how did sauron manage to trick the elves... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Morgul Queen · 08-20-2002, 09:48 PM

into making the rings of power and if the elves didnt know what they were to be used for how could they give them the power to govern each race?????????????????!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Davin · 08-20-2002, 10:58 PM

Sauron was there when the rings were made, and he watched them as they were made, and they were tainted by him. I guess that's why....

Legolas · 08-21-2002, 10:32 AM

Deception, silly.

Aramacil · 08-21-2002, 12:38 PM

the elfs are good, but they are not perfect.

they were just mislead by Sauron

08-21-2002, 06:52 PM

Okay I'm really confused! [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Davin · 08-21-2002, 06:54 PM

Sauron is better than the Elves. He is stronger and better...that's why........

He tricks them. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Orome · 08-21-2002, 09:07 PM

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into making the rings of power and if the elves didnt know what they were to be used for how could they give them the power to govern each race?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!

well several things.
1) the rings dont govern the races
2)he didn't trick them into making the rings, he helped them to make more powerful ones, and while making them he made it so they would corrupt the user. he helped with the making of the seven and the nine, although it is debatable over whether or not it worked on the dwarves (even tolkien is not sure) Celebrimbor alone made the three, so saurons taint was not upon them hope that helps

maleliel · 08-28-2002, 02:21 PM

Didn't he also put on his most fair form? I read that somewhere and I think that must have helped with decieving the Elves.

Eol · 08-29-2002, 11:28 AM

Sauron mingled among the elves and decieved them. Sauron also a maiar that was corrupted by Morgoth.

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It was Eregion that the counsels of Sauron were most gladly received, for in that land the Noldor desired ever to increase the skil and the subtlety of their works. Pg 287 Silmarillion- Of the rings of poer and the third age

He was in disguise and only a few of the elves doubting him( Elrond and Gil-galad). He took on a name, meaning Lord of Gifts and offered to help and advise the elves. Sauron wanted the elves for their power. They were also harder to sway to teh "dark" side unlike the men. So the elves were greatly desired by Sauron.

That is atleast the start and what is offered in the Silmarillion( which I trust a little more then later stuff that has been put out).

Rohirrim Lass · 08-29-2002, 12:50 PM

Here are my two cents, for what they're worth (and I bet you can guess!):

-The elves have a history of being swayed by the wrong people. Just read the Sil...
-The Elvish rings weren't actually ever tainted by Sauron, because they will stand no evil. This is reverse logic here, but since I read part two, I assume part one is correct.

Eol · 08-29-2002, 12:55 PM

What do you mean part2? The second part of the Sil? If so, then you are right on that....it is one of the underlying themes.

08-20-2002, 09:48 PM	#1
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	how did sauron manage to trick the elves... into making the rings of power and if the elves didnt know what they were to be used for how could they give them the power to govern each race?????????????????!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

08-20-2002, 10:58 PM	#2
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	Sauron was there when the rings were made, and he watched them as they were made, and they were tainted by him. I guess that's why.... __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-21-2002, 10:32 AM	#3
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,850	Deception, silly. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

08-21-2002, 12:38 PM	#4
Aramacil Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 131	the elfs are good, but they are not perfect. they were just mislead by Sauron __________________ "I will take the Ring," he said, "though I do not know the way."

08-21-2002, 06:54 PM	#6
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	Sauron is better than the Elves. He is stronger and better...that's why........ He tricks them. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-21-2002, 06:52 PM	#5
Rhocolan Guest Posts: n/a	Okay I'm really confused! [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

08-28-2002, 02:21 PM	#8
maleliel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 38	Didn't he also put on his most fair form? I read that somewhere and I think that must have helped with decieving the Elves. __________________ "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future"

08-29-2002, 12:50 PM	#10
Rohirrim Lass Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where ever... Posts: 25	Here are my two cents, for what they're worth (and I bet you can guess!): -The elves have a history of being swayed by the wrong people. Just read the Sil... -The Elvish rings weren't actually ever tainted by Sauron, because they will stand no evil. This is reverse logic here, but since I read part two, I assume part one is correct.

08-29-2002, 12:55 PM	#11
Eol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Pacific Northwest - Tir Nan Og Posts: 306	What do you mean part2? The second part of the Sil? If so, then you are right on that....it is one of the underlying themes. __________________ Mes sana in corpec sano- (lt.) A sound mind in a sound body