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Old 01-10-2003, 01:50 PM   #1
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What is the correct pronounciation of "Tolkien"?
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Old 01-10-2003, 02:04 PM   #2
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There's an interview clip of Christopher Lee pronouncing it correctly as he says "This is the very essence of Tolkien." or something along those lines. It's included in some of the trailers and on The Fellowship of the Ring DVD, I think.

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Old 01-10-2003, 06:07 PM   #3
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Since this thread is called 'How do you pronounce', how do you pronounce 'Feanor'?
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Old 01-10-2003, 06:38 PM   #4
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I pronounce it Fay-en-awe, but thats just me.
I say Tolkien as Tolkin so there! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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I always pronounce Feanor as "Fee-nor". If it turns out to be wrong then I can throw it in my(rapidly growing)pile of mispronounced words to join Seleborn, Siridan, Tolkin and Morgorth. I think I read these names to fast or something [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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I always pronounced Tolkien as Tol-keen and Feanor as Feh-ah-nor.
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Old 01-11-2003, 05:19 PM   #8
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"Faynor" is how i say it..
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I've always presumed that "Tolkien" is a German name, and thus "correctly" pronounced "Tol-keen"--following German pronunciation rules in which the second vowel in an "i-e" "e-i" combination is the one pronounced.

But in my experience, English speakers tend to fall back on English pronunciation "rules" when pronouncing German words. "When two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking." [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Thus, Tol-kin.

Anybody know how the Tolkiens say it?
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Old 02-22-2003, 04:16 PM   #10
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I used to always pronounce the "ea" connection as "ae" (phonetically)... but since they pronounce Smeagol "Smeegol" (or smigol phonetically) in the movie, my chi has been messed up.
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Old 02-22-2003, 04:46 PM   #11
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This may sound stupid, but I pronuce Tolkien Tol-keen sometimes and Tol-kin other times. Dunno why. Also, I say Fay-nor and Smee-goal.My brother and I debate the way to say Eomir and Eowyn. Can anyone help?

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Old 02-22-2003, 04:54 PM   #12
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Does Feanor have the two dots over the 'e'? If so, then it is pronounced 'Fee-ah-nor.' Otherwise, it should be pronounced 'Fee-nor.' I always say 'Fee-ah-nor.'

Since both Eomer and Eowyn have a dash over the first 'e', it should be pronounced 'Ee-oh-mer' and 'Ee-oh-win.' The 'e' in Smeagol also has a dash over it so it should be pronounced 'Smee-goal.'

I'm 97.3% sure that this is right. Hope it helps!

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Old 02-22-2003, 05:02 PM   #13
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i dont know how to pronouce Eomir but i think you pronounce Eowyn A-o-when. At first i pronouced it E-o-when.
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Old 02-22-2003, 05:07 PM   #14
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E-O-mur

E-O-win

still Faye-en-or and Tol-kin

What about Thranduil??

I always forget what is spelt and say Tharandool, completely wrong but who cares, its my enjoyment.
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Old 02-22-2003, 05:17 PM   #15
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Wow, I'm complely wrong. I always said A-o-Mare,and A-o-win. I say Thran-do-ill. But everything I say is horribly mispronouced. Don't really care though. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 02-22-2003, 05:23 PM   #16
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You may not because in the movies Eomer and Eowyn were pronounced that way.

Me and my little sister have this debate on how to pronounce evenstar. I think its heavenstar(without the h) but she thinks its evenstar like a even number. How do you pronounce Evenstar is my question?
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I say Tol-kee-en. I firmly believe that is correct. And i say Fay-nor.
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And I say thran-du-il
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I usually say Fee-ah-nor but I'm not real good at figuring out how to pronounce things so don't pay attention to me.
I say Tol-kin and Tol-keen whichever I feel like at the moment.
My brother and I have almost always pronounced Smeagol Smee-oh-gull which is probably wrong.
I pronouced Eomer and Eowyn Ee-oh-mer and Ee-oh-win until recently. Now I say Ae-oh-mer and Ae-oh-en
I have no idea how to pronounce Thranduil but I usually say Thran-due-ill
I think that evenstar is pronouced Even-Star as in Evening star.
Does anyone now how to pronounce Earendil? Is it Ear-en-dill?
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Air-in-dil i belive.

