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01-26-2011, 06:47 PM | #121 |
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Good to see Glirdan back again. Not voting him now.
From the last list of mine I could vote for pure annoyance of not playing: Mänwe for evading any commitment to any view: Sally Elron for the above + overdoing the banter: Lottie But the problem is they are more or less all the "usual suspects" and as such they are shots in the dark. I'd like to vote for Shasta as he gives me bad vibes right now, but I'd hate to vote from grounds that are at least in part arising from feeling of receiving an evil intended vote.
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01-26-2011, 06:49 PM | #122 | |
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So basically, this plan is bunk. I'm tempted to go with you on the seer-death-with-a-plan idea. The biggest problem is, here's how I would address it as a wolf: Day time WolFea: I'm the seer! Night time WolFea: Hey other wolves, if you Night kill me, the village won't find out I'm not actually the Seer, because they won't be told my role! Dead Threaders vote for people WolFea tells them to. At some point the real seer counter-reveals but has absolutely no way to prove themselves. I mean, there's no good reason for the good guys to believe anybody who says they're the seer, so setting up a plan where we trust somebody who says they're the seer? Is full of danger.
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01-26-2011, 06:50 PM | #123 |
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Anyone who is killed by wolves isn't a wolf. But they can be a cobbler (I still think that term is ridiculous - maybe just 'turncoat', traitor, etc? It's basically the newer and less dramatic Cursed Villager, come to think of it). And the spirits in Mandos can't even check them if they are cobblers. So the Dead do have it hard, harder than I initially assumed.
This makes phantom's point about Cobbler survival, and Fea's riposte to it, the most interesting points I've taken in so far. I was utterly convinced by the good intentions of both statements, but the latter one, that wolves can pretend to be cobblers, does trump. Pessimism in ascendant. Ho-hum. Still, I don't want to see either of these theorisers hang yet. Fea's game indeed is quite a formative comparison which I remember with frankly frustrating accuracy. Someone used the word "dangerous" in an odd way, about innocent and helpful dead, but I've lost track of who (I'd guess Aganzir) and actually I think such semantics can be overplayed Basically, this version of Tol-in-Gaurhoth makes or breaks the analyst player (as opposed to the "crazed intuition/half-baked arrogance" player, me). The rules are so knottily intense that they still have us thinking about them, not each other. At this stage, the game is overwhelmingly more fascinating than the players. I notice by the by that some people seem to think Thinlomien is more than usualy, almost suspiciously, incompetent - I don't agree with this at all; this is a totally novel sort of challenge and I feel utterly incompetent myself. It's very hard to judge on 'past form' in this one... (and that's one of my favourite techniques) I'm a bit suspicious of Nogrod for sticking up for me at one point. Sorry about that. We Feanorians can be dead ungrateful (though I hope yet to be grateful dead).
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01-26-2011, 06:52 PM | #125 | |
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What it made me wonder- is she possibly a Wolf and wishing for us to think too much about Cobblers, particularly if she planned at any point to gain innocence by throwing a suspected Cobbler under the bus, knowing full and well that the Cobbler would serve her purposes just as well in the Dead-Thread, in which case her high opinion of what the Cobblers are capable of could be read as, "You guys better be coming up some good stuff to help us!!" At least that's the gut-reaction reading I took from her post. So, while my reasoning is entirely different, I am at this point okay with lynching Lommy today. In fact the idea enters my mind of Greenie wolf-on-wolf voting Lommy today under the premise "She's a Cobbler!" and if it's proven that Lommy is in fact guilty, but of Wolvery instead, Greenie may look doubly good (willing to lynch baddie but wrong about Wolvery, since surely a Wolf would have the sense to accuse a fellow Wolf based upon Wolvery to buy herself some credit, if you follow me).
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01-26-2011, 06:58 PM | #126 |
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Okay.
