The Begining of the Two Towers? PLEASE POST! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rose Cotton · 03-03-2002, 04:09 PM

How do you think Pete will start the next movie? The book starts with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli but do you think Pete will do the same?

03-03-2002, 04:21 PM

Ooh, that's a good question. Personally I think he'll start in with Merry and Pippin waking up in the Orc-camp (the "Uruk-Hai" chapter in TTT). No good reason for thinking this except Merry and Pippin are the characters who are most left at a loose end right now, in movie terms - at the end of FOTR we saw Frodo and Sam at the edge of the Emyn Muil and getting ready to try and cross over to Mordor, and Strider et al preparing to pursue the Orcs. OTOH the last we've seen of Merry and Pippin is them being carried off previous to both these events, and it would make sense to start with them, in a sort of "Meanwhile, while Boromir is being sent over the Falls and Frodo and Sam are climbing the Emyn Muil, here's what's happening to the other two."Also in practical terms Merry and Pippin are much better devices for catching up the audience on what's already happened; it's easy to picture them having a disjointed conversation about "Do you think Frodo made it away all right? What happened to Boromir? Do you suppose Strider's trying to catch up with us?" and so on. It's hard to picture the Three Walkers pausing during the chase to engage in helpful dialogue that will fill the audience in on what's happening, but since Merry and Pippin are trying to figure out what's happening to them exactly it would make sense for them to talk it out.OK, that was a little long. I'm sorry - just call it my 5 cents worth.

Aralaithiel · 03-03-2002, 06:36 PM

Great theory, Kalimac! I agree with you. I just can't wait until Dec. 2002!

03-03-2002, 10:16 PM

Personally, I think they should start with Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn. Next they should put Merry and Pip, and fade over to Fodo and Sam. With the changes PJ is said to be making, who knows what scenes they won't even show

03-03-2002, 11:03 PM

I agree with Kalimac, that's what would make the most sense.

Rosa Underhill · 03-04-2002, 01:18 AM

Welcome to the 'Downs Kalimac (woo hoo, someone else likes the notes on translation, too!) and shire...baggins... (your name is very creepy but very cool nonetheless)! Post often and enjoy yourselves!I agree with Kalimac; starting with Pip and Merry would make the most sense. But my guess is that will really start with a flashback intro, sort of like the one in FotR. More than that, I cannot say.

Calencoire · 07-05-2002, 12:57 PM

I think they should start with Merry and Pippin because they ended with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, and they might forget about Merry and Pippin.

Brinniel · 07-06-2002, 11:28 AM

Does anyone think that in the beginning they will show flashbacks of happened at the end of FOTR to refresh the audience's minds? I wouldn't need it, but the people who are not obsessed and aren't on this site just might.

Nevfeniel · 07-06-2002, 11:32 AM

I agree with Brinniel. A lot of people have short-term memories, and would like their memories refreshed. Who else thinks there's going to be some voice that comes on, saying, "When we last left our story, Pippin and Merry had been kidnapped by orcs, Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli searching for them, Frodo and Sam out to find Mt. Doom, and Boromir was falling down a waterfall."

Greyhame · 07-06-2002, 11:37 AM

I hope not.

*Varda* · 07-06-2002, 01:25 PM

I would hate it if they did that! People should be able to remember (if only vaguely) what happened in the movie before! It's just pandering to some people's ignorance...

Gorothlammothiel · 07-06-2002, 03:35 PM

Humm......PJ may start the way the books do, but as we all well know, the ignorance of others who haven't read the book will lead to them getting bored if they dont see the ring-bearer and Sam in the opening scenes, they might not be able to follow properly so i'm guessing we will see Frodo and Sam earlier than in the book.

Tigerlily Gamgee · 07-06-2002, 04:19 PM

Perhaps it will start with a narration over action as the first one did. Narrated by Cate Blanchett, or another cast member. There can be brief glimpses of all of the characters with short descriptions of where they were just at the end of the last movie and where they are heading now. It's starts with a shot of a group of Orcs running over the plains and then a short glipse of Merry and Pippin being tossed to the ground. Then it flashes over to Frodo and Sam and tells of where they are heading and then you see big green eyes peering at them from behind. Then it flases over to Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, and the story begins with then searching and Aragorn finding the leaf brooch. Then the words "The Two Towers" appear on the screen.That's a theory. I really have no idea, but I am sure it will be great and I can't wait!!!!!!!

