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Old 03-12-2004, 03:58 AM   #201
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Ok, I must admit I made a little mistake, I don't know if it matters much, but the question should have been:

Tolkien referred to someone as "Olympian", so not "an" Olympian...

Anyway, a hint: initials: W.R., and according to Tolkien not a good lecturer.
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Old 03-12-2004, 08:15 AM   #202
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Ah, the initials did the trick - thank you! It was Walter Raleigh of whom Tolkien was speaking to G. S. Gordon; his reason for calling him 'Olympian' is quite amusing:
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I only really meant that he reposed gracefully on a lofty pinnacle above my criticism. (Letter 46)
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Old 03-12-2004, 08:23 AM   #203
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Old 03-12-2004, 09:14 AM   #204
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JRRT was awarded a high honour late in life - what was it?
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Old 03-16-2004, 09:17 AM   #205
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Do you mean the honorary doctorate at Oxford in 1972 for his work in philology?
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Old 03-16-2004, 10:40 AM   #206
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That's an honour too, but I was thinking more along the lines of national honour...
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Old 03-17-2004, 02:15 AM   #207
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Then you must mean the CBE he received from the Queen!
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Old 03-17-2004, 09:20 AM   #208
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That's the one I was thinking of - well done, Mariska!
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Old 03-17-2004, 09:35 AM   #209
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Thanks.

"May God bless you, my dear John Ronald, and may you say the things I have tried to say long after I am not there to say them, if such be my lot."

Who adressed Tolkien in this way?
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Old 03-19-2004, 02:22 AM   #210
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It took me awhile to figure out where to begin to look for this quote, and when I thought about how few people would have addressed him as "John Ronald" and thought similarly enough to want him to speak for them, I found the answer quite quickly. It was G. B. (Geoffrey Bache) Smith, one of the members of the T.C.B.S., in a letter written shortly before his death in WWI. It begins as follows:
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My chief consolation is that if I am scuppered tonight - I am off on duty in a few minutes - there will still be left a member of the great T.C.B.S. to voice what I dreamed and what we all agreed upon. For the death of one of its members cannot, I am determined, dissolve the T.C.B.S. Death can make us loathsome and helpless as individuals, but it cannot put an end to the immortal four!
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Old 03-19-2004, 03:21 AM   #211
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Old 03-20-2004, 03:18 AM   #212
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Which was JRRT's first published work, and when and where was it published?
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Old 03-21-2004, 01:07 PM   #213
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It was his poem The Battle of the Eastern Field, which was published in The King Edward's School Chronicle in March 1911.
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Old 03-22-2004, 02:25 AM   #214
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Quite right, Squatter - do I remember rightly that it was about some ball game match? I can't find a reference to the contents right now.
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Old 03-31-2004, 06:36 AM   #215
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Looks like Squatter is temporarily absent, so since the 10-day limit is up, I'll post another question. It would be a shame to let this good thread die an untimely death!

Which of Tolkien's sons experienced a loss that led JRRT to tell and write which story?
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Old 04-05-2004, 01:46 AM   #216
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Old 04-06-2004, 06:26 AM   #217
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Old 04-06-2004, 07:04 AM   #218
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Quite right, Squatter! Though the boy in the story had no name, he was called 'little boy Two', since Michael was JRRT's second son.
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In J. I. M. Stewart's A Memorial Service, a brief posthumous appearance is made by a character who appears to have been based on Tolkien. What is his name?
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Could it be Timbermill?
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Tolkien criticised(sp) Lewis's work "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" because according to Jrr Lewis didn't develop a careful mythology as basis.
What subtitle did he give to this work of Lewis?
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Are you referring to Tolkien's comment to Roger Green?

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He told him that he modeled Treebeard's way of speaking on C. S. Lewis' booming voice. Hm, hoom!
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Which two characters in Tolkien's works are quite autobiographical, telling us about his thoughts and feelings more directly than any other characters?
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I didn't think that this question was so difficult - do you want a minor hint?
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Oh, Estelyn, I have a Niggling reply in mind but I had a Major feeling that I should stand back and let others try their hand.
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Well, instead of an answer, Bêthberry gave another hint - anyone want to try?
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Well, Esty, I guess I was simply too cryptic.

Leaf by Niggle I would say, and Smith of Wootton Major, to be more plain about it.


Edit: shame about the Sniggle. Must have been thinking of Nmith.
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Right, then, Estelyn, here's my go at it.

Tolkien praised one of his illustrators very highly. He said that the pictures "are more than illustrations; they are a collateral theme."

Of whom was he speaking?
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Might it be Pauline Baynes?
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It might indeed, Son of Númenor. Your go. And welcome to this thread.
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Tolkien Merry Wollstonecraft? Charles Arwen? Tolkien's neighbour....

Which Lord of the Rings character's name was not-so-subtly derived from the name of one of J.R.R. Tolkien's real-life neighbours in Sarehole?
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Well now, there was apparently an old farmer who had chased young Ronald for picking mushrooms à la Farmer Maggot, but I think he has come down to us known only by the moniker of "the Black Orgre." And the miller's son was nicknamed "The White Ogre" but again, we lack an historical name.

Yet there was a Birmingham man who invented a surgical bandaid (plaster?) which became known as "gamgee-tissue", derived from his name, Dr. Gamgee. In the Warwickshire dialect 'gamgee' meant cotton wool. And that's how he came to be named, our Sam, I am suggesting.
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It seems, sadly, that I have been misinformed. I was operating under the impression that Mr. Samson Gamgee was a neighbor of J.R.R. Tolkien's in Sarehole. In fact, Tolkien was unaware of Mr. Gamgee at the time that The Lord of the Rings was published. It was only after the book was published that Mr. Gamgee, a local Birmingham man and notable inventor as you said Bêth, became known to Tolkien.

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Gamgee is quite a different matter. In my early days gamgee was the word we used for what is/was more generally called 'cotton-wool'.....Recently in the English Place Names Society volumes on Gloucestershire (vol. iii) I came across forms that could conceivably explain the curious Gamgee as a variant of the not uncommon surname Gamage (Gammage, Gammidge). This name is ultimately derived from a surname de Gamaches....but early records of the forms of this name in England, as Gamages, de Gamagis, de Gemegis, might well provide a variant Gamagi > Gamgee.

Your reference to Samson Gamgee is thus very interesting. Since he is mentioned in a book on Birmingham Jewry, I wonder if this family was also Jewish. In which case the origin of the name might be quite different. Not that a name of French or Francized form is impossible for a Jewish surname, especially if it is one long established in England. We now associate Jewish names largely with German, and with a colloquial Yiddish that is predominantly German in origin.* But the lingua franca of mediaeval Jewry was (I was told by Cecil Roth, a friend of mine) of French or mixed French-Provencal character. (Letters, 324)
Samwise Gamgee's name was not a derivation of Samson Gamgee's. Therefore my initial question was flawed and, since Bêth provided the factually accurate answer, I yield the floor.

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Such are the conflations of memory and art, Son of Númenor, wherein we make our meaning. No great error, I would think. As Tolkien himself said, what if a Mr. S. Gollem should appear on his doorstep!

Which brings me to my question now. In honour of Mother's Day (at least in North America, although not in England), let me ask this.

In what way was Tolkien's engagement to Edith Bratt similar to Mabel Suffield's engagement to Arthur Tolkien?
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