++ Shasta He didn't for a moment consider what I (and tp) were saying, but decided that it was a way to stage a suspicion: two people having similar opinions and wishing people to listen to them. Also I think he very cleverly decided to vote me because I wouldn't be here to talk back near the DL unlike tp. What's more, I'm speaking for the good of the village in mind - and everyone reading back what I've said and thinking about it sees it is true. But if Shasta is a wolf, he knows I'm speaking against their interest. And if tp is an innocent too (a view I'm slightly leaning over right now even if I can't be totally positive about it), then any trust forming between the innocents would be bad for the wolves. So those people should be done away with asap. EDIT: X'd with tp & Agan & Ang & Fea...
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01-26-2011, 07:03 PM | #128 |
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we learn from this that poor old Uncle Anguirel is too tired to spell "usually" properly.
...but I intend to try and camp out till the deadline yet...
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01-26-2011, 07:05 PM | #129 |
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I have to leave very soon, but I'll be back and posting during the final hour. Based purely upon gut- I'm not completely happy with lynching Shasta or Nog, I know nothing at all about Nessa and Manwe, and Lommy is a decent choice based upon my previous post. That's all I have time for now.
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01-26-2011, 07:09 PM | #130 | |
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01-26-2011, 07:15 PM | #131 | |
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01-26-2011, 07:18 PM | #132 | |
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I'll pick the venue, you pick the weapons.. Now for the quiet ones- satansaloser2005- A post, banter.Good. Fea - two posts, general.Good. A Little Green- three posts before voting, general, casts a number of doubts. backing, moderate or poor. elronds_daughter- two posts, general. Was innocent last game after similar start.Good. Glirdan- two posts, banter, third post general. Good. Much like Manwe. Wilwa- no post, quiet as last game and turned out to be a wolf. Nessa- two posts, general. turned out to be a wolf in the last game.veering, moderate or poor. I'm going to vote, as I do; ++A Little Green I think you might be..he's fishing isn't he?
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01-26-2011, 07:23 PM | #133 |
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Shasta - is fully of shenanigans, but I'm not all together concerned that they're wolftastic ones. Reserve the right to change my mind. Not voting for him.
Nogrod - is observant and talkative. I approve of both things. Not voting for him, unless I decide he'd be super useful once Dead. Aganzir - is pretty on top of seeing pros and cons in different courses of action. Worth keeping around because she offers prompt and honest critique of ideas. Legate - seems coherent. Didn't set off any alarm bells and posts with enough content to keep me docile in terms of his life span. Lommy - Ditto what I said about Legate. the phantom - is offering ideas. Knowing him, the ideas are both solid suggestions and veiled tests. Also knowing him, we won't find out who passes or fails the tests. However, still knowing him, he's useful. Boromir88 - amuses me. Speaks sense. Atta boy. Mithalwen - Sensible. Concise. I love concision. Anguirel - makes astute observations about the dynamics between players and rules. I'd like to keep him around purely because he rocks the logic. Glirdan - ... A Little Green - ... elronds_daughter - ... Mänwe - ... Nerwen - ... Loslote - ... Wilwa - ... Nessa - ... Blind Guardian - ... satansaloser2005 - ... So obviously if I haven't formed an opinion, you're up for my vote. My general plan is to Deadify somebody that is active enough that they'll be useful Dead (as opposed to Deadifying somebody that will do nothing of value in the Dead Thread). So don't be surprised if I vote for somebody that seems active and rational: it's not that I want to kill awesome good guys, it's that I want to ascertain that the purpose of the Dead Thread isn't mucked up via us staffing its walls with mutes.
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01-26-2011, 07:28 PM | #134 | |
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Instead we lynched the Seer on Day 1. Shasta was that Seer. He made the same over-defensiveness then as he is now, and a Wolf/Cobbler Shasta would not be so blatant to draw THAT much bad attention to himself. He is definitely safe from my vote. I'm actually not entirely understanding where all this supsicion of Lommy is coming from. I'm going to have to go back and read just her posts to understand some stuf. As it stands, I'm still leery about Agan....he still seems way to Cobblery to me. If we can't get a Wolf, I would much rather get rid of a Cobbler and limit the Wolves out-voting capabilities at the end. Xed with Fea
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01-26-2011, 07:31 PM | #135 | |
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This tension between Nogrod and Shasta worries me somewhat. Hrmmm.
