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Lady Snickerdoodle · 01-04-2004, 03:56 PM

Did anyone pick up on the fact that Aragorn only recieved Anduril in the very last movie? Which kind of makes you wonder, "then what the heck was he lugging around for the first two films?!" I thought he was supposed to get it in fotr. (um, refresh my memory, was it in rivendell or lorien?)

Lord of Angmar · 01-04-2004, 05:50 PM

Yes, the shards of Narsil were reforged as Anduril before the Fellowship set out from Imladris, in the books. Elrond coming to the camp of the Rohirrim in Dunharrow was a complete fabrication. I assume Aragorn was carrying a generic blade of Arnor or Rivendell (probably the former) that he had carried with him since before he met the four hobbits in Bree in the movie version of the story.[ 6:50 PM January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

Silmiel of Imladris · 01-04-2004, 07:09 PM

This has little to do with this but I thought it was weird how it looked like Elrond pulled the sword out of no where even if it was under his cloak. It was very anime like.

Jjudvven · 01-04-2004, 07:36 PM

Yeah Aragorn was carrying the sword when he first met Frodo and it was reforged when they went to Rivendell. I don't really know why they decided to give it to him then, and leave out the Gandalf and the letter thing, but then again, I'm not sure why they did a lot of what they did. At least they had the sword in there at all. I was glad for that.

Teleri · 01-04-2004, 07:51 PM

Did anyone else laugh a bit when Arwen starts saying Bilbo's poem so seriously. It sounds great in the books, but knowing that it's just a little ditty written by an old hobbit makes it kind of funny.

HCIsland · 01-04-2004, 08:33 PM

With Aragorn the reluctant king in the film, it would have no sense to have him carrying the Sword of Elendil until he was willing to take on his inheritance.H.C.

Knight of Gondor · 01-04-2004, 10:04 PM

I think this was one area where Peter Jackson made a slight improvement on Tolkien's works, if none of you will think me blasphemous! Why would Aragorn carry around an 800-year-old heirloom, and the token of the King around in the Wild for that long? For the same token, Aragorn would need actual protection on his journeys around the Wild -- a real sword, not a broken hilt! It makes more sense to keep the prize heirloom enshrined in Rivendell, until the King claims it.

Gil-Galad · 01-05-2004, 08:42 AM

when aragorn unseathed it... boy was that sword long!

Moonmaid · 01-05-2004, 09:09 AM

I agree with Knight of Gondor. I've always wondered about why on earth does Aragorn carry only a broken sword with him in the wilderness. He couldn't figh e.g. trolls with just a hilt and a stump of a sword. I think Jackson did the right decision here.

The Wraith · 01-05-2004, 09:56 AM

800 years old?I think you'll find the shards of Narsil are something like 3000 years old.Aren't they?And how did they put new runes on the hilt withput melting it?

The Wraith · 01-05-2004, 09:57 AM

Oh yeh.I'm gettin a Wraith sword.That's 53 inches.Same length as Anduril. Il ike Wraiths.LOL

Finwe · 01-05-2004, 10:03 AM

They could have used an engraver to engrave the Tengwar into the hilt. I've seen it done. All you need to do is really polish the blade afterwards to get rid of that gritty look. BTW, Wraith, that last post was a wee bit unnecessary.

Gil-Galad · 01-05-2004, 05:33 PM

Didn't TElchar make ANduril?

Lathriel · 01-05-2004, 10:59 PM

Main comment about anduril, when people see it the first thing they say. "Wow, that is a really long sword!" In the theaters both of my friends said it at exactly the same time.

Maéglin · 01-06-2004, 06:01 AM

It is after all.. a longsword.. Telchar forged Narsil yes, in the First Age. So the sword is much more than just 3000 years old. It was probably carried over to Westenesse by the descendents of Elendil and passed down.

Lady Snickerdoodle · 01-06-2004, 02:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Wow, that is a really long sword!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> omg, i did that too, seriously!!! (well actually, my exact words were "Wow- really long sword...", but whatever) lol- barrowdown brainwaves...

The Wraith · 01-06-2004, 03:19 PM

I held the United Cutlery official Narsil(which is the same length as Anduril because it's basically the same sword).Ooooooo, the feeling of wanting to go killing orc beasties!!LOL

Linaeve · 01-06-2004, 03:24 PM

As an aside- yes . . . that was a really long sword. Right after the movie, my friends and I were only commenting on the swords, then we moved onto the other stuff. Keep in mind, by the way, my friends are all guys Anyway, um, I don't know exactly when Aragorn receives it in the books, but I like the fact that he receives it in the third movie. I think it shows that he's now ready to accept his true role, and that he's reached his full maturity. It's sort of like he's been given his charge or something . . .

Knight of Gondor · 01-06-2004, 10:19 PM

I LOVE the movie swords...and I actually own a reproduction of Narsil! Yep, it's really long...yet cool as can be.

TheBladeThatWasBroken · 01-07-2004, 08:40 AM

I read in an interview somewhere saying that PJ saved the reforge for TROTK in order to have more scenes with Elrond + Arwen

Thorongil · 01-07-2004, 02:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Didn't TElchar make ANduril? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He could have been one of the two elves they showed in that scene.

