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Evisse the Blue · 09-10-2003, 01:55 PM

I'll try my hand at it, if that's okay!

I am the offspring of high folk,
Who left a haven long ago.
My father was quite wise, yet he
Chose a perilous strategy
That ended bitterly for me.
Oh, where a mighty foe was slain
I too was killed and lost remain.
Though ages since have passed, I swear it -
My name brings doom to all who bear it.

This should be easy...

Iarwain · 09-10-2003, 06:58 PM

I would say Turin, but neither of his parents sailed anywhere. But I guess Turin all the same.

Iarwain

Finwe · 09-10-2003, 07:35 PM

Is it Maeglin?

Evisse the Blue · 09-10-2003, 07:45 PM

Nope, it's neither. 'the name brings doom' thing - is not from any book, it's a realization of mine (and of yours, too, after you solve it) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Finwe · 09-11-2003, 05:39 PM

It was Fëanor wasn't it?

Evisse the Blue · 09-12-2003, 07:57 AM

No, although all these are very good guesses. They match almost perfectly and you're all very close.
Hint 1: it's a woman
Hint 2: the mighty foe is indeed Glaurung.

Beren87 · 09-12-2003, 07:45 PM

Nienor is the obvious assumption, then.

Evisse the Blue · 09-13-2003, 11:29 AM

No.
HINT: the name was shared by another woman in the Third Age who had a sad fate as well, hence the 'my name brings doom'.

Beren87 · 09-13-2003, 01:10 PM

Every answer I get seems to only work for half the riddle..humph.

How about Morwen, then? The mother of Theoden was named after her.

Lyta_Underhill · 09-13-2003, 04:17 PM

Or perhaps Finduilas, who perished by Glaurung's trickery of Turin...was also the short-lived mother of Boromir and Faramir...

Evisse the Blue · 09-13-2003, 04:33 PM

Yes - Lyta has got it! Congrats! and btw, I love your avatar!

Lyta_Underhill · 09-13-2003, 07:40 PM

Wow! I finally answered a riddle correctly! I am new at this riddle making art, so this one may be too easy, or incomprehensible! But I'll be glad to give hints...and, by the way, thanks for the complement on my sleeping Frodo avatar, Evisse! I always enjoy your Lady of Shallot avatar as well! Nice to see the great artworks represented here! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Now on to my riddle:

Life is but a crucible in my hands,
I dwell in the stone of old that stands;
For my sake the slow are moved to haste,
My dreams by small stones are now outpaced;
Through stone from afar my will is wrest,
I can no longer return to the West.

Who am I?

Cheers,
Lyta

P.S. I'll be out for several hours, but I'll try to check for answers when I return! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ September 13, 2003: Message edited by: Lyta_Underhill ]

Iarwain · 09-13-2003, 08:17 PM

I must say that it is a very clever riddle, and to me it seems to match Saruman's personality very well.

Iarwain

Lyta_Underhill · 09-14-2003, 02:21 AM

Got it in one, Iarwain! Not clever enough, I suppose, but thanks for the compliment! The floor is yours! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Cheers,
Lyta

Iarwain · 09-14-2003, 08:54 PM

The calimasts of Triahod,
they hidden lie, to make me sob.
The trothellshells that crackle so,
when killing I defeat my foes.
Oh faugath treal, the purshed tooth,
with poison bites but not forsooth.
And lying groth upon the throsh,
my darled body becoming slosh.
The plunging knife that scinds my blood.
Hidden about the garlish mud.

Beware the Jabberwock my boy! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

A pathetic copy of a classic, I hope Carroll would forgive me. The object is to discover the subject of the poem. There is only one real clue I can give, and that may or may not be necessary. We shall see.

Iarwain

Arestevana · 09-15-2003, 04:05 PM

A most disturbing clue.
Could it be Saruman? Or, more specifically, his death?

