Tol-in-Gaurhoth LIV: The Council of Evil- Admin Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gollum the Great · 11-20-2008, 02:51 AM

The Fourth Age of Middle-Earth

All was well with the Reunited Kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor and the Kingdom of Rohan. Sauron, that scourge of the earth was vanquished, various minor uprisings in Rhun and Harad were crushed or pacified, and the Free Peoples suffered from no internal strife. It appeared that a time of peace and joy was to be enjoyed after the last three ages of warfare, swaying power, and hatred. Dwarves, men, hobbits, and wood elves looked into their envisioned future and saw no flaw in the outlook. Life seemed good to them.

Yet it was not so with the remnants of evil. From their hiding places in the underground, in the mountains and in forgotten lands they watched the children of light with hatred and jealousy. The combined might of all the forces of darkness might have rivaled the Free Peoples, but most of Sauron's remaining servants were undisciplined and disorderly and the direct servants of Morgoth unwilling to quit their rest and endure war once more.

It appeared that no final strike was to be made against the good and beautiful.

But the Council of Evil was formed, great beasts and monsters of darkness banded together; and a shadow grew over the earth...

Players:

Aganzir
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eonwe
Gwathagor
Ilya
Isabellkya
Kath
Meneltarmacil
Nogrod
Sally
Shasta
Strongbow

Nerwen · 11-20-2008, 04:22 AM

Uh... Gollum... I don't know how to break this to you... but if you want to mod a WW game, you have to put your name down on the waiting list.

Macalaure · 11-20-2008, 06:21 AM

As far as I can see, Gollum is next in line for modding.

You should have waited til the present game is over, though...

Nerwen · 11-20-2008, 06:28 AM

Well, my mistake. Sorry, Gollum. I just assumed you hadn't been around long enough.

Gollum the Great · 11-20-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

You should have waited til the present game is over, though...

Perhaps you're right, but wanted to get the thread up and not worry about it later. I can wait for the players before I start.

Nogrod · 11-20-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Perhaps you're right, but wanted to get the thread up and not worry about it later. I can wait for the players before I start.

That's indeed quite a decent idea - and not unheard of or not done before... I think you can have a "beginning discussion" and enlistment to your game going on quite well even if the previous game is underway.

But then it would actually have to concern the nature of the game and such things. Posting only a teaser will not get all the people interested. Some people just love experimental games and others love the basic-ones. Giving some information of this might affect who would be interested in joining.

Also some mods are a bit more authoritative while others call for suggestions about what kind of a game the possible players would like to play. This thread could be just the place for you to tell us your stance on these issues and get some discussion going on.

Though it sure would be polite to wait with the starting of the game until the previous game has finished so that people from that game might join yours and maybe have a day or two to just comment and laugh about the incidents of that one before engaging to a new one.

Gollum the Great · 11-20-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

But then it would actually have to concern the nature of the game and such things. Posting only a teaser will not get all the people interested. Some people just love experimental games and others love the basic-ones. Giving some information of this might affect who would be interested in joining.

Also some mods are a bit more authoritative while others call for suggestions about what kind of a game the possible players would like to play. This thread could be just the place for you to tell us your stance on these issues and get some discussion going on.

Being a newbie mod I'm not exactly sure what is meant by basic and experimental, but I think this game will lean toward being ordinary with couple of twists. Votes will probably be non-retractable and ties for lynching will result in the first chosen to be killed.

I welcome suggestions but doubt if I will use many.

Thanks for the advice Nogrod.

Aganzir · 11-22-2008, 06:19 AM

I think the main difference with basic and experimental games is, which roles there are; basic games are games with a team of three or four wolves (depending on the number of players) and a seer, maybe a ranger and a hunter as gifted roles as well, whereas experimental games might have pretty much anything (eg. Di's game was rather experimental). I recommend skimming through some old games and admin threads - they might give you both help and ideas.

I'd prefer a very basic game myself but I'm alright also with a bit more experimental game. However, if you are going to include some twists of your own, I'd really prefer them to be public information because if there's something I can't stand, it's rule discussion in the game.

Anyway do you have any idea what would be the deadline?

Oh and you can sign me up. I won't have much time to play next spring so I want to do it now as much as I can.

Gollum the Great · 11-22-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'd prefer a very basic game myself but I'm alright also with a bit more experimental game. However, if you are going to include some twists of your own, I'd really prefer them to be public information because if there's something I can't stand, it's rule discussion in the game.

Anyway do you have any idea what would be the deadline?

I think the deadline will be about 5 PM EST. The twists I am still thinking about, and I'm not sure yet as to what I will do, but when I've decided I will let them out (unless they are intended to be kept secret).

