruled out for her. She's either innocent or Wolf. Her comment about Fea not being a strong Seer candidate seems to imply that she's gone over people with a Seer comb, though of course even innocents do that sometimes. Day 3 later- Says she's okay with offing Lommy or Nessa, but prefers the latter. Moves to a more firm Nessa position. Votes to cause the tie. In her defense it easily could have been a cross-post, but of course if she had been keeping track of who was around and which way they were likely to vote she could've seen it coming. Day 4 early- Her reaction to Ang placing her in a pack of three is to defend herself and the others. I may be mistaken, but a more innocent reaction would be to fear that you are being tied to Wolves, since they do like to tie themselves to innocent (to bring them down if they happen to fall). I would think an innocent would be a bit more paranoid about that possibility, where as a brilliant Wolfish response might be to appear innocent by defending everyone involved and in the process possibly win over those you are linked to, which goes back to the Wolves linking themselves purposefully with innocents. After the lynch (both yesterday and today) she seems quite apologetic about causing the double, which might make me more suspicious of her. I mean, she did say that she could see lynching both of them, and she certainly favored Nessa dying and her vote killed Nessa, so why be sorry? I can only assume it's a show for appearances. So okay, you know what? Going into this reread I really don't think I had much of a bias, but Lottie now is looking quite bad to me.
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Where is everyone?
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