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VE-13.045 As you have already guested this change was based on our working assumption that there existed only 3 to 7 Balrogs (see the famous thread Bye Bye Balrogs). After the Fall of Gondolin were Gothmog and the Balrog of Glorfindel were killed, we have to assume that in the War of Wrath only 1 to 5 Balrogs fought. We know for sure that 1 fled and hid himself under the mountains of Moria. Leaving none to 4 Barlogs to utterly destroyed or as well to hid themselves. We tried to keep the possibilities open by saying that they were destroyed if they did not hid themself. But as at seems we did not make it correctly. Please advise if how we can better this passage, without specifying any numbers of Balrog slain or hid away.
Eredlindon: You are right that we have to introduce a change. But the hyphen is not correct. I think we should add to the general changes: {Eredlindon}[Ered Lindon] per Sil77. It also corosponds to the spelling in LotR (see e.g. Ered Nimrais). Introducing this I found also: {Eredwethion}[Ered Wethrin] per Sil77. Posted by ArcusCalion: Quote:
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VE-13.045: Okay, your 'any' seems good.
VE-19: I agree to the chnage {Leithien}[Lindon]. About Morogth thrust through the Door of Night: I think we agree that we can not change the text. As you suggest I am very symphatic with a edited version of MT in Part 3. Respectfully Findegil |
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Well, I was going to read through all the new discussions before jumping in again, but I've changed my mind.
I think ArcusCalion's suggestions are almost all good; thanks for catching these things! The only one I would look at again is VE-13.045, where I think the "any" sounds too legalistic and out of place. I actually do think the "they" is grammatically all right - "save they fled" meaning "unless they fled". Is the version of this chapter in the private forum up to date? I have a file of notes on further changes and things I'd caught (from 2009!), which I don't think I ever posted for discussion, but I want to make sure they apply to the latest version of the text before I do so. |
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The version in the members only forum is not up to date. Since the discussion here was not ended I did not update it so far. See your mail.
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All right, below are my notes on the Earendil chapter. I think that a few of these points are things that ArcusCalion also noted, and have been addressed (Gwareth/Gwared, Leithien).
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Aiwendil It's funny, I find myself pointing out less of these errors than I catch, because I usually just correct them in my own personal "clean" "readable version" of the texts. Your changes are all great though, especially the removal of the "thus they" from "thus they escaped their enchantments." That has never sat well with me, but I didnt question it, thinking it was already finalized.
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Glad you agree with my suggestions!
VE-01: A possibility to fix the end of the alliterative fragment here: Quote:
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VE-01: Agreed to all your changes.
Don't you know that the best mariners can not swim? A good swimmer would probably leave a ship in danger to early. So I don't think Voronwë would necessarily be a swimmer. VE-07: Corrected. VE-10: Agreed. VE-11: Agreed. VE-11.025: Agreed. 'Maybe it was due ...': I agree to remove 'thus they'. I will research the sources. but that might take some time. VE-11.02: Agreed. VE-11.04: Corrected. VE-13.02: Corrected. VE-15: Corrected. VE-19: Following ArcusCalion's idea we changed {Leitian}[Lindon]. VE-21: Agreed. Respectfully Findegil |
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