I imagine I will start the Monday following Fea's game, but a change could readily be made if a player(s) require another time.

Strongbow · 12-07-2008, 05:34 PM

As you already know, Gollum, I'm eager for Tol-in-Gaurhoth.

Consider this an official notice of signing up.

Gollum the Great · 12-07-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongbow

I'm eager for Tol-in-Gaurhoth.

The right spirit.

Kath · 12-08-2008, 11:17 AM

If you intend to start on the ... is it the 19th? If so you might find that you need to have a break over Christmas because people will obviously be very busy/away etc.

Aganzir · 12-08-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

If you intend to start on the ... is it the 19th? If so you might find that you need to have a break over Christmas because people will obviously be very busy/away etc.

In the game that was running last Christmas, we had a 48-hour first day and night during the Christmas period, I think, and switched back to 24 hours then. That might work also here.

Strongbow · 12-11-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I imagine I will start the Monday following Fea's game, but a change could readily be made if a player(s) require another time.

So will we be starting this Monday, December 15th, or has this been redacted/revised?

Gollum the Great · 12-12-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongbow

So will we be starting this Monday, December 15th, or has this been redacted/revised?

It depends on when enough players have signed up. At present we have too few players to begin, I hope more arrive shortly.

Aganzir · 12-12-2008, 04:53 AM

So who have actually signed up? Just Strongbow and me?

If players don't start to appear soon you could send a few invitations.

Also, what about the roles and such?

Nerwen · 12-12-2008, 08:08 AM

Count me in.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-12-2008, 09:39 AM

I'll play as well.

Gollum the Great · 12-12-2008, 01:52 PM

Welcome Nerwen and Shasta (we'll need your powers of clairvoyance to see us through this time!)

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Also, what about the roles and such?

Ok, this should be something like what will happen:

x ordos
1 Seer
1 Guardian or Hunter
2 Werewolves
1 Modified Werebear

You ought to get the general idea of what roles there are (especially the wolves and bear) from the opening scene once you read it.

And one other thing. I thought out what various races the players will assume, but do you fellows think I should assign them in the prologue, or post them here and have you choose? I suppose that in the case of the former alternative you could PM requests. The nature of the species will probably have a bearing on the story.

Strongbow · 12-12-2008, 03:28 PM

Post the roles up, and let us PM you choices, methinks.

Just a newbie's $.02.

Gwathagor · 12-12-2008, 04:07 PM

I will play.

Isabellkya · 12-12-2008, 06:28 PM

I would like to play, please.

Ilya · 12-12-2008, 10:46 PM

I'd like to be in as well.

Nogrod · 12-13-2008, 04:45 AM

Count me in as well.

nb. Gollum you should make a list of players in thus far and possibly edit that list into your first post or something so that it's easy to check the situation - and then keep on upgrading it as the number of players grows.

If I counted it right we have now 8 players. So Monday might be a wee bit optimistic starting date...

Gollum the Great · 12-13-2008, 05:09 PM

I thought of the list just a few hours ago but didn't get to it. It'll be up on the first post shortly...

And about the starting date. What would work best for you guys? I see that Monday looks a bit early, but would a week from then be ok?

Also, welcome Nog, Gwath, Ilya, Isabellkya.

Meneltarmacil · 12-13-2008, 07:09 PM

Well, I've been away for so long that it's about time I joined up. Count me in.

Nogrod · 12-13-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Well, I've been away for so long that it's about time I joined up. Count me in.

Good to see you Menel! It's been a long time indeed!

I'll promise not to suggest lynching you on Day1 this time - and I will even speak on behalf of you if someone gets that unheard-of bad idea...

Brinniel · 12-13-2008, 10:31 PM

If you don't plan to start the game until the 22nd, I might consider joining. An extra week will give me a breather from the last game (as well as from RL stress), which has left me exhausted. And I definitely wouldn't join a game before the 19th, as I promised myself not to be part of another WW game until I've returned home for the holidays..

Though a question I don't think has been answered yet: Will this game be running during Christmas, or will there be a break?

Anyways, you can put me down with a question mark for now. It's a probably, but I'm not sure just yet.

Eönwë · 12-14-2008, 07:31 AM

Put me down- definately.

Gollum the Great · 12-14-2008, 01:29 PM

Glad to see you Brinn (?), Eonwe, and Meneltarmacil. I especially look forward to watching you, Menel, as I haven't yet had the pleasure of playing (or modding) with you, but I recollect something of your style from reading The Fellowship of Saruman and being fascinated.

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

If you don't plan to start the game until the 22nd, I might consider joining. An extra week will give me a breather from the last game (as well as from RL stress), which has left me exhausted. And I definitely wouldn't join a game before the 19th, as I promised myself not to be part of another WW game until I've returned home for the holidays..