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01-26-2011, 07:37 PM | #137 |
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Right. Must go. Voting.
++Nogrod Partly because Shasta's overreaction makes him seem innocent. And if Nog's not guilty, then he'll be a helpful ghost.
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01-26-2011, 07:38 PM | #138 | |
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But, with that said, my Day 1 vote will probably be random, and based on knee-jerk reaction, in a wonderfully useless fashion. I'd like to be grateful dead too.
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01-26-2011, 07:41 PM | #139 |
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As time here passes away, I need to sleep and can't fight back against this bad idea spreading. So just read what I've said and make wise choises.
Agan - even if I think her innocent - on the contrary makes hasty choices. It is a debatable point whether we should lynch the "quiet" or "under-radar types" here or not. I do think they are easier to find out about in Mandos than here as it will be obvious some of the more active ones will end up there anyway. But as I said, the merits are relative. Heh, sorry Elron... Oh, I see Shasta is back... Well, an interesting reaction. After you have cooled down, let us hear why what I have been talking about, since my very first post, is bad or evil or suspicious? Start from #40 - it started the whole discussion and you can see I'm not parrotting others but actually making the points from the get-go - that I think was your stated reason to vote me but it just betrays you haven't even read the thread, right? Or that you act like you haven't? If you're innocent (which your reaction doesn't quite support), then you should blame yourself if things go wrong for you or me. Okay, Good night now. I still have a five hours to sleep if I go right now. EDIT: X'd again with a host...
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01-26-2011, 07:43 PM | #140 |
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As in, they're Hamlet and Laertes, Balin and Balan, Turin and Beleg (hasn't happened yet, but there is acute foresight amid the kin of Feanor, whatevs)? Yeah, I agree, for now. While it is irksome that they're becoming the lead candidates, the price of caution is standing by to watch the stoning of the more conspicuous...
Manwe is surprisingly acerbic though that may be a stylistic thing. elronds_daughter - I'd be more comfortable calling her Celebrian, but then again maybe Elrond (as yet unborn) had another sprog - makes a very sensible point about the compromises entailed in our lynching. Basically, within our category of suspects, we should go for the most vocal one. There's more to gain from a punt on the phantoms of this world than a pure shot in the dark; though killing a vocal player is admittedly disastrous if they're...shoe fetishists addendum: crossed 'Celebrian', Nessa, Nogrod
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01-26-2011, 07:52 PM | #141 | |
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I think this may have just been more fuel for the fire...
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Hello, again. I don't have time to post at length, or read the thread properly– however firstly can I suggest we try and avoid a mass-slaughter toDay? I think that's going to be more likely to help the wolves than the village. I mean, the dead are still dead, right? They don't count in the tally.
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Okay. Dead tired, so if I fall asleep before voting, blame the fact that I've had a pretty insane past few days and I'm snuggled in bed watching season two of Buffy. I'm *trying* to be awake for deadline, but I make no promises.
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01-26-2011, 08:02 PM | #144 |
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Ouch Fea, re Elrond and his brats. What can I say. It's been a while...
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I know it's early, buuuuuut....
I'm going to do a quick analysis of Lommy's post.....all three of them
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POST #76 After three posts (all of which, may I add were pretty well close together [ie. 62, 64, 76]), she votes Manwe, who had one post at the time and was basic banter. Okay, I think I kind of see everyone's point on her now. She seems a little, wish-washy, for lack of a better word. And her reasoning for her vote for Manwe could just as easily be applied to about five other players, myself included. It seems like it's a throw away vote. But if that's the case, why not just say it's a throw away vote?? EDIT: X'ed since my last
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I don't like the way he seems to be sitting back and laughing at the 'spat' between Shasta and Nog, but what's worse is he then pokes and prods them in a seeming attempt to escalate the fight more. By pointing out the one line in Nog's post that could be taken the wrong way, Mänwe's making things worse, not A) ignoring it so we can move on and try to hunt wolves or B) trying to resolve the fight so we can move on and try to hunt wolves.
