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Galadriel55 · 06-23-2011, 09:47 PM

Arossiach is on the same "longitude" as the Eastern boarders of Doriath...

Is it in Feanor's son's realms?

LadyBrooke · 06-23-2011, 09:50 PM

Is it sentient? - No
A living creature/organism? - No
An object? - No
Is it smaller than an elf? - No
An event? - No
A place? - Yes
Is it in ME? - Yes
West of the Misty Mtns? - Yes.
In Eriador? - No
Was is on the surface in the third age? - No
Ummm a realm? - No, not according to Tolkien...it sort of fits the definition though....
Did dwarves, elves, or orcs create or improve it? - Way to be precise, ....hmm, well both elves and orcs were there at points, and there was some form of elvish settlement...
West of Sirion? - No
Tol Sirion/Tol-in-Gaurhoth? - No, Sorry
Was it inhabited by the Noldor? - Yes
West of the Arossiach? - Judging by the blurry little map I have, no, but I can't be entirely sure on that one....
Is it in Feanor's son's realms? - Yes...in fact, though Tolkien never calls it a realm...well, it is guarded by one of them....

Galadriel55 · 06-23-2011, 09:55 PM

Is it a "large (ish)" region? (rather than, eg a city)

LadyBrooke · 06-23-2011, 10:03 PM

Is it sentient? - No
A living creature/organism? - No
An object? - No
Is it smaller than an elf? - No
An event? - No
A place? - Yes
Is it in ME? - Yes
West of the Misty Mtns? - Yes.
In Eriador? - No
Was is on the surface in the third age? - No
Ummm a realm? - No, not according to Tolkien...it sort of fits the definition though....
Did dwarves, elves, or orcs create or improve it? - Way to be precise, ....hmm, well both elves and orcs were there at points, and there was some form of elvish settlement...
West of Sirion? - No
Tol Sirion/Tol-in-Gaurhoth? - No, Sorry
Was it inhabited by the Noldor? - Yes
West of the Arossiach? - No
Is it in Feanor's son's realms? - Yes...in fact, though Tolkien never calls it a realm...well, it is guarded by one of them....
Is it a "large (ish)" region? (rather than, eg a city) - Yes, region...and I suppose its largish...

Galadriel55 · 06-23-2011, 10:05 PM

Himlad?

I better stop for today, since it's already tomorrow, and my brain is starting to malfunction.

LadyBrooke · 06-23-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Himlad?

I better stop for today, since it's already tomorrow, and my brain is starting to malfunction.

Close, but not...journey further east.

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 07:13 AM

Thargelion?

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Thargelion?

No...smaller region then that I believe, and the word guarded was a clue.

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 12:32 PM

Pass of Aglon?

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Pass of Aglon?

Closer still, but wrong brother...it's not any of the Cs.

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 12:52 PM

Himring?

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 12:56 PM

Very, very close, but still the wrong brother. The place I'm looking for though, is right by Himring.

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 12:59 PM

March of Maedhros?

O, wait, isn't he also the Himring brother?...

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 01:04 PM

Yes, he is.

...so, you have three choices left: Maglor, Amrod, or Amras for the brother....

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 01:06 PM

Lothlann?

Amrod and Amras are out, since they are nowhere close to Himring - too far south. I don't know!!! Lothlann wasn't really any brother's!!!

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 01:09 PM

No, not Lothlann...here's a hint, it has the brother's name in it. (and yes, you're right that Amrod and Amras are out)

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 01:11 PM

Ah, ok... Is it the clothing store of the same chain as the Gap of Rohan? (aka is it Maglor's Gap?)

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 01:15 PM

Yes, it is!

I wasn't expecting it to be that difficult...did I mess up somewhere?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyBrooke

I wasn't expecting it to be that difficult...did I mess up somewhere?

No, you didn't. It's just that I have to reread The Sil, cause I forgot half the names of the places there. Plus, the map I was referring to didn't have the Gap on it...

I have something a bit tricksy in mind... not too tricksy, though.

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 01:32 PM

Ah, see I'm far more likely to remember something out of the Sil then say, LotR or TH. I've read the Sil more, and I tend to gravitate towards it and discussions of it...which reminds me that I need to go over to DA and answer some comments....

Living thing?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 01:33 PM

Living thing - no...

