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Old 09-09-2019, 03:21 PM   #8081
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14. Estolad?

2. Ossiriand?

Both guesses are because they sound like the phrases you used in the clues.

Region (last page) guessed because a region is an area.
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Old 09-09-2019, 03:36 PM   #8082
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10 Lhun Attila is generally known as Attila the Hun which could be rendered into French as líhun. Lhun was the river that ran out to sea and The Grey Havens was near its mouth.
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Mith referring to Eregion has given me the idea that the 'area with trees' one is REGION.
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14. Estolad?

2. Ossiriand?

Both guesses are because they sound like the phrases you used in the clues.

Region (last page) guessed because a region is an area.
Yes, yes, yes, and yes! And all for the right reasons too.

1. - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
4. - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
5. - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
6. - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
7. - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
8. - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
9. - A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
11. - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
12. - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
13. - Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
15. - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.


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Old 09-09-2019, 04:50 PM   #8083
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15 almost makes ELROND (rod + len) but there's no article. Is there such a place as Noreland?
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:34 PM   #8084
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I think the scrambled article is EGG.

EGLAROND? I don't get the LENS bit, though.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:43 PM   #8085
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Got it! It's NELDORETH.

LEN + ROD + THE.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:47 PM   #8086
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10 Lhun Attila is generally known as Attila the Hun which could be rendered into French as líhun. Lhun was the river that ran out to sea and The Grey Havens was near its mouth.

5 I canít get beyond Eregion which I think literally means ďof hollyĒ.
Is 5 Eregion, as per Mithalwen's guess?
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:49 PM   #8087
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8 should be caves - Latin cautions as in cave canem but canít think of any that fit the rest of the clue.
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Got it! It's NELDORETH.

LEN + ROD + THE.
Aha! Nice work.

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8 should be caves - Latin cautions as in cave canem but canít think of any that fit the rest of the clue.
If you're right about caves I believe I might be able to supply the rest. Thou, the formal (or informal, depending on your time period) you, and pretty much send, gives you THOUSAND CAVES.
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9. Osgiliath?

Alerted to this by the word 'capital,' but it has most of Goliath in it, (or all, with a little scrambling).
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Aha! Nice work.



If you're right about caves I believe I might be able to supply the rest. Thou, the formal (or informal, depending on your time period) you, and pretty much send, gives you THOUSAND CAVES.
Clever cub. I was trying Eovish names and anagrams and getting nowhere.
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:00 PM   #8092
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Or maybe Forests of Lorien?

(One too many letters for Lakes).

And I think 15 has to be Neldoreth.

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11. OLD FOREST.

OLD ... FOR REST (off to bed).
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12. RATHLORIEL.

Second name of Ascar.

(W)RATH plus 'law o' 'el.'
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Old 09-11-2019, 03:12 AM   #8094
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Yikes, I go away for one day...! Let's see then:

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15 almost makes ELROND (rod + len) but there's no article. Is there such a place as Noreland?
Apparently Norelands is an Irish horse breeder. So that's a no.

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Got it! It's NELDORETH.

LEN + ROD + THE.
Yep! All reversed, except 'the' needs to be mixed up as well (unless you write it in Tengwar, which treats 'th' as a single character).

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Is 5 Eregion, as per Mithalwen's guess?
It is not; sorry, I got this crossed with Region for #3.

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8 should be caves - Latin cautions as in cave canem but canít think of any that fit the rest of the clue.
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If you're right about caves I believe I might be able to supply the rest. Thou, the formal (or informal, depending on your time period) you, and pretty much send, gives you THOUSAND CAVES.
You got it between you!

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9. Osgiliath?

Alerted to this by the word 'capital,' but it has most of Goliath in it, (or all, with a little scrambling).
Nope. 'Capital' is the straight clue though.

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Password guess: Northern lakes?
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Or maybe Forests of Lorien?

(One too many letters for Lakes).
Neither of these is correct, though one of them is partly so.

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11. OLD FOREST.

OLD ... FOR REST (off to bed).
^_^ Sorry, I can't resist a 'here = Barrow-Downs' joke.

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12. RATHLORIEL.

Second name of Ascar.

(W)RATH plus 'law o' 'el.'
Spot on (renamed after the Battle of Sarn Athrad). Which brings us to...

1. - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
4. - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
5. - By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
6. - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
7. - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
9. - A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
13. - Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.


Two of the remaining clues use (and state that they use) the second letter of the answer. Other than that, they're all initials.

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North to Lorien?
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North to Lorien?
That doesn't even fit with the length of the password.

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Forests to Lorien?
Nope.

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Then what is it?! I've searched everything and am drawing a blank. I thought of Moria to Lothlorien and journey to Lorien, but none of those fit either.
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Border to Lorien, maybe?
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Osgiliath was Gondor's original capital ... I *was* using 'capital' as the straight clue.

Clearly not the right answer, though.

No other capitals seemed to work ... Caras Galadhon? Tirion? Is Avallone the capital of Tol Eressea?

Maybe it's the kind of capital that means money. Or great ('a capital fellow.')
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Then what is it?! I've searched everything and am drawing a blank. I thought of Moria to Lothlorien and journey to Lorien, but none of those fit either.
Oh, well, since you ask, the answer is--

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Border to Lorien, maybe?
Nope.

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Osgiliath was Gondor's original capital ... I *was* using 'capital' as the straight clue.
I know you were; I was confirming that doing so was correct.

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Clearly not the right answer, though.

No other capitals seemed to work ... Caras Galadhon? Tirion? Is Avallone the capital of Tol Eressea?

Maybe it's the kind of capital that means money. Or great ('a capital fellow.')
It's a capital as in capital... well, 'city' might be pushing it. Though the clue doesn't end with '... is the capital'.