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01-26-2011, 08:36 PM | #147 |
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Sorry, but I've gotta get in my vote before DL! (Even if I'll probably miss everything )
++Legate Because he voted me. And he's useful/won't muddy the waters in the dead thread. Dear heavens, someone shoot me. I just made the worst vote ever, didn't I?
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01-26-2011, 08:37 PM | #148 |
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I find myself having trouble concentrating anything after being referred to as Bobbler. Nice one Greenie.
I actually feel quite good about Lommy, even with that completely erratic cobbler hinting thing that I supposedly did...? I think Lommy's just trying to recover from smashing up her bororadar from the last few games that she is forcing herself into seeing everything I do as some twisted evil plot, as a form of revenge. Even if I think she had a nice working bororadar. It just needed updating, like a 2.0 version, or Bororadar Premium Edition.
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01-26-2011, 08:38 PM | #149 |
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Active enough to be useful in the next life, not so active I'll miss her desperately in this one. Voting now because I'm not going to be awake for DL (especially since B88 informed me that DL is an hour after I'd thought it was). Literally can't keep my eyes open. Nighty night, all.
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Sorry I did my old lady doze off on the sofa thing. Hope I have another hour..*yawn* but have to say random stab in the dark and Somnus look good now...
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01-26-2011, 09:01 PM | #154 |
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Well, because it's quiet.....
I wouldn't usually double post, but seeing as it has gone dead....
The voting count stands thus: Lommy ++ Manwe Legate++Nessa Greenie++Lommy Shasta++Nog Agan++Nog(2) Nog++Shasta Manwe++Greenie Elron++Nog(3) With these people remaining to vote Glirdan Nerwen Loslote Wilwa Legate Nessa Blind Guardian satansaloser2005 the phantom Boromir88 Mithalwen Anguirel Fea Out of these, BG and Wilwa have been no shows (no I have not heard from my darling butterfly so don't ask) Now if I HAD to do a suspicions list (which it seems like I do seeing as no one is around to make conversation with ) it would be as this Inclined to Trust Phantom - As much as it KILLS me to not want to vote him and see him join the mob of Fenrises, he has made far too much sense and his ideas and thoughts to bold to be a phantywolf.....although, it is phantom and this could be exactly what a phantywolf would want. Either way, I'm more inlcined to trust him and keep him around. Shasta - After that, albeit, overreaction to Noggy, I'm more inclined to trust him (please read my post #134 for the full explanation Fea - Even in her very few posts, Fea has made what has to be the most sense out of everyone that I have seen post today Agan - She's been here for the better part of the Day, making very good contributions and talking perfect sense in my opinion Leery of Lommy - see my last post Ang - There was something in his earlier posts that have just made me feel uneasy about him. I don't entirely suspect Wolf, but Cobbler is definitely coming to mind when I read his posts Boro - All day, his attack (okay, maybe that's a little too strong of a word...his, thoughts and ideas will suffice for this) on [/b]Nog[/b] just made no sense to me. Granted, Nog has me a little baffled, but that's not unusual. But Boro's has been pretty adamant about it....I don't know, something just feels off. Mith - Most of her posts have been nothing but banters and that bugs me. Something about it is just not sitting right. Unsure [b]Nerwen/b] - Her first few posts of the day were all banter, then she disappeared for the better portion. No idea what to make here. Noggins - This is nothing new for me...he always has me confused and by midday on Day 2, we'll be knocking heads Greenie - I haven't seen enough of her to say anything really. Legate - I actually just remembered he was playing....oh wow.....bed time..... Lottie - I really just have no idea about her... ?????????????? Manwe Nessa Elron The three above have posted like three to five times each, most of which was banter, some of which had little to no substance in their posts and have been absent for the better part of the day. Sally - Hasn't posted much....BUT did inform us she may not be able to and that she may not be voting. No Show Wilwa BG I won't vote for the no shows. For one, I'm sure miss butterfly has a perfectly good explanation for not being here, for another I will give them the one day grace period. I will not vote for [b]Sally[b] as she has explained herself quite well. I will not vote for any of those under the Inclined to Trust list as I want to keep them around. Seeing as I want to hear more from Manwe, Elron and Nessa, I will also give them a one day grace period. Which leaves everyone else.....Okay, will be back to vote shortly. EDIT: Xed since last (turns out I didn't double post )
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Dead right Nerwen - while Fea was right to bring up the compromise between catching wolves and creating useful spirits, to vote primarily with the latter aim in mind - as I think she, among others, has done - seems to fall too far on the wrong side of that compromise.