Ešr is pronouced air like Ešrwen would be prounoced Air-win.
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How about "Maedhros"??

I really have no clue how to say it so I just call him Albert.
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May-thr-O-s

with the thr sound hard (almost like a zzzy kind of sound, i cant explain, oh wait, say th but like a bee buzzing and ull get it)
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I prounonce it May-head-ros, for some odd reason, which is problely wrong.

How do you pronounce Laurelin, Uinen, Niniel, Nienna, Nimphredil, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Namare and Telperion?

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There is a pronounciation table in the back of the Return of the King. Pronounciation and language was, of course, something Tolkien was really specific on (unlike a lot of things we discus here), and the experts are in the Languages forum, that Doug pointed out. I always say Tol-keen. Cheers!
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Laurelin - low (as in allow) re (read) lynn (the name)

Uinen - Ooohh-nen or sumtimes ohh-nien (even though thats wrong)

Niniel - Nin-E-el

Niennor - Knee-en-oar

Nimphredil - Nymph-read (i have read) dil

Nirnaeth Arnoediad - Nur-neigh-ith Ar-know (or sometimes noy) -dee-ad

Namarie - Nam (Vietnam)-ar-E

Telperion - Tell-pear-E-on
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My personal favorite mis-pronunciation is "Gan-dolf" instead of "Gan-dalf".
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I listened nearly all of the way through Martin Shaw's incredible readin of the first part of the Silmarillion [up to the chapter 'Of Men' and was delighted to hear his pronunciation of so many things I was iffy or wrong on.

Of course I am presuming his pronunciations are correct because he executes them with such skill and authority.

But I can not imagine that he did not take theime to either follow the pronunciation guideor ask CJRT or someone reffered by him.

Can't recommend those tapes [or discs] enough.
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Well this is one thing I have had a very hard time saying, how do you pronounce Mithrandir? Gandalf's elvish name, I never know how to say it.
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This is how I pronounce everything:

Tolkien = Tolken

Feanor = Fay ah nor

Smeagol = Smee ah gol

Eomer = Ay oh mer

Eowyn = Ay oh win

Thranduil = thran du ill

Evenstar = Evenstar

Earendil = Air en dil

Maedhros = No idea, I say Made ros

Namarie = Nam ar ee ay (doesn't the E have a dash as well?

Gandalf = Gandelf
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Namarie - Nam (Vietnam)-ar-E
I'm sorry. I thought I wasn't going to post in this thread but I guess I must.

Namarie: Na-mar-e-ay.

WARNING: this thread is quickly becoming nonsense in a forum that isn't supposed to be nonsense. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] In the back of ROTK (and the Sil) there is a pronunciation guide for each letter. Take that, and let an expert in phonetics/linguistics (Tolkien himself) guide you onto the straight path.

As for Tolkien; if a person who HAS the last name "Tolkien" (IE Christopher Tolkien) pronounces it "Toll-keen", then "Toll-keen" is the correct pronunciation.

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Shouldn't the 'd' in Galadriel be pronounced with a slight 'th' sound and not with a hard 'd'? Like /ga-LATH-ri-yel/ ? Just asking. Because Christopher Tolkien says it's /METH-ros/ for Maedhros...
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it doesnt realy matter how you pronounce them as long as it you like the wat you say it
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Shouldn't the 'd' in Galadriel be pronounced with a slight 'th' sound and not with a hard 'd'? Like /ga-LATH-ri-yel/ ? Just asking. Because Christopher Tolkien says it's /METH-ros/ for Maedhros...
No, it shouldn't be, because there is no 'h'. 'dh' should be pronounced, according to Appendix E, like
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Also, Ešrendil should be pronounced like Ay-AH-ren-deal, according to Ardalambion, which tends to be highly reliable. Cate Blanchet totally mutilates this in the movie.