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Borgia are the first Italian nobles that come to mind....
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Maybe some hints?
I'm not going to give you hints for the password itself, and prior to this post the only clue someone had guessed anything for that I hadn't offered a hint in response was #5, which was just way off.

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Borgia are the first Italian nobles that come to mind....
No specific Italians were harmed in the making of this clue.

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Ah, maybe the Italian word for dukes or earls, then.

...

LINDON.

'A little later' means it's the 'I' (for igloo) that counts.

'LINE' shortened, plus DON.

And Lindon has a shoreline.
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'Doriath to Lorien' for the password, perhaps?
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Ah, maybe the Italian word for dukes or earls, then.

...

LINDON.

'A little later' means it's the 'I' that counts.

'LINE' shortened, plus DON.

And Lindon has a shoreline.
Perfect in every particular.

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'Doriath to Lorien' for the password, perhaps?
And there it is. According to my map-matching, all of these places lie on the direct line from Menegroth to Caras Galadhon (extended out in both directions to the farthest borders of Doriath and Lorien, though I forget whether that's actually relevant).

D? -- A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
A? -- By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
T? -- Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
H? -- A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.


Six clues to go.

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1. DIMBAR? If that's between two rivers.

DIM + BAR.
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1. DIMBAR? If that's between two rivers.

DIM + BAR.
It is (the Sirion and the Mindeb; it's the tongue of land between Neldoreth and Brethil, so falls 'inside' the borders of Lorien).

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
A? -- By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
T? -- Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
H? -- A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.


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Ah - I didn't see the smaller map in the corner (have only seen the link on my phone) so was originally expecting all Third Age answers.

You mean you can pinpoint exactly where Third Age places are on a First Age map, and vice versa?
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Is A the long elvish name for ATHELAS (ASEA ARANION - aranion is a little bit like Eregion = Hollin) - or maybe ATHELAS itself?
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:47 AM   #8113
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H might be Hobbiton Ho! Could be a greeting, A metric tonne I think is a thousand kilos and hobbits and rabbits are basically the same thing
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I wonder if T is a river in the sense of 'riving' something in two or destroying it.

Because neither Teiglin/Taeglin, Thalos nor Thistle Brook seem to contain any of the cryptic elements of the clue.

Plus 'river' sounds a bit too easy. Not sure anyone has ever written it that straight in a clue ... usually if someone is indicating that the answer is a river, they will say flower / it flows / say it's damp / etc.
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That made me wonder about Tharbad where5he bridge was broken but 5hat doesnít work either that I can tell.
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TAEGLIN has 5 letters of GAUNTLET, but big and purple??

I suppose a mountain head could be big and purple, as in the famous hymn. (Remembers a Spitting Image sketch with puppets of the Rev Robert Runcie and Mary Whitehouse ).
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Are you thinking maybe of The Redhorn Pass then?
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Ah - I didn't see the smaller map in the corner (have only seen the link on my phone) so was originally expecting all Third Age answers.

You mean you can pinpoint exactly where Third Age places are on a First Age map, and vice versa?
Well, I like to think so! The key is this rather uglier map, which uses Section B of the First Lord of the Rings map (from HoME VII) to connect the two. That section is unique in including both Himring and Tol Fuin; with both of those plus the Blue Mountains, it's relatively simple to place Beleriand on the coast of Eriador. (As a nice bonus, and hint that the match is right, I found that the scale-grid on the Silmarillion map was precisely half the size of that on the First Map.)

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Is A the long elvish name for ATHELAS (ASEA ARANION - aranion is a little bit like Eregion = Hollin) - or maybe ATHELAS itself?
It isn't. 'Rosie' was closer.

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H might be Hobbiton Ho! Could be a greeting, A metric tonne I think is a thousand kilos and hobbits and rabbits are basically the same thing
Correct! Ho before (over) most of 'rabbit ton'. The fact that my line crossed right through Hobbiton was the point when I was sure I'd do this password.

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I wonder if T is a river in the sense of 'riving' something in two or destroying it.

Because neither Teiglin/Taeglin, Thalos nor Thistle Brook seem to contain any of the cryptic elements of the clue.

Plus 'river' sounds a bit too easy. Not sure anyone has ever written it that straight in a clue ... usually if someone is indicating that the answer is a river, they will say flower / it flows / say it's damp / etc.
No, who would do something like that? <_< >_>

... actually, you got the answer in there. It is THALOS; now tell me why. ^_^

DIMBAR - A dull pub between the rivers.
OSSIRIAND - I say: Oh sir! I hand this damp place (to you).
REGION - An area, with trees.
LINDON - A little later, the shortened line of Italian nobles stands on the shore.
A? -- By a slightly longer name, would still smell as sweet, and probably of holly.
THALOS - Big, purple, fancy glove - no, sorry, I misread, it's just a river.
HOBBITON - A cry of greeting over most of a thousand kilos of rabbits, just outside the door.
THOUSAND CAVES - You send, formally and pretty much, Latin cautions underground.
O? -- A division without us? Normally after a short monster where the capital stands.
LHUN - Attila in bad French runs towards a haven.
OLD FOREST - I am aged, I am off to bed, I am just west of here.
RATHLORIEL - In anger and the voice of the laws of Hell, name me a second time after the battle.
I? -- Hell, Mike reversed into a pit and found the leader a step in.
ESTOLAD - He stole ads? You'd never hear it once in the camp.
NELDORETH - A scrambled article, a stick, and a singular lens got turned around in the woods.


A, O, and I to go.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infinity_Gauntlet ?
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That's the large, purple, glove-wearing birdie.

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