Lady Snickerdoodle · 01-07-2004, 04:44 PM

i never really thought of the sword being held back until Aragorn was ready to accept being king.. its actually a reallly cool idea now that i get it..

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-07-2004, 06:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Didn't TElchar make ANduril? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------He could have been one of the two elves they showed in that scene. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, Telchar was a Dwarven smith of the First Age. He forged Narsil. The broken sword was reforged in the Third Age by Elven smiths in Rivendell and re-named Anduril. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> i never really thought of the sword being held back until Aragorn was ready to accept being king. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The clue is in "Become who you were born to be".

Firefoot · 01-07-2004, 07:44 PM

Actually, I had assumed that Aragorn had Anduril in the first two movies but they just hadn't said anything. The sword was really long too. I never imagined Anduril/Narsil as being that long. And Wraith? What's with the posts that basically have nothing to do with the topic?

Voralphion · 01-07-2004, 09:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It was probably carried over to Westenesse by the descendents of Elendil and passed down <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It couldn't have been carried to Westernesse by the decendents of Elendil as Elendil wasn't born yet, let alone had descendents. I think the term you meant was ancestors. In the extended edition of The Fellowship of the Ring, Elrond offers to have Narsil reforged for Aragorn, but he refuses, saying he doesn't want that reponsibility. As Aragorn in the movies was hiding from his heritage, it makes sense for him to only get the sword reforged after he decides to become king. In the book he is wanting to be king, and so it makes more sense for the sword to be reforged as he sets out on his quest to regain the kingship and overthrow Sauron.

Knight of Gondor · 01-08-2004, 09:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Elrond offers to have Narsil reforged for Aragorn, but he refuses, saying he doesn't want that reponsibility. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't believe, in that extended scene, that we can say that Aragorn rejected the sword. Elrond was telling him that the sword COULD be reforged, but only Aragorn could stretch out his hand and take it.

01-04-2004, 03:56 PM	#1
Lady Snickerdoodle Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in the cookie jar Posts: 256	renewed shall be blade that was broken Did anyone pick up on the fact that Aragorn only recieved Anduril in the very last movie? Which kind of makes you wonder, "then what the heck was he lugging around for the first two films?!" I thought he was supposed to get it in fotr. (um, refresh my memory, was it in rivendell or lorien?) __________________ "Let me handle this, I'm British." ~hitchhikers guide

01-04-2004, 05:50 PM	#2
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Yes, the shards of Narsil were reforged as Anduril before the Fellowship set out from Imladris, in the books. Elrond coming to the camp of the Rohirrim in Dunharrow was a complete fabrication. I assume Aragorn was carrying a generic blade of Arnor or Rivendell (probably the former) that he had carried with him since before he met the four hobbits in Bree in the movie version of the story.<p>[ 6:50 PM January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ] __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

01-04-2004, 07:09 PM	#3
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	This has little to do with this but I thought it was weird how it looked like Elrond pulled the sword out of no where even if it was under his cloak. It was very anime like. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

01-04-2004, 07:36 PM	#4
Jjudvven Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Land to the West Posts: 154	Yeah Aragorn was carrying the sword when he first met Frodo and it was reforged when they went to Rivendell. I don't really know why they decided to give it to him then, and leave out the Gandalf and the letter thing, but then again, I'm not sure why they did a lot of what they did. At least they had the sword in there at all. I was glad for that. __________________ "I don't know all of you as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve."

01-04-2004, 07:51 PM	#5
Teleri Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: U.S.A., though I'd prefer the Shire Posts: 45	Did anyone else laugh a bit when Arwen starts saying Bilbo's poem so seriously. It sounds great in the books, but knowing that it's just a little ditty written by an old hobbit makes it kind of funny. __________________ "But after coming all that way I don't want to give up yet. It's not like me, somehow, if you understand."

01-04-2004, 08:33 PM	#6
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	With Aragorn the reluctant king in the film, it would have no sense to have him carrying the Sword of Elendil until he was willing to take on his inheritance.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-04-2004, 10:04 PM	#7
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I think this was one area where Peter Jackson made a slight improvement on Tolkien's works, if none of you will think me blasphemous! Why would Aragorn carry around an 800-year-old heirloom, and the token of the King around in the Wild for that long? For the same token, Aragorn would need actual protection on his journeys around the Wild -- a real sword, not a broken hilt! It makes more sense to keep the prize heirloom enshrined in Rivendell, until the King claims it. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-05-2004, 08:42 AM	#8
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	when aragorn unseathed it... boy was that sword long! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-05-2004, 09:09 AM	#9
Moonmaid Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The shores of Baltic Sea Posts: 13	I agree with Knight of Gondor. I've always wondered about why on earth does Aragorn carry only a broken sword with him in the wilderness. He couldn't figh e.g. trolls with just a hilt and a stump of a sword. I think Jackson did the right decision here. __________________ "Fate does not always seek our consent." -- Zeddicus Z'ul Zorander

01-05-2004, 09:56 AM	#10
The Wraith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 19	800 years old?I think you'll find the shards of Narsil are something like 3000 years old.Aren't they?And how did they put new runes on the hilt withput melting it?