You happen to be the object of Fea's privileging of ghost above gaur, but that is for the moment irrelevant; the larger point being that of the reasoning she presented for voting for you, none of it was anti-wolf rather than pro-ghost. On the other hand I don't yet suspect Fea herself. The fact is that the exciting thing going on is the contribution of the dead, so it's a natural step to concentrate on the Dead rather than the Living because of their novelty. It's easy to forget that our real aim is still exterminating the wolves. For large parts of today, indeed, I have. At least the case against Nogrod is one built on genuine, if very slight, suspicion. I'd rather vote for Manwe, but I don't think yet another candidate at this point - a relatively taciturn one too - is necessarily helpful...
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I didn't realise Manwe already had a vote, that invalidates one of my objects to persecuting him.
On the other hand, quite tempted to the vote in hot blood for the next chancer who dares call me a cobbler...
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01-26-2011, 09:09 PM | #157 |
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As far as Nog versus Shasta, upon rereading Shasta's post I'm more than ever leaning towards both of them being innocent.
Glirdan has already expressed most of what I would say regarding Shasta's defense (it shouts "innocent" to me as much as anything I've seen from anyone today). Similarly, when I look at the way in which Nog accused Shasta, while it may be wrong it does not strike me as invention. His claim that Shasta particularly went after him rather than me based upon who would be around at the deadline- it really sounds like honest paranoia and annoyance. If I recall I have actually been chided for doing the same thing- always assuming that all the baddies are out to get me in particular, and so if someone did to me what Shasta did to Nog I can well imagine having a "Ah ha! Trying to kill me, eh?!" reaction to it, and building the case from there.
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01-26-2011, 09:09 PM | #158 |
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Ah another hour, another list ergo another suspect...
Less than 24 hours in and I am not sitting right with someone "check" flying under the radar "check" Quite disappointed noone has cursed day ones... But Fea loves me... and is squabbling with Ang. Joy... to be honest my voting this game may be skewed by the fear of "Huis Clos" situations in the next world. Hoping whne my time comes it will be more Apres Vie...
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01-26-2011, 09:10 PM | #159 |
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I'm completely lost on this entire voting for people to be good to control the dead thread. Umm, am I mistaken in believing we win by lynching wolves in the living thread? I'm sorry I'm just not understanding this logic of filling the dead thread with people we actually think are innocent...? Why are we even planning this?
1) We win by killing wolves in this life, not by filling the dead place with innocents. Am I foolish in thinking those two things contradict? 2) Simple numbers work out that innocents will control the dead thread. It serves the wolves little good to get lynched, or they lose. Maybe one wolf would start going to work if lynched, but that's not something we should concern ourselves with. And even if Cobblers seek to get themselves killed to work beyond the grave, they don't know who the wolves are. 3) What's so special about the dead thread it MUST UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES be in the control of the innocents or we're doomed? Someone from the living thread gets 2 votes...that's all yes? It's not like the dead are choosing an unstoppable force each day in the living thread, one person gets one extra vote. So, let's end this silly "we should think about keeping the control of the dead thread in the hands of the innocents" when the real problem should be, handling the business of this thread...lynch wolves.
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01-26-2011, 09:15 PM | #160 |
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Voting-
Lommy ++ Manwe Legate ++ Nessa Green ++ Lommy Shasta ++ Nog Agan ++ Nog (2) Shasta ++ Shasta Manwe ++ Green Daughter ++ Nog (3) Nessa ++ Legate Fea ++ Nerwen
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