Good guy Orcs!? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Dûrlossiel · 04-24-2003, 09:33 PM

I've read several people saying Master Tolkien was big on free choice, so what would it be like if an orc or something like had chosen to do good?

Does anyone have any ideas?

[ April 25, 2003: Message edited by: Dûrlossiel ]

Tinuviel the Nightingale · 04-24-2003, 10:03 PM

Well then (if this is even possible) we would have an orc running around on the good side, with elves keeping a reasonable distance away, wrinkling their little noses, and his orc buddies from wherever he came from would make fun of him everytime there is a battle. That's my take on it.
O yeah, welcome Durlossiel, post wisely.

[ April 25, 2003: Message edited by: Tinuviel the Nightingale ]

Sapphire_Flame · 04-25-2003, 09:50 AM

I'd say he'd be kinda inadvertently good. This is an interesting thought, because I'm writing a story right now with a "good" orc in it, and trying to figure out his character has proven very interesting. I suppose an orc could be good, but only under unusual circumstances. Like in my story. But, yeah, I guess it could happen.

BTW, welcome to the Downs, Dûrlossiel! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Mae govannen!!!

Arafangwen · 04-25-2003, 02:04 PM

Welcome to our obsession Durlossiel! Post wisely(it comes in handy)! OK, I think that a half-orc could be good, but a full orc probably couldn't. Just my opinion.....

One Axe to Rule them All · 04-25-2003, 04:12 PM

Arafangwen has a point, but i must say

HAS NOBODY HERE EVER PLAYED ANY FORM OF A FANTASY GAME?????

orcs do have the capacity to be good, in fact, many of them settle down and live normal, happy lives.

In ROTK, the orcs that sam and frodo are ofrced to march with are being sent to war against their will, they DON'T want to go to war, but their enslavement by sauron has forced them to, the Uruk-Hai are a totally different matter, they were made by sauron to do his bidding.

so not all orcs are evil. they simply have a seriously tribal system of sorting things out, such as ritual scarring and usch, just like we do tatoos.

think of them as native americans, but more violent.

Sapphire_Flame · 05-02-2003, 01:02 PM

Very well stated, Axe! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Mornie Alantie · 05-02-2003, 01:14 PM

I wonder what Tolkien would have thought if he saw half of the topics on the Barrow Downs [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] . As for this one, they porbably have a little bit of good in them somewhere. Remember they were Elves once.

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-02-2003, 01:25 PM

They were tortured to become evil. I think that an orc could not be vil, and simply be passive, but I don't believe that he (she? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) could actually be good. No books with me now, so I can't argue too well, but I'll find them later, maybe.

~Menelien

04-24-2003, 09:33 PM	#1
Dûrlossiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA; WTR 458 miles Yay! I made it! Posts: 54	Good guy Orcs!? I've read several people saying Master Tolkien was big on free choice, so what would it be like if an orc or something like had chosen to do good? Does anyone have any ideas? [ April 25, 2003: Message edited by: Dûrlossiel ] __________________ The Road goes ever on and on; And I took the one less traveled by; And that has made all the difference. Outside a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside a dog, it's too dark to read.

04-24-2003, 10:03 PM	#2
Tinuviel the Nightingale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splashing around in Galadriel's Mirror Posts: 299	Well then (if this is even possible) we would have an orc running around on the good side, with elves keeping a reasonable distance away, wrinkling their little noses, and his orc buddies from wherever he came from would make fun of him everytime there is a battle. That's my take on it. O yeah, welcome Durlossiel, post wisely. [ April 25, 2003: Message edited by: Tinuviel the Nightingale ] __________________ I am no longer Saruman the White... I am Saruman THE BRINGER OF ALL THINGS FLUFFY AND SPECIAL! Join Legends of Middle Earth!

04-25-2003, 09:50 AM	#3
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,312	I'd say he'd be kinda inadvertently good. This is an interesting thought, because I'm writing a story right now with a "good" orc in it, and trying to figure out his character has proven very interesting. I suppose an orc could be good, but only under unusual circumstances. Like in my story. But, yeah, I guess it could happen. BTW, welcome to the Downs, Dûrlossiel! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Mae govannen!!! __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

04-25-2003, 02:04 PM	#4
Arafangwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WtR: 413 miles/Floating happily across the floor in the arms of The Phantom..... Posts: 379	Welcome to our obsession Durlossiel! Post wisely(it comes in handy)! OK, I think that a half-orc could be good, but a full orc probably couldn't. Just my opinion..... __________________ i indo ye vanya mi amaurëa cálë~LúcëwenElerínaEruiel Soooo..... I'm still doing the wave, anyone else? Anyone? Yeah!! Hmmm... What is that?

04-25-2003, 04:12 PM	#5
One Axe to Rule them All Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Citadel Posts: 216	Arafangwen has a point, but i must say HAS NOBODY HERE EVER PLAYED ANY FORM OF A FANTASY GAME????? orcs do have the capacity to be good, in fact, many of them settle down and live normal, happy lives. In ROTK, the orcs that sam and frodo are ofrced to march with are being sent to war against their will, they DON'T want to go to war, but their enslavement by sauron has forced them to, the Uruk-Hai are a totally different matter, they were made by sauron to do his bidding. so not all orcs are evil. they simply have a seriously tribal system of sorting things out, such as ritual scarring and usch, just like we do tatoos. think of them as native americans, but more violent. __________________ Why are you reading this? Go outside, be happy, get some sunlight! You're so pasty and thin! You horrify me, GO! Get some light before they take you too! It's too late for me but SAVE YOURSELF! For more LOTR fun, Join The Citadel!

05-02-2003, 01:02 PM	#6
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,312	Very well stated, Axe! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

05-02-2003, 01:14 PM	#7
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	I wonder what Tolkien would have thought if he saw half of the topics on the Barrow Downs [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] . As for this one, they porbably have a little bit of good in them somewhere. Remember they were Elves once. __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

05-02-2003, 01:25 PM	#8
GaladrieloftheOlden Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there... Posts: 1,611	They were tortured to become evil. I think that an orc could not be vil, and simply be passive, but I don't believe that he (she? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) could actually be good. No books with me now, so I can't argue too well, but I'll find them later, maybe. ~Menelien __________________ "Glue... very powerful stuff."