Though a question I don't think has been answered yet: Will this game be running during Christmas, or will there be a break?

Anyways, you can put me down with a question mark for now. It's a probably, but I'm not sure just yet.

At this point it seems improbable that the game will begin any sooner that Dec. 22. Only if several players start clamoring to begin quickly could the date be pulled forward.

As for a Christmas break, I vote that we pause for 24 or even 48 hours, but this point should I think be left to all participating to decide on.

Aganzir · 12-14-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

As for a Christmas break, I vote that we pause for 24 or even 48 hours, but this point should I think be left to all participating to decide on.

The thing is, Christmas is celebrated on different days in different places. We in Finland have it mainly on the 24th while most of you others celebrate it on the 25th. Therefore I think it would be best to have a 48-hour-day and/or night around Christmas: everyone could pop in every now and then to play when it best suits them.

Do you have any specific number of players you'd like to have before starting?

Strongbow · 12-14-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Therefore I think it would be best to have a 48-hour-day and/or night around Christmas: everyone could pop in every now and then to play when it best suits them.

I agree with this. I am also fine with the starting date being the 22nd.

Nogrod · 12-14-2008, 04:17 PM

I do agree both with the Christmas going for 48 hours Day & Night and starting on 22nd - or possibly 21st if it's the Night phase that starts the game...

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Do you have any specific number of players you'd like to have before starting?

I think we have played one game with something like 11 players but that was a bit too little - although it was quite an amusing game so long as it lasted. 14-16 has been the standard number for a long time and with that sized village you can make three wolves and a full house of goodie-specials (three) and still it makes almost 2/3 of the players normal innocents. That has been quite a good working ratio thus far to my knowledge.

Gollum the Great · 12-14-2008, 04:40 PM

I think I need approximately 15 players. 14 or even as high as 17 would work.

Now that I think of it, I don't believe I ever found a definition of a Werebear. I understand that his main purpose is survival, but are any other chief characteristics?

Gollum the Great · 12-17-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

And one other thing. I thought out what various races the players will assume, but do you fellows think I should assign them in the prologue, or post them here and have you choose? I suppose that in the case of the former alternative you could PM requests. The nature of the species will probably have a bearing on the story.

This question needs to be answered. So far I have a grand total of 1 replies and the 10 other present players have not (yet) spoken. Please do so soon.

Meneltarmacil · 12-17-2008, 06:22 AM

I think posting them in the thread and letting us decide would be a good idea.

Boromir88 · 12-17-2008, 08:24 AM

I want another go, just as long as you grant me the opportunity to take out Menel on Day 1.

Oh, hi Menel, long time no see.

Meneltarmacil · 12-17-2008, 03:25 PM

It's nice to be back. And yes, I remember the Werewolf Wars with Boromir88 quite well. I'm looking forward to the game.

*sharpens sword*

Aganzir · 12-18-2008, 06:59 AM

I agree that posting them here sounds good.

Kath · 12-18-2008, 09:58 AM

I would like to play if there's still room? I need an excuse to escape various family members.

11-20-2008, 02:51 AM	#1
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 403	Tol-in-Gaurhoth LIV: The Council of Evil- Admin Thread The Fourth Age of Middle-Earth All was well with the Reunited Kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor and the Kingdom of Rohan. Sauron, that scourge of the earth was vanquished, various minor uprisings in Rhun and Harad were crushed or pacified, and the Free Peoples suffered from no internal strife. It appeared that a time of peace and joy was to be enjoyed after the last three ages of warfare, swaying power, and hatred. Dwarves, men, hobbits, and wood elves looked into their envisioned future and saw no flaw in the outlook. Life seemed good to them. Yet it was not so with the remnants of evil. From their hiding places in the underground, in the mountains and in forgotten lands they watched the children of light with hatred and jealousy. The combined might of all the forces of darkness might have rivaled the Free Peoples, but most of Sauron's remaining servants were undisciplined and disorderly and the direct servants of Morgoth unwilling to quit their rest and endure war once more. It appeared that no final strike was to be made against the good and beautiful. But the Council of Evil was formed, great beasts and monsters of darkness banded together; and a shadow grew over the earth... Players: Aganzir Boromir88 Brinniel Eonwe Gwathagor Ilya Isabellkya Kath Meneltarmacil Nogrod Sally Shasta Strongbow __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse Last edited by Gollum the Great; 12-21-2008 at 11:05 PM.

11-20-2008, 04:22 AM	#2
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,701	Uh... Gollum... I don't know how to break this to you... but if you want to mod a WW game, you have to put your name down on the waiting list. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 11-20-2008 at 06:28 AM.