Ithaeliel · 07-06-2002, 05:06 PM

I think they'll start with Galadriel's voice just skimming over the events at Amon Hen, like she sort of did in the first film, and then fading in to Legolas, Aragorn, and Gimli.

greyhavener · 08-13-2002, 01:54 PM

I think they'll do a narration and start with Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn in order to maintain suspense about Merry and Pippin a little longer for the people who haven't read the books. I like the idea of bringing everyone up to speed through a conversation between Merry and Pippin, but I think the narration is a more efficient device and more in keeping with Tolkien's style.

Birdland · 08-13-2002, 06:02 PM

I always thought an interesting lead-in to start the T.T. off would be to show Boromir's body floating down the river, and the scene where his brother Faramir discovers him. You could have a tragic scene with Faramir trying to reach his brother, and questioning his fate, then fade to the Three Walkers following the Orcs.Or Frodo and Sam movin' on. It's all good.

Mornie Alantie · 08-13-2002, 06:12 PM

I think that they are gonna start with an non-fellowship character like Saruman, Elrond or Galadriel. Most likly in theaters they will have the preview of the FOTR.

Eruwen · 08-13-2002, 07:17 PM

I pretty much agree with what people have said already. I think they should do a flashback, then start on the story with each group at a time. Or, as Kalimac said, start w/ Merry and Pippin talking about the recent events. {a.k.a. flashback}

MYyyPreciousSS · 08-14-2002, 01:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think they should start with Merry and Pippin because they ended with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, and they might forget about Merry and Pippin.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree. But before I think Galadriel(as narrator) should tell what the fellowship was set out to do, and about the main idea of The Fellowship of the Ring for people who might not have seen it. Then go to Merry and Pip. Somthing like that..

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-14-2002, 05:02 AM

I don't think the audience should find out that Faramir is the brother of Boromir until after Frodo and Sam have been scared by him. I can't remember who said it but the suggestion that the title 'The Two Towers' should come up after a couple of minutes of explanation was perfect for me. Remember in The Fellowship that the war scenes started off and then the film started proper in Hobbiton. Likewise, I think the ending of The Fellowship will be relayed at the start and then things will mellow out a bit with the three hunters, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas. There'll be a line like 'I cannot even imagine what Merry and Pippin are going through right now' .....and then it will cut to Merry and Pippin, and I just can't wait to see their facial expressions!

Brinniel · 08-14-2002, 10:47 AM

I don't think anyone would narrate the flashbacks. They would probably be just 5 min of scenes of what last happened to each character in FOTR if there are any flashbacks at all, that is.

Rose Cotton · 08-17-2002, 02:49 PM

PJ says there will be no narriteration.This is how I think the begaining should go: The screen is black. You can hear Gollum's voice muttering. Somthing like: "My precious,they stole it" then the title The Two Towers appears. The words fade and in thier place is a picure of a full moon. The camera moves down until you can see a landscape of rocky hills. You can hear Gollum muttering again. Then out of the shadows two balls of light are visible. The lights move out from the shadows and we can see they are the eyes of Gollum. We watch as he crawls around the rocks. He sees somthing down a cliff and starts to climb down. Below him we see two shadowy figures. The camera switches to the two figures and we see they are a sleeping Frodo and Sam. We go back to Gollum as he continues to climb. When he gets close enough he reaches out a bony hand and.......................What do you think? Hm..perhaps I should direct my oun LotR movie. Ya right.

Lhunbelethiel · 08-18-2002, 12:23 PM

THIS JUST IN! From Entertainment Weekly Fall Movie Issue:December 18: The Two Towers"And for those who still aren't able to tell a hobbit from a dwarf, may we suggest a trip to the video store? Because there won't be a reprise montage at the beginning of the Two Towers. 'It's a very TV device to slip a little recap on,' says Jackson. 'We thought: BANG! We'll just jump straight into it."There you go! We still don't know where the BANG! will begin, but it will be great!

