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Old 10-22-2004, 06:12 PM   #1
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White Tree Five Minute RotK Trailer!

I discovered this link on another board, and just had to share it here.

The people who preorder the RotK:EE from Amazon.com receive this nifty little download, and some lovely person put it online. Within is contained Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-King, an extension of the Paths of the Dead, and part of Pippin's conversation with Faramir, among other things.

Thar she blows! ^^

Be warned, ye need RealPlayer to view this. Have fun!

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Old 10-22-2004, 07:53 PM   #2
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Pret-ty coooll...

"Hi, ah'm Billeh Boyd, thanken' yu for purchasin' "The Return of the Keng" from Amazoen doet com."
You're welcome, Billy! Anything legal is ok with me!


Some cool stuff in there...however why would Gandalf take a hobbit to an encounter with the Witch King? Why? Why? If it was a hurried encounter, couldn't he have chucked Pippin off somewhere in the city?

*sigh* Some (PJ! PJ!) things are just beyond me I guess.
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Old 10-22-2004, 08:26 PM   #3
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It makes me smile. The dialogue is exactly right for the scene between Gandalf and the Witch-King, and what Pippin says about not growing anymore, except sideways, is straight from the book. It makes me happy, and eases my worries about Saruman's and Gríma's deathes.

I might be able to wait until Dec. now...
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Old 10-22-2004, 09:12 PM   #4
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why would Gandalf take a hobbit to an encounter with the Witch King?
Because (I think) the scene occurs en route to rescue Faramir from Denethor's clutches.

Personally, I have no complaints from what I have seen.
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Old 10-23-2004, 02:35 AM   #5
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It's great, thank you to that lovely person who put it online! I loved the Pippin-Faramir interaction! Also, when Gandalf is kicked off Shadowfax and Pippin 'jumps to the rescue', do you suppose this is the moment when the horns are heard and Rohan comes at last?
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Old 10-23-2004, 07:15 AM   #6
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Excellent find!

I was disappointed with the Gandalf-Wiki scene though...I was hoping Gandalf would put up more of a fight instead of losing helplessly. I still think that Gandalf can beat the Witch King, but I guess PJ didn't wanna do that.
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Old 10-23-2004, 09:56 AM   #7
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I was hoping Gandalf would put up more of a fight instead of losing helplessly. I still think that Gandalf can beat the Witch King, but I guess PJ didn't wanna do that.
Well, it makes much more sense of the Witch-King's line to Gothmog that he will crush the Wizard. And it enhances the power of the Witch-King as an opponent, thus making Eowyn's defeat of him (with Merry's help) even more impressive. I like it.
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Old 10-23-2004, 01:11 PM   #8
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Um, has anyone else dowloaded this with a dial-up connection? 54 minutes, it said! Being a Luddite I don't have Broadband yet, but should it take that long?
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Old 10-23-2004, 03:23 PM   #9
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It took me 56 minutes...gosh, I envy your connection speed Lalwendë...wow...
But it was worth it.
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Old 10-23-2004, 03:32 PM   #10
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Thank you so much Sapphire_Flame! I was just going to ask if any one knew of an RotK EE preview beside the one on lordoftherings.net. My friend wanted to see it, but her computer was having problems. Does anyone know of any others? I need something to entertain me until it comes out.
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:17 PM   #11
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Well, there's always this bootlegged comiccon footage that has a few new things.
While the blooper reel's quality is extremely poor, it's quite amusing. Especially Sam's "closeup".
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:29 PM   #12
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Well, it makes much more sense of the Witch-King's line to Gothmog that he will crush the Wizard. And it enhances the power of the Witch-King as an opponent, thus making Eowyn's defeat of him (with Merry's help) even more impressive. I like it.
True, but it makes Gandalf into....nothing.

In the movie, he's not that wise, nor that powerful. All his strategies and cleverness from the book are made so that they're suggested by someone else, and Gandalf's initially against it. Here are some that I can think of off my head:

1. He didn't want Theoden to go to Helm's Deep; that was Theoden's idea.
2. He didn't want to attack the Morannon; that was Aragorn's.
3. He couldn't open solve the Moria riddle; that was Frodo's idea.
4. He was against going to Moria; that was Frodo's decision and Gimli's idea.
5. He has no part to play in the Ent's help in the battle of Helm's Deep. In fact, the ents(or Huorns, I should say) help only in the EE, and Gandalf had no knowledge of it.