01-05-2004, 09:57 AM	#11
The Wraith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 19	Oh yeh.I'm gettin a Wraith sword.That's 53 inches.Same length as Anduril. Il ike Wraiths.LOL

01-05-2004, 10:03 AM	#12
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	They could have used an engraver to engrave the Tengwar into the hilt. I've seen it done. All you need to do is really polish the blade afterwards to get rid of that gritty look. <P>BTW, Wraith, that last post was a wee bit unnecessary. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-05-2004, 05:33 PM	#13
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Didn't TElchar make ANduril? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-05-2004, 10:59 PM	#14
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	Main comment about anduril, when people see it the first thing they say. "Wow, that is a really long sword!"<BR>In the theaters both of my friends said it at exactly the same time. __________________ Back again

01-06-2004, 06:01 AM	#15
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	It is after all.. a longsword.. <P>Telchar forged Narsil yes, in the First Age. So the sword is much more than just 3000 years old. It was probably carried over to Westenesse by the descendents of Elendil and passed down.

01-06-2004, 02:19 PM	#16
Lady Snickerdoodle Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in the cookie jar Posts: 256	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Wow, that is a really long sword!"<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>omg, i did that too, seriously!!! (well actually, my exact words were "Wow- really long sword...", but whatever) lol- barrowdown brainwaves... __________________ "Let me handle this, I'm British." ~hitchhikers guide

01-06-2004, 03:19 PM	#17
The Wraith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 19	I held the United Cutlery official Narsil(which is the same length as Anduril because it's basically the same sword).Ooooooo, the feeling of wanting to go killing orc beasties!!LOL

01-06-2004, 03:24 PM	#18
Linaeve Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 37	As an aside- yes . . . that was a really long sword. Right after the movie, my friends and I were only commenting on the swords, then we moved onto the other stuff. Keep in mind, by the way, my friends are all guys <P>Anyway, um, I don't know exactly when Aragorn receives it in the books, but I like the fact that he receives it in the third movie. I think it shows that he's now ready to accept his true role, and that he's reached his full maturity. It's sort of like he's been given his charge or something . . . __________________ I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my Squishy. -Dory, from Finding Nemo

01-06-2004, 10:19 PM	#19
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I LOVE the movie swords...and I actually own a reproduction of Narsil! Yep, it's really long...yet cool as can be. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-07-2004, 08:40 AM	#20
TheBladeThatWasBroken Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hopefully Middle-Earth Posts: 48	I read in an interview somewhere saying that PJ saved the reforge for TROTK in order to have more scenes with Elrond + Arwen __________________ Here I set it, but I command you not to touch it, nor to permit any other to lay hand on it. In this elvish sheath dwells the Blade that was Broken and has been made again. Telchar first wrought it in the deeps of time. Death shall come to any man that draws Elendil's sword save Elendil's heir.

01-07-2004, 02:54 PM	#21
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 788	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Didn't TElchar make ANduril? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He could have been one of the two elves they showed in that scene. __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

01-07-2004, 04:44 PM	#22
Lady Snickerdoodle Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in the cookie jar Posts: 256	i never really thought of the sword being held back until Aragorn was ready to accept being king.. its actually a reallly cool idea now that i get it.. __________________ "Let me handle this, I'm British." ~hitchhikers guide

01-07-2004, 06:05 PM	#23
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> quote:<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> Didn't TElchar make ANduril? <BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>He could have been one of the two elves they showed in that scene.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, Telchar was a Dwarven smith of the First Age. He forged Narsil. The broken sword was reforged in the Third Age by Elven smiths in Rivendell and re-named Anduril.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> i never really thought of the sword being held back until Aragorn was ready to accept being king. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The clue is in "Become who you were born to be". __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-07-2004, 07:44 PM	#24
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,646	Actually, I had assumed that Aragorn had Anduril in the first two movies but they just hadn't said anything. The sword was really long too. I never imagined Anduril/Narsil as being that long. And Wraith? What's with the posts that basically have nothing to do with the topic?

01-07-2004, 09:05 PM	#25
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It was probably carried over to Westenesse by the descendents of Elendil and passed down <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It couldn't have been carried to Westernesse by the decendents of Elendil as Elendil wasn't born yet, let alone had descendents. I think the term you meant was ancestors. <P>In the extended edition of The Fellowship of the Ring, Elrond offers to have Narsil reforged for Aragorn, but he refuses, saying he doesn't want that reponsibility. As Aragorn in the movies was hiding from his heritage, it makes sense for him to only get the sword reforged after he decides to become king. In the book he is wanting to be king, and so it makes more sense for the sword to be reforged as he sets out on his quest to regain the kingship and overthrow Sauron. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

01-08-2004, 09:53 PM	#26
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Elrond offers to have Narsil reforged for Aragorn, but he refuses, saying he doesn't want that reponsibility. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't believe, in that extended scene, that we can say that Aragorn <I>rejected</I> the sword. Elrond was telling him that the sword COULD be reforged, but only Aragorn could stretch out his hand and take it. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16