03-03-2002, 04:09 PM	#1
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	The Begining of the Two Towers? PLEASE POST! How do you think Pete will start the next movie?<BR>The book starts with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli but do you think Pete will do the same? __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

03-03-2002, 04:21 PM	#2
kalimac Guest Posts: n/a	Ooh, that's a good question. Personally I think he'll start in with Merry and Pippin waking up in the Orc-camp (the "Uruk-Hai" chapter in TTT). No good reason for thinking this except Merry and Pippin are the characters who are most left at a loose end right now, in movie terms - at the end of FOTR we saw Frodo and Sam at the edge of the Emyn Muil and getting ready to try and cross over to Mordor, and Strider et al preparing to pursue the Orcs. OTOH the last we've seen of Merry and Pippin is them being carried off previous to both these events, and it would make sense to start with them, in a sort of "Meanwhile, while Boromir is being sent over the Falls and Frodo and Sam are climbing the Emyn Muil, here's what's happening to the other two."<P>Also in practical terms Merry and Pippin are much better devices for catching up the audience on what's already happened; it's easy to picture them having a disjointed conversation about "Do you think Frodo made it away all right? What happened to Boromir? Do you suppose Strider's trying to catch up with us?" and so on. It's hard to picture the Three Walkers pausing during the chase to engage in helpful dialogue that will fill the audience in on what's happening, but since Merry and Pippin are trying to figure out what's happening to them exactly it would make sense for them to talk it out.<P>OK, that was a little long. I'm sorry - just call it my 5 cents worth.

03-03-2002, 06:36 PM	#3
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	Great theory, Kalimac! I agree with you.<BR>I just can't wait until Dec. 2002! __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

03-04-2002, 01:18 AM	#6
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Welcome to the 'Downs Kalimac (woo hoo, someone else likes the notes on translation, too!) and shire...baggins... (your name is very creepy but very cool nonetheless)! Post often and enjoy yourselves!<P>I agree with Kalimac; starting with Pip and Merry would make the most sense. But my guess is that will really start with a flashback intro, sort of like the one in FotR. More than that, I cannot say. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

07-05-2002, 12:57 PM	#7
Calencoire Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 89	I think they should start with Merry and Pippin because they ended with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, and they might forget about Merry and Pippin. __________________ Where there is life, there is hope

03-03-2002, 10:16 PM	#4
shire....baggins... Guest Posts: n/a	Personally, I think they should start with Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn. Next they should put Merry and Pip, and fade over to Fodo and Sam. With the changes PJ is said to be making, who knows what scenes they won't even show

03-03-2002, 11:03 PM	#5
calenfaniel Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with Kalimac, that's what would make the most sense.

07-06-2002, 11:28 AM	#8
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 3,027	Does anyone think that in the beginning they will show flashbacks of happened at the end of FOTR to refresh the audience's minds? I wouldn't need it, but the people who are not obsessed and aren't on this site just might. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

07-06-2002, 11:32 AM	#9
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	I agree with Brinniel. A lot of people have short-term memories, and would like their memories refreshed. Who else thinks there's going to be some voice that comes on, saying, "When we last left our story, Pippin and Merry had been kidnapped by orcs, Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli searching for them, Frodo and Sam out to find Mt. Doom, and Boromir was falling down a waterfall." __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

07-06-2002, 11:37 AM	#10
Greyhame Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: illinois Posts: 42	I hope not. __________________ Poo-tee-weet?

07-06-2002, 01:25 PM	#11
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 572	I would hate it if they did that! People should be able to remember (if only vaguely) what happened in the movie before! It's just pandering to some people's ignorance... __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

07-06-2002, 03:35 PM	#12
Gorothlammothiel Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sitting in front of my preferred world.... Posts: 256	Humm......PJ may start the way the books do, but as we all well know, the ignorance of others who haven't read the book will lead to them getting bored if they dont see the ring-bearer and Sam in the opening scenes, they might not be able to follow properly so i'm guessing we will see Frodo and Sam earlier than in the book.

07-06-2002, 04:19 PM	#13
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,056	Perhaps it will start with a narration over action as the first one did. Narrated by Cate Blanchett, or another cast member.<BR>There can be brief glimpses of all of the characters with short descriptions of where they were just at the end of the last movie and where they are heading now.<BR>It's starts with a shot of a group of Orcs running over the plains and then a short glipse of Merry and Pippin being tossed to the ground.<BR>Then it flashes over to Frodo and Sam and tells of where they are heading and then you see big green eyes peering at them from behind.<BR>Then it flases over to Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, and the story begins with then searching and Aragorn finding the leaf brooch. Then the words "The Two Towers" appear on the screen.<P>That's a theory. I really have no idea, but I am sure it will be great and I can't wait!!!!!!! __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