Iarwain · 09-15-2003, 08:49 PM

I can very much see how you came to that conclusion, and perhaps the riddle does point that way more than to its intended answer, so here's the clue. The only proper noun in the riddle is an approximate location for the subject.

Iarwain

Evisse the Blue · 09-16-2003, 05:36 AM

Iarwain, I love your riddles!
Is mud the proper noun? If so, could Smaug be your Jabberwock?

Dancing_Hobbit · 09-16-2003, 05:39 PM

Triahod is a propper noun, but I have no idea where that leads us.

Arestevana · 09-17-2003, 02:06 PM

Aha! (triumphant)
Triahad = Doriath.
I hope that's helpful to someone.

Edit: Oh! Is it the host of the Naugrim in 'of the ruin of Doriath'?

[ September 17, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

Voralphion · 09-17-2003, 07:27 PM

Carcharoth?

Iarwain · 09-17-2003, 08:23 PM

You are quite right about Triahod. It is not, however the naugrim or the Red Maw. Thanks for the compliment, though, I like them too, (even though this one wasn't completely original).

Iarwain

Finwe · 09-20-2003, 05:41 PM

Is it Glaurung?

Iarwain · 09-20-2003, 06:24 PM

'Tisn't. The approximate setting is Doriath. This means that it is not necessarily in Doriath, but it is nearby The key to the riddle is to remove the nonsense and find the truth. Certain words point the way, if you have the sense to see them.

Iarwain

Iarwain · 09-22-2003, 07:52 PM

Clue number three:

The calimasts of Triahod,
they hidden lie, to make me sob.
The trothellshells that crackle so,
when killing I defeat my foes.
Oh faugath treal, the purshed tooth,
with poison bites but not forsooth.
And lying groth upon the throsh,
my darled body becoming slosh.
The plunging knife that scinds my blood.
Hidden about the garlish mud.

If no one can decrypt that, I'll just have to provide the answer. That, however, would be a most dissapointing turn of events.

Iarwain

Finwe · 09-22-2003, 08:13 PM

Beren?

Iarwain · 09-22-2003, 08:17 PM

Nope. The answer is not the "I", but the "foes" that the narrator is speaking of. I imagine there were probably many people that could recount the subject, were they living. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Voralphion · 09-22-2003, 10:01 PM

Spiders

Iarwain · 09-23-2003, 05:04 PM

I need a more specific answer, but you're on the right track. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Iarwain

Finwe · 09-23-2003, 08:13 PM

Is it Shelob?

Iarwain · 09-23-2003, 08:41 PM

Too specific and no. I'm looking for a place, and a group.

Iarwain

Finwe · 09-23-2003, 08:44 PM

Ah, I see.

Would it be Nan Dungortheb and the Spawn of Ungoliant who lived there?

Iarwain · 09-23-2003, 08:49 PM

Precisely! I'm glad you got it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Your go,
Iarwain

Finwe · 09-23-2003, 08:59 PM

Wow! Once I got spiders and Doriath, I just put two and two together.

Those mighty towers standing high,
Their sharp points piercing the sky,
Those numerous entries,
With guards and sentries,
And living eyes on the surround,
Shrouded in shadow around,
a dark-man and the inverse came,
Followed by the bane of the inverse's hame.
Who am I, a person,
Who lived in a city,
Who am I, a person,
Who lived with trees,
Who am I, a person,
A cursed lying thief,
Who am I, a person,
Of a union of grief.

All right, this one is a bit complicated, but go ahead and try it.

Iarwain · 09-23-2003, 09:21 PM

It has wonderful verse to it. I believe you are talking about the Mouth of Sauron coming forth to Gandalf with Frodo's artifacts near the towers of the teeth, and in front of the black gates. He was a Black Numenorian, who were seafaring folk that lived in the midst of the original white tree. As Gandalf took the artifacts, he was truly grave, and Pippin cried out. Those two were a union of grief.

The solution is the Mouth of Sauron.

Iarwain

[ September 23, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

Finwe · 09-24-2003, 06:27 PM

Nope, sorry.