11-20-2008, 06:28 AM	#4
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,701	Well, my mistake. Sorry, Gollum. I just assumed you hadn't been around long enough. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

11-22-2008, 06:19 AM	#8
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	I think the main difference with basic and experimental games is, which roles there are; basic games are games with a team of three or four wolves (depending on the number of players) and a seer, maybe a ranger and a hunter as gifted roles as well, whereas experimental games might have pretty much anything (eg. Di's game was rather experimental). I recommend skimming through some old games and admin threads - they might give you both help and ideas. I'd prefer a very basic game myself but I'm alright also with a bit more experimental game. However, if you are going to include some twists of your own, I'd really prefer them to be public information because if there's something I can't stand, it's rule discussion in the game. Anyway do you have any idea what would be the deadline? Oh and you can sign me up. I won't have much time to play next spring so I want to do it now as much as I can. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

12-07-2008, 05:34 PM	#10
Strongbow Wight Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South of the Capital Wasteland Posts: 119	As you already know, Gollum, I'm eager for Tol-in-Gaurhoth. Consider this an official notice of signing up. __________________ Is é gáire ár gcuid páistí a bheas mar dhíoltas againn. - Roibeard Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh

11-20-2008, 06:21 AM	#3
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,947	As far as I can see, Gollum is next in line for modding. You should have waited til the present game is over, though...

12-08-2008, 11:17 AM	#12
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,725	If you intend to start on the ... is it the 19th? If so you might find that you need to have a break over Christmas because people will obviously be very busy/away etc. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

12-12-2008, 04:53 AM	#16
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	So who have actually signed up? Just Strongbow and me? If players don't start to appear soon you could send a few invitations. Also, what about the roles and such? __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

12-12-2008, 08:08 AM	#17
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,701	Count me in. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

12-12-2008, 09:39 AM	#18
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I'll play as well. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-12-2008, 03:28 PM	#20
Strongbow Wight Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South of the Capital Wasteland Posts: 119	Post the roles up, and let us PM you choices, methinks. Just a newbie's $.02. __________________ Is é gáire ár gcuid páistí a bheas mar dhíoltas againn. - Roibeard Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh

12-12-2008, 04:07 PM	#21
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,613	I will play. __________________ Stories and songs.

12-12-2008, 06:28 PM	#22
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	I would like to play, please. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

12-12-2008, 10:46 PM	#23
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	I'd like to be in as well. __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

12-13-2008, 04:45 AM	#24
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,330	Count me in as well. nb. Gollum you should make a list of players in thus far and possibly edit that list into your first post or something so that it's easy to check the situation - and then keep on upgrading it as the number of players grows. If I counted it right we have now 8 players. So Monday might be a wee bit optimistic starting date... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-13-2008, 05:09 PM	#25
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 403	I thought of the list just a few hours ago but didn't get to it. It'll be up on the first post shortly... And about the starting date. What would work best for you guys? I see that Monday looks a bit early, but would a week from then be ok? Also, welcome Nog, Gwath, Ilya, Isabellkya. __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

12-13-2008, 07:09 PM	#26
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,287	Well, I've been away for so long that it's about time I joined up. Count me in. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-13-2008, 10:31 PM	#28
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 3,027	If you don't plan to start the game until the 22nd, I might consider joining. An extra week will give me a breather from the last game (as well as from RL stress), which has left me exhausted. And I definitely wouldn't join a game before the 19th, as I promised myself not to be part of another WW game until I've returned home for the holidays.. Though a question I don't think has been answered yet: Will this game be running during Christmas, or will there be a break? Anyways, you can put me down with a question mark for now. It's a probably, but I'm not sure just yet. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

12-14-2008, 07:31 AM	#29
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,995	Put me down- definately. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

12-14-2008, 04:40 PM	#34
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 403	I think I need approximately 15 players. 14 or even as high as 17 would work. Now that I think of it, I don't believe I ever found a definition of a Werebear. I understand that his main purpose is survival, but are any other chief characteristics? __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

12-17-2008, 06:22 AM	#36
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,287	I think posting them in the thread and letting us decide would be a good idea. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-17-2008, 08:24 AM	#37
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,559	I want another go, just as long as you grant me the opportunity to take out Menel on Day 1. Oh, hi Menel, long time no see. __________________ Fenris Penguin

12-17-2008, 03:25 PM	#38
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,287	It's nice to be back. And yes, I remember the Werewolf Wars with Boromir88 quite well. I'm looking forward to the game. sharpens sword __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-18-2008, 06:59 AM	#39
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	I agree that posting them here sounds good. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

12-18-2008, 09:58 AM	#40
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,725	I would like to play if there's still room? I need an excuse to escape various family members. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”