Personally, I am very annoyed over the pronunciation of Smťagol in the movies as SMEE-gull. …omer and …owyn are pronounced like AY-oh-mer and AY-oh-win, which I agree with, so by the same logic, Smťagol should be pronounced like SMAY-uh-goll ("goll" rhyming with "doll"). Anyway, since I am not an expert on this by any means, please visit Ardalambion and download their excellent Quenya lessons, which have a good pronounciation guide. Also Fellowship of the Word-smiths is quite helpful for linguistic questions.
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You're right, Ardalambion is very reliable, which is why I think it's you who made a mistake, not Helge:

<sub>"The position of the 'accent' or stress is not marked, since in the Eldarin languages concerned its place is determined by the form of the word. In words of two syllables it falls in practically all cases on the first syllable. In longer words it falls on the last syllable but one, where that contains a long vowel, a diphthong, or a vowel followed by two (or more) consonants."</sub> (LR, Appendix E)
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If you look in the Etymologies in the Lost Road and other Tales, it gives you a bit of background on the names of many characters, which help you a lot in pronunciation.


FŽanor --> Fay-ah-nor

Smeagol --> Smay-a-gol

Earendil --> Ay (as in angel)-ah-ren-dil

I highly recommend Ardalambion as well, since Helge is one of the few authorities on Languages, Pronunciation, etc. that I trust implicitly.

Also, one thing that would help when you're looking up pronunciations, is, pretend that you're a baby and you're learning a language for the first time. Do NOT try to Anglicize the sounds that you see, try to get your tongue to get used to pronouncing letters in a different way. If you treat yourself like a baby learning a language for the first time, it will help you get over the impulse to Anglicize all the sounds.
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Found this on the Encyclopedia of Arda;

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1 The first syllable of …omer's name is pronounced approximately like the English word 'ear'.
2 The ťo- element of …omer's name is surely 'horse', but -mer is less certain. It is most likely derived from Old English maer, meaning 'famous, glorious, heroic'.

Im not sure how correct their sources are, but it maks sense.
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[img]smilies/redface.gif[/img] Yes, that was my own mistake. My sincerest apologies. I have a very bad memory and couldn't find the part I was looking for in my Quenya lessons. And I'm glad I haven't been totally wrong on the pronunciation of Smťagol. It makes me feel a bit better about my many other mistakes.

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Okay, this is from the Silm.

maybe it'll help

C is ALWAYS pronouced K, so Celeborn is KELEBORN not CELEBORN

CH is Always the CH as in the scotch "loch" or german "buch but NEVER as in the English "church" examples of names with it are Carcharoth and Erchamion

DH is always th as in "THEN" but NOT "THIN" examples in Maedhros, Aredhel, Haudh-en-Arwen (so Mae-TH-ros ex.)

G is ALWAYS as in "GET"thus Region would not be like our region, nor Eregion, and Ginglith is like to our "BeGIN" no "gin"

double consonants are LONG, thus Yavanna is the same N sound in UnNamed, or PenKnife, NOT unaimed, or Penny


VOWELS

AI sounds like eye, thus Edain is is like the english DINE not Dane

AU is like OW in town, so Aule is pronound like English OWL and the first syllable of SAURON is like the english word SOUR not SORE

EI as in Teiglin sounds like the english "grey"

IE, should NOT be like the english "piece" but with I and E seperate Ni-enna not Neena (hence I pronounce Tolkien TOL-KEE-EN, but perhaps that's wrong since he didn't write his own last name [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )

UI such as in Uinen sounds like the english "ruin"

AE as in Aegnor, Nirnaeth, and OE as in Noegyth, Loeg, are both combinations of the individual vowels but May be pronounced ae as in "ai" and oe as in the english "toy"

EA and OE are Not run together but two seperate syllables. they are written as Žo, or Ža..unless the E is a capital and then the acent falls on the Second vowel as in EŲnwŽ. the accent is used just to show that they are pronounced seperate, and the accent at the end of Eonwe shows that the final e is pronouced (as it ALWAYS is in elvish language (Most of Tolkien's names are Elvish)

ER, IR, UR before a consonant as in Nerdanel, Cirdan, Gurthan, or at the end of a word as in Ainur, should NOT be pronounced as in "Fern, fir, fur" but as "air, eer, oor" So NAIR-Anel, GOOR-than, Cirdan = KEER-Dan , Ainur= EYE-NOOR

E=is always pronounced in middle and end of words.

ķ= oo so Hķrin is HOOrin not Hyoorin

hope this helps [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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