I'm sure there are more, I just can't think of it. Many of Gandalf's wisdom is hidden in the movie, to make him seem more "human". All well and good, but I think they've overdone it...he just seems like a wise-wannabe in the movie. Now they take out his power as well. They emphasize it a lot in TTT, but with the Orc that almost kills him and now this, he's obviously no match for a bunch of Sauron's forces. In the book, of course, he can't be hurt by any mortal weapons and all evidences suggest he's greater than the Witch King. He's stupid and weak in the movie, and I'm quite against that...
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:56 PM   #13
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He's stupid and weak in the movie,
Actually, no they didn't. Gandalf didn't want to go to Moria in the books either, but he suggested it (yes, the movie changed this a bit but the point is that he didn't want to go).

I don't remember the plans for Helms Deep.

Gandalf couldn't solve the Moria riddle in the book and it was Merry who triggered the memory.

I don't recall Gandalf helping the ents...however it has been ages since I have read TTT

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Gandalf brought back Eomer
He drove the Nazgul away from Faramir
He fought the Balrog enabling the comapny to attack.

The preview is taken out of context. To judge Gandalf's actions we must see the entire scene. It's silly to judge a half formed scene that leaves you on a cliff hanger.
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Old 10-23-2004, 09:53 PM   #14
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All right...I agree that my choice of words "stupid" and "weak" weren't very good. I'd say rather "not wise" and "not the powerful being he is in the book".

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Actually, no they didn't. Gandalf didn't want to go to Moria in the books either, but he suggested it (yes, the movie changed this a bit but the point is that he didn't want to go).
He didn't want to go, but he realised that it was the best route. Whether he personally wanted to go or not has absolutely nothing to do with it. In a battle, we judge a general's abilities by his strategy and courage and stuff, not by whether he likes war or not. In the movie, Gandalf actually starts off with the plan of going south, to Rohan, as if he didn't know about Saruman.

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I don't remember the plans for Helms Deep.
He tells Theoden to go to Helm's Deep where it's easier to defend. In the movie, Gandalf tells Theoden to fight Saruman head on, when it's clear that they're outnumbered. It's Theoden who doesn't want to do this, and decides to "hide" in Helm's Deep.

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Gandalf couldn't solve the Moria riddle in the book and it was Merry who triggered the memory.
Gandalf solves it alone. Merry doesn't trigger his memory; he was only on the right track. Merry merely asked because he didn't understand. Gandalf solves the riddle long after Merry asks his question, and only comments that "Merry, of all people, was on the right track" by asking that question.

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I don't recall Gandalf helping the ents...however it has been ages since I have read TTT
Well, I never said he helps the ents. But he does ride to Isengard after it's been sacked and asks Treebeard to send a bunch of Huorns to Helm's Deep.

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He drove the Nazgul away from Faramir
He fought the Balrog enabling the comapny to attack.
All of these were from the book. My point is that they made Gandalf MUCH weaker and less wise than in the book, by taking out some of his great moments. I never said they took out all of them; otherwise Gandalf'd be no better than the movie Pippin. But anyway, your second point is a good one; if he can drive away 5 Nazguls, why does he lose his staff to the Witch King in the movie? As you can know by "the Voice of Saruman" chapter, losing a staff is losing a wizard's power. Losing his staff means Gandalf is deprived of much of his power.

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The preview is taken out of context. To judge Gandalf's actions we must see the entire scene. It's silly to judge a half formed scene that leaves you on a cliff hanger.
True, but some of the published books related to the movie (Weapons and Warfare, for instance) say that the Witch King bested Gandalf. There's also a lot of stuff floating around that Gandalf only barely manages to escape by the coming of Rohan.

But anyway, this is getting a bit off topic, methinks. I was simply disappointed that they made Gandalf the White seem like a weaking compared to the Witch King, when most of the book evidences suggest he is stronger.
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I'd say rather "not wise" and "not the powerful being he is in the book".
I sincerely doubt that many people who saw the films would come to the conclusion that Gandalf was neither wise nor powerful. The point for me is not how it compares with the book, but how well it works within the context of the films, as the book and the film tell two quite different stories. From what I have seen, this scene looks, to me, to work well within the context of the story told in the films.
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Old 10-25-2004, 08:26 AM   #16
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My german is not very good so I could not really read the site. Are there any other sites that have a Real Audio version?
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Old 10-25-2004, 10:22 AM   #17
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Never mind, I linked to a site that has it in real audio.
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Old 10-25-2004, 12:28 PM   #18
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You can always go to www.babelfish.altavista.com and translate the page, if you can`t read it.

I downloaded the bloopers real, but when I tried to watch it, it came up on windows media player. I could hear it, but couldn`t see it. Can anyone help?
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Old 10-25-2004, 04:24 PM   #19
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Sorry, forgot to mention that the Comiccon footage and blooper reel are in WMP.
Nimrodel, it's not your computer, it's the clip. It's VERY bad quality. There's nothing we can do except hope that PJ will someday release a good quality reel.
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Old 10-26-2004, 06:47 PM   #20
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Alrighty then! Thanks Oddwen!
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