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 01:35 PM

Object?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 01:37 PM

Living thing - no...
Object - no

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 01:43 PM

Sentient?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 01:49 PM

Living thing - no...
Object - no
Sentient - yes

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 01:56 PM

Undead (i.e. Nazguls, Wrights, ect.)?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 02:07 PM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way
Undead - no

You were probably confused how it's not a living thing but sentient. It's somewhat similar to, say, a forest: it's not really a living thing, but it's kind of alive... So I changed the answers to be less confusing.

Pitchwife · 06-24-2011, 02:31 PM

Silent Watchers?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 02:34 PM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no

Pitchwife · 06-24-2011, 02:40 PM

Duh, of course not - the Watchers would qualify as objects, wouldn't they? Think before you type, Pitch.

Is it natural?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 03:51 PM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no
Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural.

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-24-2011, 04:38 PM

Connected to elves?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 04:46 PM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no
Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural.

Connected to Elves - yes, very!!

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 05:17 PM

Present during the First Age?

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 05:47 PM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no
Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural.
Connected to Elves - yes, very!!

Present during the first age - yes

LadyBrooke · 06-24-2011, 06:29 PM

Present in more than one age?

I was thinking the Girdle...but that wouldn't really be natural....

Galadriel55 · 06-24-2011, 06:34 PM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no
Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural.
Connected to Elves - yes, very!!
Present during the first age - yes

Present in more than one age - yes

The Girdle is waaaay off. This isn't that hard. "It"'s something that is at the same time physical and a concept - but only because "living creatures who can think" made it a concept by differentiating it from... others.

Mithalwen · 06-25-2011, 05:01 PM

The straight Road?

Galadriel55 · 06-25-2011, 05:19 PM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no
Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural.
Connected to Elves - yes, very!!
Present during the first age - yes
Present in more than one age - yes

Straight Road - no, it's much more "alive"

The example that I gave before - a forest - is probably too much of a clue to give at the very beginning, but I couldn't think of a better one. So yes, this is another clue. Think of how a forest works, why it could be considered alive, etc...

LadyBrooke · 06-25-2011, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The example that I gave before - a forest - is probably too much of a clue to give at the very beginning, but I couldn't think of a better one. So yes, this is another clue. Think of how a forest works, why it could be considered alive, etc...

So confused...forests could be considered alive because of all the living things in it, but the only things I would think of fitting that would be places...

Present in both Valinor and M-E?

06-23-2011, 09:47 PM	#6841
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Arossiach is on the same "longitude" as the Eastern boarders of Doriath... Is it in Feanor's son's realms? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera Last edited by Galadriel55; 06-23-2011 at 09:55 PM.