Iarwain · 09-24-2003, 07:23 PM

Pippen then?

Iarwain

Finwe · 09-24-2003, 08:19 PM

Nope. I'll give you a hint, you're in the wrong time period. The towers that I'm referring to are not Minas Tirith or Barad-dur. They're other towers.

Iarwain · 09-24-2003, 08:37 PM

The tragic battle of Finglofin and Morgoth, before Thangorodrim.

Iarwain

Voralphion · 09-24-2003, 08:39 PM

Is the city Gondolin?

09-10-2003, 01:55 PM	#281
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	I'll try my hand at it, if that's okay! I am the offspring of high folk, Who left a haven long ago. My father was quite wise, yet he Chose a perilous strategy That ended bitterly for me. Oh, where a mighty foe was slain I too was killed and lost remain. Though ages since have passed, I swear it - My name brings doom to all who bear it. This should be easy... __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-10-2003, 06:58 PM	#282
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	I would say Turin, but neither of his parents sailed anywhere. But I guess Turin all the same. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-10-2003, 07:35 PM	#283
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Is it Maeglin? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-10-2003, 07:45 PM	#284
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Nope, it's neither. 'the name brings doom' thing - is not from any book, it's a realization of mine (and of yours, too, after you solve it) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-11-2003, 05:39 PM	#285
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	It was Fëanor wasn't it? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-12-2003, 07:57 AM	#286
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	No, although all these are very good guesses. They match almost perfectly and you're all very close. Hint 1: it's a woman Hint 2: the mighty foe is indeed Glaurung. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-12-2003, 07:45 PM	#287
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,266	Nienor is the obvious assumption, then.

09-13-2003, 11:29 AM	#288
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	No. HINT: the name was shared by another woman in the Third Age who had a sad fate as well, hence the 'my name brings doom'. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-13-2003, 01:10 PM	#289
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,266	Every answer I get seems to only work for half the riddle..humph. How about Morwen, then? The mother of Theoden was named after her.

09-13-2003, 04:17 PM	#290
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 844	Or perhaps Finduilas, who perished by Glaurung's trickery of Turin...was also the short-lived mother of Boromir and Faramir... __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

09-13-2003, 04:33 PM	#291
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Yes - Lyta has got it! Congrats! and btw, I love your avatar! __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-13-2003, 07:40 PM	#292
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 844	Wow! I finally answered a riddle correctly! I am new at this riddle making art, so this one may be too easy, or incomprehensible! But I'll be glad to give hints...and, by the way, thanks for the complement on my sleeping Frodo avatar, Evisse! I always enjoy your Lady of Shallot avatar as well! Nice to see the great artworks represented here! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Now on to my riddle: Life is but a crucible in my hands, I dwell in the stone of old that stands; For my sake the slow are moved to haste, My dreams by small stones are now outpaced; Through stone from afar my will is wrest, I can no longer return to the West. Who am I? Cheers, Lyta P.S. I'll be out for several hours, but I'll try to check for answers when I return! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ September 13, 2003: Message edited by: Lyta_Underhill ] __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

09-13-2003, 08:17 PM	#293
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	I must say that it is a very clever riddle, and to me it seems to match Saruman's personality very well. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-14-2003, 02:21 AM	#294
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 844	Got it in one, Iarwain! Not clever enough, I suppose, but thanks for the compliment! The floor is yours! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Cheers, Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

09-14-2003, 08:54 PM	#295
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	The calimasts of Triahod, they hidden lie, to make me sob. The trothellshells that crackle so, when killing I defeat my foes. Oh faugath treal, the purshed tooth, with poison bites but not forsooth. And lying groth upon the throsh, my darled body becoming slosh. The plunging knife that scinds my blood. Hidden about the garlish mud. Beware the Jabberwock my boy! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] A pathetic copy of a classic, I hope Carroll would forgive me. The object is to discover the subject of the poem. There is only one real clue I can give, and that may or may not be necessary. We shall see. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-15-2003, 04:05 PM	#296
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	A most disturbing clue. Could it be Saruman? Or, more specifically, his death?

