The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Movies
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-23-2015, 04:26 PM   #1
Michael Murry
Animated Skeleton
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 46
Michael Murry has just left Hobbiton.
New Theory Blames Bilbo for Bad Hobbit Movies

I just stumbled upon this little piece of -- I hardly know what to call it -- "explanation" as to why the Hobbit movies stank "like the Volga River at low tide," to quote Count Dracula in the movie Love at First Bite. From The Huffington Post:

"This Theory Perfectly Explains Why 'The Hobbit' Movies Were So Bad."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ef=mostpopular

Yeah. Blame Bilbo.
__________________
"If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." -- Tweedledee
Michael Murry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2015, 07:18 PM   #2
Inziladun
Gruesome Spectre
 
Inziladun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Heaven's doorstep
Posts: 7,443
Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.
Huffpo makes semi-sense at times; they also put up stuff like this.

Is it really that hard to fathom that some people want Hollywood to at least show some respect for the source material they're adapting?
__________________
Music alone proves the existence of God.

Last edited by Inziladun; 08-23-2015 at 07:23 PM.
Inziladun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2015, 07:27 PM   #3
Lotrelf
Shade of Carn Dūm
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 265
Lotrelf has just left Hobbiton.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inziladun View Post
Huffpo makes semi-sense at times; they also put up stuff like this.

Is it really that hard to fathom that some people want Hollywood to at least show some respect for the source material they're adapting?
What are we supposed to think? Are we to question Tolkien's storytelling or that of Bilbo's? Blame the writers, blame the others but not blame Bilbo!!
__________________
A short saying oft contains much wisdom.
~Sophocles
Lotrelf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2015, 08:51 PM   #4
Zigūr
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Zigūr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 722
Zigūr is a guest at the Prancing Pony.Zigūr is a guest at the Prancing Pony.
I'm fairly sure if you think about this too hard you end up in a spiral staircase of logic.

At first I thought "You could see it that way - the exaggerated version of Bilbo in the films might dream up the events of the films."

But then... film Bilbo is a character in film Bilbo's narrative (which he apparently dreamed up).

Therefore the exaggerated Bilbo of the film's narrative dreams up the film's exaggerated narrative, because he is the exaggerated character of an exaggerated narrative.

__________________
"Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir."
"On foot?" cried Éomer.
Zigūr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2015, 07:24 AM   #5
Morthoron
Curmudgeonly Wordwraith
 
Morthoron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits
Posts: 2,312
Morthoron is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Morthoron is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Morthoron is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Morthoron is lost in the dark paths of Moria.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zigūr View Post
I'm fairly sure if you think about this too hard you end up in a spiral staircase of logic.

At first I thought "You could see it that way - the exaggerated version of Bilbo in the films might dream up the events of the films."

But then... film Bilbo is a character in film Bilbo's narrative (which he apparently dreamed up).

Therefore the exaggerated Bilbo of the film's narrative dreams up the film's exaggerated narrative, because he is the exaggerated character of an exaggerated narrative.

If someone, like Bilbo, for instance, were to offer an exaggerated version of their exploits, shouldn't their exploits be then exaggerated and not minimized, as they are in the film? When someone writes something autobiographical in nature, how often does the writer conflate other's roles and eliminate their own?
__________________
Please visit my newly resurrected blog...The Dark Elf File...a slightly skewed journal of music and literary comment, fan-fiction and interminable essays.
Morthoron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2015, 08:14 AM   #6
alatar
Doubting Dwimmerlaik
 
alatar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Heaven's basement
Posts: 2,488
alatar is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.alatar is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
The article (and pro-Jackson fan theory) make absolutely no sense. Assume that Bilbo exaggerated his exploits in his book. Peter Jackson used little of the story in this book when making his ill-named movies.

So did Peter Jackson film what really happened (discounting Bilbo writings, who assumedly exaggerated his adventures), or did he exaggerate Bilbo's exaggerated account?

Me head is spinning.
__________________
There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.
alatar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2015, 08:16 AM   #7
Zigūr
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Zigūr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 722
Zigūr is a guest at the Prancing Pony.Zigūr is a guest at the Prancing Pony.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morthoron View Post
If someone, like Bilbo, for instance, were to offer an exaggerated version of their exploits, shouldn't their exploits be then exaggerated and not minimized, as they are in the film? When someone writes something autobiographical in nature, how often does the writer conflate other's roles and eliminate their own?
Yes the original comment includes this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Some person on Reddit
After seeing nearly all his belongings sold after returning home in the last movie, Bilbo probably felt disappointed that his life now meant nothing more to the residents of the Shire than it did when he left. To justify his long absence and appear more amazing to his fellow Hobbits, he sought to make the recording of his trip as fantastic as he could, turning each small detail into ordeals far larger and drawn out than they actually were, thus events which only filled a small book turned into three separate movies.
Which does leave one wondering... if he wanted to justify his long absence, why would he, as the films present, show himself doing virtually nothing while all the major events involved various Dwarves, Elves, one hundred and fifty year dead Orcs and so on?

Really what this fan theory achieves is to actually make the films' problems with tone and focus more apparent rather than offering a solution to them, in my view at least.
__________________
"Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir."
"On foot?" cried Éomer.
Zigūr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:03 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.