Aragorn and Arwen Are NOT RELATED

[Beleg Baggins]

Earendil and Elwing gave birth to Elrond and Elros. Elrond, choosing to be of elf-kind, became ruler of the Rivendell and had three children with Celebrian; Elladin, Elrohir, and Arwen. Elros, choosing to be mortal (man-kind), became the first High King of Numenor. But, twenty-five(ish) kings later the throne is corrupted by Ar Pharazon. Because of this, Amandil stepped in and made his son, Elendil, king in a new blood line of kings, since Ar-Pharazon was trapped away forever. Elendil is Isildur's father. And we all know that Aragorn is a descended of Isildur. So NO, contrary to popular belief, Aragorn and Arwen are NOT RELATED!!!! ... Your comments on the subject?

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Appendix A

In the days of Tar-Elendil the first ships of the Numenoreans came back to Middle-earth. His elder child was a daughter, Silmarien. Her son was Valandil, first of the Lords of Andunie in the west of the land, renowned for their friendship with the Eldar. From him were descended Amandil, the last lord, and his son Elendil the Tall.

Originally Posted by Tale of Aragorn and Arwen, also Appendix A

"Estel I was called,' he said; "But I am Aragorn, Arathorn's son, Isildur's Heir, Lord of the Dunedain"; yet even in the saying he felt that his high lineage, in which his heart rejoiced, was now of little worth, and as nothing compared to her dignity and loveliness.

But she laughed merrily and said: "Then we are akin from afar. For I am Arwen Elrond's daughter, and am also named Undomiel."

...

"My son," said Gilraen, "your aim is high, even for the descendant fo many kings. For this lady is the noblest and fairest that now walks the earth. And it is not fit that mortal should wed with the Elf-kin."

"Yet we have some part in that kinship," said Aragorn, "if the tale of my forefathers is true that I have learned."

"It is true," said Gilraen, "but that was long ago and in another age of this world, before our race was diminished."

Emphases mine, but the comments on the subject are all Tolkien's.

[Andsigil]

See where Aragorn's genealogy overlaps with Arwen's. They are distant relatives.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The mistake in the thesis is that Amandil too was related to Elros.

[Galadriel55]

I think that Amandil's ancestor was the younger brother of the Numenor king, or something like that.
In a way, Arwen is Aragorn't great (etc) aunt.
Aragorn is also related to Galadriel, Turin, and many other people.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I think that Amandil's ancestor was the younger brother of the Numenor king, or something like that.

Elder sister of Tar-Meneldur, actually.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

In a way, Arwen is Aragorn's great (etc) aunt.
Aragorn is also related to Galadriel, Turin, and many other people.

Actually, Arwen is Aragorn's first cousin, removed something like 50 times (all the generations from Vardamir, son of Elros, who was her first cousin, with no removes). In terms of consanguinity (shared blood) this is such a diminution of relationship that many of us probably have more closely related parents or grandparents than this, if there's a common ethnicity. Of course, there would have been plenty of intermarriage in the descendants of Elros.

For example, Aragorn is descended from Aranarth, son of Arvedui, the first Chieftain of the Northern Dúnedain, by both his parents--meaning that his parents, Arathorn II and Gilraen, were more closely related than he was to Arwen. As another example, Aranarth himself was the son of two descendants of Elendil: Arvedui from Isildur and Fíriel daughter of Ondoher from Anárion. And those are only the documented cases.

Probably, already by the time of Amandil and Elendil, it would have been nigh on impossible, if not totally impossible, for a high nobleman such as the Lord of Andúnië to marry someone who was not a descendant of Elros.. After that many generations on an endogamous island, probably everyone had some touch of Elrosian blood. In fact, the marriage of Valacar of Gondor (an ancestor of Fíriel and thus of Aragorn) to Vidumavi, daughter of Vidugavia the Northman, was quite possibly the ONLY instance in Aragorn's ancestry since the Akallabêth of a forefather marrying a woman who was not a descendant of Elros.

And, of course, any descendant of Elros is, de facto a close relative than Arwen, because the shared ancestor is not Elros, but his father Eärendil, who is a step farther back in the family tree. In fact, Éowyn would probably have been a closer relative than Arwen, since her grandmother was Morwen of Lossarnach, who was probably of noble blood and thus almost CERTAINLY a descendant somehow, somewhere, of Elendil--who is a whole Second Age of descent closer in ancestry to Aragorn than Eärendil.

It's like the crowned heads of Europe... if we all had as much genealogical information as they do, we would all be finding recurring ancestors.

[TeleriFan]

Originally Posted by Beleg Baggins

Earendil and Elwing gave birth to Elrond and Elros. Elrond, choosing to be of elf-kind, became ruler of the Rivendell and had three children with Celebrian; Elladin, Elrohir, and Arwen. Elros, choosing to be mortal (man-kind), became the first High King of Numenor. But, twenty-five(ish) kings later the throne is corrupted by Ar Pharazon. Because of this, Amandil stepped in and made his son, Elendil, king in a new blood line of kings, since Ar-Pharazon was trapped away forever. Elendil is Isildur's father. And we all know that Aragorn is a descended of Isildur. So NO, contrary to popular belief, Aragorn and Arwen are NOT RELATED!!!! ... Your comments on the subject?

Um yes they were.....very distantly but still were related no matter which way you wanna look at it.

[Lollipop010900]

Aragorn is a distant desendant of Elros, the first King of Numenor, Elronds brother. Arwen is Elronds daughter so they are related.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Lollipop010900

Aragorn is a distant desendant of Elros, the first King of Numenor, Elronds brother. Arwen is Elronds daughter so they are related.

Yes, in much the same way I am related to Moses. Needless to say, I don't think Aragorn and Arwen needed to worry about genetic defects due to a consanguinary marriage.

[Puddleglum]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Yes, in much the same way I am related to Moses.

Moses? Of the tribe of Levi? Or did you mean Noah?

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Puddleglum

Moses? Of the tribe of Levi? Or did you mean Noah?

Actually, I meant any character over 60 generations removed from the present. One would be as good as the next, genetically speaking.