WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The wind whistled through the peaks as the caravaners stopped for the night. The small traders caravan had been scheduled to be at their destination two days ago, but constant mishaps on the road through the Misty Mountains had lengthened their travel time considerably.

The caravan's guide looked at the caravan boss.

"Shasta", this looks like a good place to camp," he said nervously, knowing that he probably wasn't going to get a good review from this client, given that they were lost and had been for quite some time.

Shasta growled under his breath.

"It had better be."

He put two fingers to his mouth and whistled; taking that as their signal, the caravaners circled their wagons and made preparations to set up for a night's rest.

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Shasta, having followed the call of nature in the early morning hours, was on his way back to his own wagon. Fantasizing about the warm blankets and soft bed waiting for him after his trudge through the snow, he had no idea he was being watched.

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"We never should have agreed to this," a raspy voice snarled.

"Shut up! We're doing what we're supposed to - the mountain said so!" another voice rumbled from the dark.

Shasta froze. The voices were coming from behind him, and they were vaguely familiar. He racked his brain, thinking. Sure, some of the guards and merchants were new hires and partners, that he'd never seen before, but that didn't mean they were a bad sort, did it? But still...

A third voice came from in front of him, hidden in the dark.

"Out by yourself on a night like tonight, eh? Looks like you'll be the first one to pay."

Shasta began to open his mouth, to yell for someone, anyone, to wake up the wagons - they were all in danger. He didn't even get past the first choked gurgle before three bodies were upon him, ripping him to shreds with claws and teeth.

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The travelers had woken up in the dawn light to find a grisly scene. Their caravan boss lay in pieces scattered around their campfire, and the axle on each and every one of the wagons had been splintered. Until they could fix the wagons, they were stuck... and they had no idea what had savaged Shasta so badly.



Day 1 begins (and yes, it is a bit early. Wolves may PM until 12:00 am.)

Living:

Legate
Sally
Inzil
Greenie
Kath
Kitanna
Bom
Pitch
Nerwen
G55
The Elf-Warrior
Boro
Azura
Laeko_Rundalis

Not so much:

Shasta - Mod - Savaged Night 0

[Inziladun]

First? After seven hours? Really?

Well, at any rate, it seems clear the guide is one of the ones responsible for this. Now, which one of you is the guide, again?

[Nerwen]

My poor treasure! And nobody cares!

...All right, then, someone else hurry up and post, so we can invoke the "first three posters" rule and begin the accusations.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

First? After seven hours? Really?

Well, at any rate, it seems clear the guide is one of the ones responsible for this. Now, which one of you is the guide, again?

I think the guide is not necessarily responsible. It does not seem to say anything about the guide in the second part. The three chaps are responsible, as far as I read it. Um... no, I am not the guide... put the thing away!!!

On a more serious note...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...All right, then, someone else hurry up and post, so we can invoke the "first three posters" rule and begin the accusations.

Three.

I don't know what to start with, so just for recapitulation: we have what, 3 wolves, seer, hunter, and ranger. Given the numbers... given the numbers, I just hope we lynch people wisely. Then again, the odds are not that bad, the chance to lynch a Wolf is not that low. Also (and now perhaps something at least partially substantial comes at last), is it wise to assume that with this low numbers, the WWs won't wish to vote/accuse/whatever each other? Discuss

[Boromir88]

3 chaps? Nature is more deadly than 3 chaps. As much as we can love and protect nature, nature tends to find some pretty gruesome and painful ways to kill us. Alligators, bears, poisoned mushrooms, spiders, rabid raccoons, manchineel. If you don't die, you will at least be in remarkable pain.

Originally Posted by Legate

Also (and now perhaps something at least partially substantial comes at last), is it wise to assume that with this low numbers, the WWs won't wish to vote/accuse/whatever each other? Discuss

It always depends upon the wolf, you know this. They can win with 1 just as they can win with 3. It probably doesn't matter to them. I trust also by "lynching wisely" you mean don't lynch the gifteds? Easier said then done, since gifteds typically by the nature of their role, attract more attention then wolves.

[satansaloser2005]

Boro, my prince, hold me. Our beloved Shasta is dead, and these horrible villains could come after any one of us next. How will we cope?

Simple. We will run away, our lives again like the fairy tale of old, and we shall rid ourselves of this predicament and be free to be together forever. What say you, my love?