07-06-2002, 05:06 PM	#14
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 724	I think they'll start with Galadriel's voice just skimming over the events at Amon Hen, like she sort of did in the first film, and then fading in to Legolas, Aragorn, and Gimli. __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

08-13-2002, 01:54 PM	#15
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	I think they'll do a narration and start with Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn in order to maintain suspense about Merry and Pippin a little longer for the people who haven't read the books. I like the idea of bringing everyone up to speed through a conversation between Merry and Pippin, but I think the narration is a more efficient device and more in keeping with Tolkien's style. __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

08-13-2002, 06:02 PM	#16
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,757	I always thought an interesting lead-in to start the T.T. off would be to show Boromir's body floating down the river, and the scene where his brother Faramir discovers him. You could have a tragic scene with Faramir trying to reach his brother, and questioning his fate, then fade to the Three Walkers following the Orcs.<P>Or Frodo and Sam movin' on. It's all good.

08-13-2002, 06:12 PM	#17
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	I think that they are gonna start with an non-fellowship character like Saruman, Elrond or Galadriel. Most likly in theaters they will have the preview of the FOTR. __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

08-13-2002, 07:17 PM	#18
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	I pretty much agree with what people have said already. I think they should do a flashback, then start on the story with each group at a time. Or, as Kalimac said, start w/ Merry and Pippin talking about the recent events. {a.k.a. flashback}

08-14-2002, 01:10 AM	#19
MYyyPreciousSS Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the Here and Now Posts: 113	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think they should start with Merry and Pippin because they ended with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, and they might forget about Merry and Pippin.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree. <BR>But before I think Galadriel(as narrator) should tell what the fellowship was set out to do, and about the main idea of The Fellowship of the Ring for people who might not have seen it. Then go to Merry and Pip.<BR>Somthing like that.. __________________ Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. And suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her. "My Preciousss" - the line that started the obsession.

08-14-2002, 05:02 AM	#20
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,992	I don't think the audience should find out that Faramir is the brother of Boromir until after Frodo and Sam have been scared by him.<BR>I can't remember who said it but the suggestion that the title 'The Two Towers' should come up after a couple of minutes of explanation was perfect for me. Remember in The Fellowship that the war scenes started off and then the film started proper in Hobbiton.<BR>Likewise, I think the ending of The Fellowship will be relayed at the start and then things will mellow out a bit with the three hunters, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas. There'll be a line like 'I cannot even imagine what Merry and Pippin are going through right now'<BR>.....and then it will cut to Merry and Pippin, and I just can't wait to see their facial expressions! __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-14-2002, 10:47 AM	#21
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 3,027	I don't think anyone would narrate the flashbacks. They would probably be just 5 min of scenes of what last happened to each character in FOTR if there are any flashbacks at all, that is. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

08-17-2002, 02:49 PM	#22
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	PJ says there will be no narriteration.<P>This is how I think the begaining should go:<P><BR>The screen is black. You can hear Gollum's voice muttering. Somthing like: "My precious,they stole it" then the title The Two Towers appears. The words fade and in thier place is a picure of a full moon. The camera moves down until you can see a landscape of rocky hills. You can hear Gollum muttering again. Then out of the shadows two balls of light are visible. The lights move out from the shadows and we can see they are the eyes of Gollum. We watch as he crawls around the rocks. He sees somthing down a cliff and starts to climb down. Below him we see two shadowy figures. The camera switches to the two figures and we see they are a sleeping Frodo and Sam.<BR>We go back to Gollum as he continues to climb. When he gets close enough he reaches out a bony hand and.......................<P>What do you think? Hm..perhaps I should direct my oun LotR movie. Ya right. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

08-18-2002, 12:23 PM	#23
Lhunbelethiel Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Francisco Bay Area (aka Bay of Belfalas) Posts: 103	THIS JUST IN!<BR>From Entertainment Weekly Fall Movie Issue:<P>December 18: The Two Towers<P>"And for those who still aren't able to tell a hobbit from a dwarf, may we suggest a trip to the video store? Because there won't be a reprise montage at the beginning of the Two Towers. 'It's a very TV device to slip a little recap on,' says Jackson. 'We thought: BANG! We'll just jump straight into it."<P>There you go! We still don't know where the BANG! will begin, but it will be great! __________________ ~~All that is gold does not glitter, not all who wander are lost, all that is old does not wither, deep roots are not touched by the frost...~~