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Old 03-04-2003, 04:08 PM   #1
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In the Northeast of ME, there is, off the coast, a small isle named 'Himling'. I notice that it is in roughly the same place as the Hill of Himring, fortress of Maedhros. Is there a connection? After all, Tol Morwen and Meneltarma survived great cataclysms. Could Maedhros' home have survived as well?
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Old 03-04-2003, 04:29 PM   #2
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They are the same.
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Old 03-05-2003, 03:08 AM   #3
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That wasn't the only Beleriandic region to survive. Tar-nu-fuin, the higlands of Dorthinion, and once home of Sauron and the 'stone of the hapless' where Morwen and Turin were laid buried and I think, Finduilas's grave, plus of course Lindon.
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Old 03-05-2003, 08:30 PM   #4
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I know that, but what confuses me is that Himling is NEVER mentioned, or connected to Himring, in any Tolkien writing. I could be wrong, since, after all, I haven't read HoME.
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Old 03-06-2003, 02:53 AM   #5
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It's mentioned in Unfinished Tales.
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Old 03-06-2003, 03:00 PM   #6
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Himling is an earlier form of Himring, used in the pre-LotR versions of Silmarillion.
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Old 03-06-2003, 08:44 PM   #7
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It is also verified in "The Shaping of Middle Earth" - repeatedly.

Here is a link that overlaps ME in the 1st and 3rd age. It identifies common geography. It is not perfect but it is the best I have seen.

(I have linked it at tBD in the past but no one noticed)
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Old 03-07-2003, 03:04 AM   #8
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Where's the link? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:48 PM   #9
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Where does it say in those books?

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Old 03-09-2003, 03:41 PM   #10
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Very sorry... very sorry...

here is the map link combing the 1st and 3rd ages:
http://www.geocities.com/otsoandor/Bel_Eri.htm

As far as this question:

"Where does it say in those books?"

If this was asked of my referrences to "Shaping of ME", merely look inthe index. "Himiling, Hill of" has many page referrences. One of these is also to the "Island of Himring". Page 242 makes clear referrence that the two are one and the same.
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Old 03-09-2003, 05:30 PM   #11
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Thanks, I'll check.

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