[Galadriel55]

Laeko and Azura to be left alive toDay.

Nerwen, Legate, Kath, and Kit sound fairly reasonable to me. I don't think I'm voting them.

Sally posted a lot but said little. She's third highest on the posting rate list, but most of her posts were short, chatty, and of almost no meaning. The only notable thing that she says is that she's innocent (right, we all are...). I want to hear something of content before I make any conclusions about her.

Greenie has the pass.

TEW is really... drifting on the edges, poking here and there in the most random spots every once in a while. I've never played with him yet, so I don't know if this is the norm for him, but his behaviour seems odd to me. Not necessarily wolfishly-odd, but just peculiar.

At the moment I don't have any serious suspicions for Boro and Zil.

That leaves me with a choice of Pitch and Bom. I have a hard time believing they can both be wolves, even considering the possibility of a wolf-on-wolf. They both sound ok at some points and suspicious at others. Choose one!....

I'll follow Boro's sagely advice not to break my brains over it. So...

++MR DISAGREEABLE (PITCH)

First of all, because I remember a game when he and Boro (ranger and hunter respectively) were at each others throats for no reason on D1, and ended up revealing way too early for the usual standarts. I don't want to repeat the mistake of hanging on to him with no solid reason for suspicion. Though I'm still gonna be watching him (who knows, he was also fenrissed because "he sounded queer"), I don't want to vote him based on his jokes and his reasons for his jokes and etc etc.

The second reason - the more weighty one - is that I was ticked off at Pitch in the last game. I just feel like voting him out of spite.

Edit: xed with TEW, Zil, and Kit. And I thought I'm the first to vote Pitchie...

[Galadriel55]

Kath-->Sally
Pitch-->G55
Legate-->TEW
Zil-->Pitch
Kit-->Pitch (xed) (2)
G55-->Pitch (xed) (2)

What is fate playing with us, poor Werewolf players, to have 3 people x-post the same vote?!

:/ *sigh* *bedtime* See y'all toMorrow, unless you lynch me *glares at villagers* or kill me *glares at wolves*.

[Nerwen]

Hey! A Pitchwaggon! I mean, I know what I said about him myself, but... this is pretty sudden, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

++MR DISAGREEABLE (PITCH)

First of all, because I remember a game when he and Boro (ranger and hunter respectively) were at each others throats for no reason on D1, and ended up revealing way too early for the usual standarts. I don't want to repeat the mistake of hanging on to him with no solid reason for suspicion. Though I'm still gonna be watching him (who knows, he was also fenrissed because "he sounded queer"), I don't want to vote him based on his jokes and his reasons for his jokes and etc etc.

I think you must be talking about Bom, not Pitch, here?

EDIT: x'd with Boro.

[satansaloser2005]

Dudes, this is messed up.

I'll be home in about fifteen minutes. Try not to go crazier, okay?

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I really can't see what gave her away, unless it was one of the things I just mentioned, which aren't exactly obvious. Maybe the wolves are using my kill list now.

I think the wolves lucked out. Sally says a lot without really giving anything away until her vote post.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I see Nerwen is thinking much along the same lines as I am; also, I think the point about Kath is a good one.

And I've thought along the same lines myself. I should read all the current posts instead of skimming.

I'm interested in how Nerwen and Legate are going back and forth right now. Nerwen, you seem awfully jumpy about it.

[Inziladun]

I wanted to look at one who hasn't really been in the spotlight.

Day 1

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I honestly forgot the Day had started. I thought about it five minutes ago. I'm rushing to catch up and take care of RL stuff at the same time. I'll return in...half an hourish with comments.

First post. Nothing noteworthy.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Cake, lots of cake.

Could be crazy enough to work though, depends on the wolves.


Was it you?


Rage against GoT RAGE!

These first few responses are directed at various people, including me. Again, nothing stands out.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I find the back and forth between Pitch, Boro, and Bom interesting, for reasons I have yet to decide on.
Boro:
Pitch:
These three posts are what jumped out at me.
In regards to what Boro said about Bom using jokes as a shield I think that can be said for most everyone on Day 1. I thought it was interesting Boro brought up only Bom.
I like the point Pitch made, but not because it was directed at Bom, but I think that's a good thing to keep in mind in general. Any one of these banter/ silly accusations could be easily forgotten and then built on later for good or evil. It's a stretch, but some banter shouldn't be completely discarded.

What I've seen as most interesting is Bom's defense of his jokes over the course of a few of his posts. (15 & 20 mostly). That seemed fishy to me. I shouldn't be too quick to judge though, he's not the only one to keep bringing up the joke posts. Inzil, Boro, and Pitch made more than one mention of it as well.

It seems like too easy a target to jump on. I guess at least it's circulating conversation...

She zeros in on the exchanges among Bom, Boro, and Pitch. She thought Pitch had a good point, and she didn't like the way Bom was defending his jokes. But then she decided that Bom was "too easy a target to jump on".

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Gods, I must leave the game over GoT, I swear I will. *puts fingers in ears...er eyes*

I know I came late and time is short, but you explain why he's so vicious?

Next was a throwaway remark to Pitch, followed by a question to Bom over why he said Pitch was "vicious".

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I read this post after making my above observations. I feel much the same way.

She then agrees with G55 that the debate over Bom and his jokes was "pointless".

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I would like an explanation from Bom as well, but this seems like Pitchie got his hackles raised.

Next, she responds to Pitch, saying she wanted more from Bom as well, but apparently thought Pitch was overreacting.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

(I'm sorry my post is all over the place, train of thought writing tonight I'm afraid.)
In response to this, Pitch seems reasonable enough in what he said to G55. I agreed with G55 that something more interesting could be going on, but Pitch isn't being unreasonable in saying playing the middle ground is as wolfish as anything else. I don't agree with him in this case, but I don't this is an example of him being vicious.

There she disagrees with Bom about Pitch's "viciousness".

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I feel out of the Inzil, Boro, Bom, and Pitch thing, Boro speaks the most sense. I don't know how I feel about Inzil. And Bom and Pitch are at each others' throats.
Pitch makes a good point about G55 and how she is just sort of straddling the middle ground, but I don't really like how he got his hackles up when Bom called him vicious. I don't agree with Bom when he says Pitch is vicious, but his reaction was kind of alarming.
Bom is no better with getting his panties all up in a twist. He jokes, he's not the only one, bringing that up initially might have been a waste of time, but watching his reaction and others has made for interesting debate. Nerwen calls him an easy target. I don't know how true that is, but he certainly isn't doing himself any favors by getting so worked up. The more worked up he gets the more noticeable and suspicious he becomes. Wolves and innocents do this and that's why I think he's so dangerous. On the other hand Pitch is helping him stay in the spotlight and that's equally as dangerous.

Ok, so here she doesn't seem to able to make up her mind who looks the worst out of the Bom/Pitch pair. Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

On another topic Kath's vote reasoning has me worried.

I read this like Kath wants to bandwagon Sally to scare her into revealing something that may or may not be there. That seems downright dastardly to me.

Now comes a suspicion about Kath's vote, which was somewhat dodgy. The only thing I find odd about Kit's response is that she calls it "downright dastardly", which seems a pretty strong condemnation.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I need to sleep. I'm sorry I missed the Day. I wish I had more time to comment and reread.

Honestly I wish I could vote for Bom and Pitch. I feel like they're both trying to push the other into the spotlight. It's not a good deal. The other two most connected with this (Boro and Inzil) have both stepped back, but these two are dangerous in my mind.

Bom made a joke and the reactions have become the thing of debate. He's been overreacting since the start. He's building a case of a vicious Pitch who is just attacking everyone.

Pitch, I have agreed with on some of his points. I don't think he latched onto G55 as soon as she entered, but made a reasonable comment in regards to her dove on the olive branch. However this quote is the most worrying thing I've seen so far: Pitch spoke reason at times, but this seems way too suspicious. He's pulling an innocent Bom in at the same time as pushing a wolfie Bom back, if that makes sense.

This was a tough choice, but rereading Pitch's reaction to Bom's vicious comment made my mind up.

++ Pitch

Here's her vote for Pitch, which crossed with mine.
She did a fairly detailed analysis of the Bom/Pitch matter, and seemed to come out of it undecided. She says it was Pitch's reaction to Bom's "vicious" naming that swayed her in the end. That's all well and good.

I have to wonder, though, what happened to the concern over Kath being "downright dastardly"? Was that not worth a vote"

Day 2

Originally Posted by Kitanna

The first three votes for Pitch came in pretty quick succession. I believe she had no idea Zil and I voted for him, just like I had no idea Zil had voted for him when I put mine down. However, Pitch was generating a lot of conversation and suspicion around him. I don't like this reasoning of "just out of spite" because Pitch wasn't just a random player who hadn't had much activity.

Dislikes G55's reasoning for voting Pitch. I can't argue with that.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

She seems to have gotten confused between Pitch and Bom here. Given how much Bom's jokes were discussed that's just unbelievable to me. And then there's the aforementioned reason she gave which as far as I can tell is directed at Pitch and not a Bom reason by mistake.

Moving on, I feel like Boro speaks a lot of sense in his next posts. He makes some observations regarding Kath's vote, the way Pitch and Bom both backed down after G55's "this is pointless" post, and the Pitch bandwagon (coincidence or nefarious activity?). He's certainly the most sensible person in my opinion, which means he can't be trusted.

Bom votes for Pitch and that hardly comes as a surprise. I was wrong about Pitch and now I wonder how wrong I've been about Bom. I easily could have voted for him as well, now I'm going to have to examine him closer than I had the chance to before.

Thinks G55 got Bom and Pitch confused. Thinks Boro is sensible, and wonders about Bom some more.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

*slap*

Sally voted for TeW because
I would like more details on this suspicion.

Boro votes for Kath, no surprise there. Nerwen does too. Nerwen gives the reason that she doesn't a universal bandwagon and Kath's vote was suspect. But in the same breath she states Kath may just not know what to do, thus defending her. When Nerwen made her reasoning post Boro was already commenting that he might vote for Kath even if it was a throwaway. Then Nerwen agrees? I don't know about that. Stop one bandwagon and attempt to start another?

I don't get Boro's "winter is coming" remark and the accompanying *slap*. I guess it's an inside joke.
Kit wants details from Sally about why she voted TEW.
She then casts some suspicion on Nerwen's vote for Kath, saying she didn't like the way Nerwen had defended Kath, then voted for her anyway.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

TODAY
I'm glad Nerwen did an analysis of E-W because I wouldn't have had time to.


I feel the people listed here (Pitch excluded) deserve some looking over. Nerwen may have a point here.

Agrees with Nerwen that Legate and I should be looked at because TEW suspected us.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Mmmm

So based on yesterday's votes I think Kath, G55, and Nerwen are looking the worst now.

I stated my reasons regarding Kath in my lengthy post yesterday. Her "let's get a cornered sally to fight" reasoning was just too suspicious for me.

G55 spent a long time talking about how pointless the debate over jokes were, then she turns around a votes for one of the main players. She confuses Bom and Pitch and then makes a "I'm sorry, it was a mistake" post this morning. I don't like that either. Her actual reason for voting for Pitch (out of spite) was no better. Him and Bom had both garnered a lot of attention. I would have been surprised if neither one of them was voted for and then she makes that comment? Not very nice at all, precious.

And Nerwen. Her vote for Kath wasn't a surprise because she had said earlier it might be a possibility. But I don't like the placement of her reasoning. She says she wants to stop a universal bandwagon and because Kath's vote is suspect after Boro says he's probably voting for Kath. As I said earlier, one bandwagon for another? I don't think Kath was ever really in danger of being lynched yesterday, but Nerwen's reasoning are too convenient for my liking.

Concludes that Kath, G55, and Nerwen look the worst at that moment.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

We run a lot of risk doing this. We may save ourselves too many innocent loses, but we also buy the wolves time as well. I'd rather not waste my vote on people who are in danger of modfire. I want to use my vote on someone I actually suspect. And if everyone says "well they're dead anyway" and votes like that we have no trail to follow on Day 3 where voting is concerned. It's easier to hide behind comments, but hiding behind votes is oh so much harder.

This was a response to Sally's "lynch the modfires" proposition.
I agreed with this.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I'm not crazy about this reasoning. Bandwagons like the one against Pitch can reveal a lot. He was suspicious to a number of people and everyone had a different reason. It's not like the bandwagon of possible modfires Sally suggested that leaves no traces. But more importantly I don't like that you brought up this plan after Boro. Seemed too opportunistic.

Reiterates that Nerwen's reasoning for voted Kath was suspicious.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I have clearly aligned with myself. Team Kit!