06-23-2011, 09:50 PM	#6842
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is it sentient? - No A living creature/organism? - No An object? - No Is it smaller than an elf? - No An event? - No A place? - Yes Is it in ME? - Yes West of the Misty Mtns? - Yes. In Eriador? - No Was is on the surface in the third age? - No Ummm a realm? - No, not according to Tolkien...it sort of fits the definition though.... Did dwarves, elves, or orcs create or improve it? - Way to be precise, ....hmm, well both elves and orcs were there at points, and there was some form of elvish settlement... West of Sirion? - No Tol Sirion/Tol-in-Gaurhoth? - No, Sorry Was it inhabited by the Noldor? - Yes West of the Arossiach? - Judging by the blurry little map I have, no, but I can't be entirely sure on that one.... Is it in Feanor's son's realms? - Yes...in fact, though Tolkien never calls it a realm...well, it is guarded by one of them.... __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-23-2011, 09:55 PM	#6843
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Is it a "large (ish)" region? (rather than, eg a city) __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-23-2011, 10:03 PM	#6844
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is it sentient? - No A living creature/organism? - No An object? - No Is it smaller than an elf? - No An event? - No A place? - Yes Is it in ME? - Yes West of the Misty Mtns? - Yes. In Eriador? - No Was is on the surface in the third age? - No Ummm a realm? - No, not according to Tolkien...it sort of fits the definition though.... Did dwarves, elves, or orcs create or improve it? - Way to be precise, ....hmm, well both elves and orcs were there at points, and there was some form of elvish settlement... West of Sirion? - No Tol Sirion/Tol-in-Gaurhoth? - No, Sorry Was it inhabited by the Noldor? - Yes West of the Arossiach? - No Is it in Feanor's son's realms? - Yes...in fact, though Tolkien never calls it a realm...well, it is guarded by one of them.... Is it a "large (ish)" region? (rather than, eg a city) - Yes, region...and I suppose its largish... __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-23-2011, 10:05 PM	#6845
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Himlad? I better stop for today, since it's already tomorrow, and my brain is starting to malfunction. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 07:13 AM	#6847
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Thargelion? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 12:32 PM	#6849
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Pass of Aglon? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 12:52 PM	#6851
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Himring? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 12:56 PM	#6852
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Very, very close, but still the wrong brother. The place I'm looking for though, is right by Himring. __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 12:59 PM	#6853
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	March of Maedhros? O, wait, isn't he also the Himring brother?... __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 01:04 PM	#6854
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Yes, he is. ...so, you have three choices left: Maglor, Amrod, or Amras for the brother.... __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 01:06 PM	#6855
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Lothlann? Amrod and Amras are out, since they are nowhere close to Himring - too far south. I don't know!!! Lothlann wasn't really any brother's!!! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 01:09 PM	#6856
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	No, not Lothlann...here's a hint, it has the brother's name in it. (and yes, you're right that Amrod and Amras are out) __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 01:11 PM	#6857
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Ah, ok... Is it the clothing store of the same chain as the Gap of Rohan? (aka is it Maglor's Gap?) __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 01:15 PM	#6858
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Yes, it is! I wasn't expecting it to be that difficult...did I mess up somewhere? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 01:32 PM	#6860
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Ah, see I'm far more likely to remember something out of the Sil then say, LotR or TH. I've read the Sil more, and I tend to gravitate towards it and discussions of it...which reminds me that I need to go over to DA and answer some comments.... Living thing? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 01:33 PM	#6861
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - no... __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 01:35 PM	#6862
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Object? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 01:37 PM	#6863
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - no... Object - no __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 01:43 PM	#6864
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Sentient? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 01:49 PM	#6865
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - no... Object - no Sentient - yes __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 01:56 PM	#6866
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Undead (i.e. Nazguls, Wrights, ect.)? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 02:07 PM	#6867
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way Undead - no You were probably confused how it's not a living thing but sentient. It's somewhat similar to, say, a forest: it's not really a living thing, but it's kind of alive... So I changed the answers to be less confusing. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 02:31 PM	#6868
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,355	Silent Watchers? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

06-24-2011, 02:34 PM	#6869
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way/you could say so Undead - no Silent Watchers - no __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 02:40 PM	#6870
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,355	Duh, of course not - the Watchers would qualify as objects, wouldn't they? Think before you type, Pitch. Is it natural? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

06-24-2011, 03:51 PM	#6871
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way/you could say so Undead - no Silent Watchers - no Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 04:38 PM	#6872
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Connected to elves? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

06-24-2011, 04:46 PM	#6873
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way/you could say so Undead - no Silent Watchers - no Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural. Connected to Elves - yes, very!! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 05:17 PM	#6874
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Present during the First Age? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 05:47 PM	#6875
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way/you could say so Undead - no Silent Watchers - no Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural. Connected to Elves - yes, very!! Present during the first age - yes __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-24-2011, 06:29 PM	#6876
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Present in more than one age? I was thinking the Girdle...but that wouldn't really be natural.... __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-24-2011, 06:34 PM	#6877
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way/you could say so Undead - no Silent Watchers - no Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural. Connected to Elves - yes, very!! Present during the first age - yes Present in more than one age - yes The Girdle is waaaay off. This isn't that hard. "It"'s something that is at the same time physical and a concept - but only because "living creatures who can think" made it a concept by differentiating it from... others. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-25-2011, 05:01 PM	#6878
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,916	The straight Road? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-25-2011, 05:19 PM	#6879
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way/you could say so Undead - no Silent Watchers - no Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural. Connected to Elves - yes, very!! Present during the first age - yes Present in more than one age - yes Straight Road - no, it's much more "alive" The example that I gave before - a forest - is probably too much of a clue to give at the very beginning, but I couldn't think of a better one. So yes, this is another clue. Think of how a forest works, why it could be considered alive, etc... __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera