2 questions about the 7 and the 9 rings - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

08-23-2002, 03:34 PM

I would like to have your opinion about this:

The first question is:
How did the Seven and the Nine rings differ?

And the second:
Were the Seven and the Nine rings originally intended for Dwarfs and Men?

Greetings from Rivendel [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Elfa Arwena

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 08-23-2002, 04:13 PM

The rings were explained nicely in our Rings of Power Theme which also includes links to about 20 other Rings topics.

Check them out! They are great and will probably answer all of your questions.

Feel free to continue any of them or return her if you don't find what you are looking for.

Thanks!

08-26-2002, 11:10 AM

All rings of power, save the one, were forged with the intent that they should help that wielder govern their race and realm. So there was little difference between the 7 and 9. The 7 and 9 rings were intended for dwarves and men, yes. Sauron had a hand in the forging of the great rings and touched all but the 3. (which is why the three are not corrupted.) All of the 7 were lost over time, and the nine, as we know, turned the kings that bore them into ringwraiths.
***A.B.B.A.***

BeeBombadil · 08-26-2002, 12:22 PM

Not all of the Dwarf rings were lost over time. Sauron reclaimed three, if I recall correctly. The other four were lost.

Aranel · 08-26-2002, 12:27 PM

It wasn't the rings that were so different,it was the recipients,wasn't it? The dwarves were hard to goven and bend to Sauron's will,but Men took them and willingly did everything he wanted them to do because of their lust for power,I think.

08-26-2002, 12:46 PM

Yes, that's what I think, but there are people who think that they are different, basing on this:

Quote:

"There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Mirdain; but the Seven and the Three he could not find. Then Celbrimbor revealed, because neither the Seven nor the Nine did he value as he valued the Three" ("History of Galadriel and Celebron", Unfinished Tales)

And this could be read as the Nine were considered with less value...

Greetings from Rivendel,

Elfa Arwena

Ithaeliel · 08-26-2002, 04:27 PM

As long as we're on the subject of the Seven and the Nine, I have another question:

Why weren't the seven Dwarf-lords affected by their rings as the Nine were affected by theirs? They were tainted by Sauron, yet the dwarves did not become slaves to his will as the nine kings of Men did. The Seven rings were worn by their bearers just as long as the Nine were by theirs. Was it because Sauron was so wrapped up in his hatred for men and will to dominate them that he paid no heed to the dwarves? Did they resist?

Davin · 08-26-2002, 04:46 PM

Aranel already explained this above I believe...

Quote:

The dwarves were hard to govern and bend to Sauron's will, but Men took them and willingly did everything he wanted them to do because of their lust for power...

Dwarves are not Men, and Men are not Dwarves. Dwarves are not so easily controlled, and they desired Gold and other Rocky Rocks while Men desired power. So Men were ensared easily while the Dwarves were not.

akhtene · 08-26-2002, 04:47 PM

The answer to this is in the Appendix ("Durin's Folk") I'm just too lazy to type the paragraph. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] Too cut the long story short, Dwarves by their nature are immune to any domination.
Perhaps that's why Sauron took pains to dispossess the dwarves of their rings (through orks and dragons)

Ransom · 08-26-2002, 05:24 PM

Somewhere in the appendex I think it says the last four of the Dwarven rings were eaten by dragons.

08-23-2002, 03:34 PM	#1
Elfa Arwena Guest Posts: n/a	2 questions about the 7 and the 9 rings I would like to have your opinion about this: The first question is: How did the Seven and the Nine rings differ? And the second: Were the Seven and the Nine rings originally intended for Dwarfs and Men? Greetings from Rivendel [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Elfa Arwena

08-23-2002, 04:13 PM	#2
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,058	The rings were explained nicely in our Rings of Power Theme which also includes links to about 20 other Rings topics. Check them out! They are great and will probably answer all of your questions. Feel free to continue any of them or return her if you don't find what you are looking for. Thanks! __________________ The Barrow-Wight

08-26-2002, 12:27 PM	#5
Aranel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 29	It wasn't the rings that were so different,it was the recipients,wasn't it? The dwarves were hard to goven and bend to Sauron's will,but Men took them and willingly did everything he wanted them to do because of their lust for power,I think. __________________ All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.

08-26-2002, 04:27 PM	#7
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 724	As long as we're on the subject of the Seven and the Nine, I have another question: Why weren't the seven Dwarf-lords affected by their rings as the Nine were affected by theirs? They were tainted by Sauron, yet the dwarves did not become slaves to his will as the nine kings of Men did. The Seven rings were worn by their bearers just as long as the Nine were by theirs. Was it because Sauron was so wrapped up in his hatred for men and will to dominate them that he paid no heed to the dwarves? Did they resist? __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

08-26-2002, 04:47 PM	#9
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 392	The answer to this is in the Appendix ("Durin's Folk") I'm just too lazy to type the paragraph. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] Too cut the long story short, Dwarves by their nature are immune to any domination. Perhaps that's why Sauron took pains to dispossess the dwarves of their rings (through orks and dragons) __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

08-26-2002, 11:10 AM	#3
PaladinTook Guest Posts: n/a	All rings of power, save the one, were forged with the intent that they should help that wielder govern their race and realm. So there was little difference between the 7 and 9. The 7 and 9 rings were intended for dwarves and men, yes. Sauron had a hand in the forging of the great rings and touched all but the 3. (which is why the three are not corrupted.) All of the 7 were lost over time, and the nine, as we know, turned the kings that bore them into ringwraiths. *A.B.B.A.*

08-26-2002, 12:22 PM	#4
BeeBombadil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 32	Not all of the Dwarf rings were lost over time. Sauron reclaimed three, if I recall correctly. The other four were lost.

08-26-2002, 05:24 PM	#10
Ransom Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Some randomn dorm in Pittsburgh Posts: 231	Somewhere in the appendex I think it says the last four of the Dwarven rings were eaten by dragons. __________________ "The blood of the dead mixes with the the flowing sand and grants more power to the killer."--Gaara of the Desert