Apparently joking response to Greenie.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I have already disagreed with your plan, but if it wasn't a complete waste I would vote for them on the grounds of being inconsiderate. If you're not going to comment or vote at all wait until you can join a game where you can. /anger

Says to Sally that she still doesn't want to lynch the potential modfires, but dislikes the non-participation. Nothing really to say about that.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Someone you trusted like a fellow wolf, perhaps?

An unfocused accusation against Sally. Joking?

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I missed the post by Bom. I wish I had seen that before voting yesterday. I don't know if I'd have changed my vote, but it would have given me more to consider. Bom's pretty much disappeared today and that's a shame because I wasn't done suspecting him. But I won't sit here and regurgitate what I've already said about him.

A response to Boro about Bom.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I tend to go after Sally because she makes more posts than anyone, but only about 10% or her posts have substance. So I sympathize with Kath there. But even so there are better ways to scare up a Sally than a vote. But I guess when you're pressed for time you have to work with what you got. Still...

This was to Kath, who had said why she voted for Sally. Kit seems to accept the explanation, at least partly.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Every slip of the tongue is scrutinized in WW, for better or worse. The more important suspicion for me is the fact you said you were voting for Pitch out of spite, but he'd garnered a lot of suspicion already. You cross posted so you thought you were the first to vote for him, but he had a lot of buzz and so I don't buy you "out of spite" reasoning.

That was to G55. Kit wasn't going for her defense of her Pitch vote.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I'm against protecting your lot. You're lucky you didn't really say anything yesterday.

A response to Laeko.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I got no time today. If I live until Day 3 I will be around for actual comment. I only had some time to skim and I narrowed my choices to Nerwen, G55, and Bom. For now I'm putting Kath on a watch list because I still don't like her vote reasoning. But I like the others less.

++ Bom

He hasn't said anything today...that I noticed at least. But I reread his posts and his comment about Pitch being vicious got Pitch all worked up and I used that as a reason to vote Pitch yesterday. Upon rereading his posts I find that a pretty wolfish move. It made Pitch look bad when he reacted (at least in my eyes) and kept him prevalent in people's minds. He backed off Pitch, but still voted for him. Not good at all.

And a vote for Bom. Now, I said myself that Bom not being around shouldn't necessarily stop one from voting for him, if one had a sound suspicion. She'd said earlier that Day that Kath, G55, and Nerwen were her top 3 suspects, yet went with Bom, despite lamenting that he hadn't been around.

Day 3

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Conclusions on Sally
1) She suspected and voted E-W based on his analysis post. I second whoever said she probably dreamt of him on Night 2. She did seem adamant about finding out why E-W over others on Nerwen's kill-list.
2) She kept returning to that idea. I'm not sure why.
3) Her modfire idea was ill conceived and even she backed down right away. This above all else tells me she probably only dreamt ordos and no wolves. If she had put Laeko or Azura forward as a lynch candidate I could believe she dreamt one a wolf.
4) In post 151 she tells Nerwen she suspects her more than G55 (at least I believe that's who she's referring to. But she still votes G55. I think Sally wanted to dream Nerwen at this point. If Sally meant that to be a hint, it was subtle and unless the wolves expected her to be the Seer and were looking for those clues, I can't say how much that means in the long run.
Obviously I'm not alone here.
5) I think Sally may have dreamt of Kath. Just based on her reaction to Kath's vote for her on Day 1. I've seen Sally get worked up over votes like that, but she was calm and didn't accuse Kath of her own Lupine activity.

Her main conclusion is that Kath was likely Sally's Night 1 dream.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I think the wolves lucked out. Sally says a lot without really giving anything away until her vote post.

And I've thought along the same lines myself. I should read all the current posts instead of skimming.

I'm interested in how Nerwen and Legate are going back and forth right now. Nerwen, you seem awfully jumpy about it.

Interested in the exchange between Legate and Nerwen, concluding that Nerwen seems "jumpy".

Well, what to say? I agree with many of the things Kit has said, and the wishy-washiness about Bom and Pitch seems understandable.

Her votes are suspect, though. She levelled such a strong accusation against Kath on Day 1, then didn't follow it up with a vote. She'd spent a lot a time on the Bom/Pitch thing, but she didn't use such firm language with either of them as she did with Kath.

And on Day 2, she votes for one who hadn't been around, Bom, when she admittedly had 3 other suspects who had been active.

Conclusion? Colour Bright Amber, verging on Red.