09-15-2003, 08:49 PM	#297
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	I can very much see how you came to that conclusion, and perhaps the riddle does point that way more than to its intended answer, so here's the clue. The only proper noun in the riddle is an approximate location for the subject. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-16-2003, 05:36 AM	#298
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	Iarwain, I love your riddles! Is mud the proper noun? If so, could Smaug be your Jabberwock? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-16-2003, 05:39 PM	#299
Dancing_Hobbit Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2003 Location: A fairyland of mists and shadows deep in the emerald wood. Posts: 56	Triahod is a propper noun, but I have no idea where that leads us. __________________ Hobbits bow to nobody! ...Except their plates...

09-17-2003, 02:06 PM	#300
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Aha! (triumphant) Triahad = Doriath. I hope that's helpful to someone. Edit: Oh! Is it the host of the Naugrim in 'of the ruin of Doriath'? [ September 17, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

09-17-2003, 07:27 PM	#301
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	Carcharoth? __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

09-17-2003, 08:23 PM	#302
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	You are quite right about Triahod. It is not, however the naugrim or the Red Maw. Thanks for the compliment, though, I like them too, (even though this one wasn't completely original). Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-20-2003, 05:41 PM	#303
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Is it Glaurung? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-20-2003, 06:24 PM	#304
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	'Tisn't. The approximate setting is Doriath. This means that it is not necessarily in Doriath, but it is nearby The key to the riddle is to remove the nonsense and find the truth. Certain words point the way, if you have the sense to see them. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-22-2003, 07:52 PM	#305
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	Clue number three: The calimasts of Triahod, they hidden lie, to make me sob. The trothellshells that crackle so, when killing I defeat my foes. Oh faugath treal, the purshed tooth, with poison bites but not forsooth. And lying groth upon the throsh, my darled body becoming slosh. The plunging knife that scinds my blood. Hidden about the garlish mud. If no one can decrypt that, I'll just have to provide the answer. That, however, would be a most dissapointing turn of events. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-22-2003, 08:13 PM	#306
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Beren? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-22-2003, 08:17 PM	#307
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	Nope. The answer is not the "I", but the "foes" that the narrator is speaking of. I imagine there were probably many people that could recount the subject, were they living. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-22-2003, 10:01 PM	#308
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	Spiders __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

09-23-2003, 05:04 PM	#309
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	I need a more specific answer, but you're on the right track. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-23-2003, 08:13 PM	#310
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Is it Shelob? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-23-2003, 08:41 PM	#311
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	Too specific and no. I'm looking for a place, and a group. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-23-2003, 08:44 PM	#312
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Ah, I see. Would it be Nan Dungortheb and the Spawn of Ungoliant who lived there? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-23-2003, 08:49 PM	#313
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	Precisely! I'm glad you got it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Your go, Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

09-23-2003, 08:59 PM	#314
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Wow! Once I got spiders and Doriath, I just put two and two together. Those mighty towers standing high, Their sharp points piercing the sky, Those numerous entries, With guards and sentries, And living eyes on the surround, Shrouded in shadow around, a dark-man and the inverse came, Followed by the bane of the inverse's hame. Who am I, a person, Who lived in a city, Who am I, a person, Who lived with trees, Who am I, a person, A cursed lying thief, Who am I, a person, Of a union of grief. All right, this one is a bit complicated, but go ahead and try it. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-23-2003, 09:21 PM	#315
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 808	It has wonderful verse to it. I believe you are talking about the Mouth of Sauron coming forth to Gandalf with Frodo's artifacts near the towers of the teeth, and in front of the black gates. He was a Black Numenorian, who were seafaring folk that lived in the midst of the original white tree. As Gandalf took the artifacts, he was truly grave, and Pippin cried out. Those two were a union of grief. The solution is the Mouth of Sauron. Iarwain [ September 23, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ] __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"