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Old 11-22-2011, 02:43 PM   #1
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Save the Hungry Hobbit

Not really sure where this should go, I suppose it ties indirectly to the films, but still, how can anyone legally object to the use of a word now in dictionaries?

What would Bilbo say? Hungry Hobbit told to change its name
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:53 PM   #2
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That article is misleading. We all know Christopher is really behind it.

I daresay CT's motives for defending copyrights are rather more well-intentioned, at least, than the movie co. in this case.
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:18 PM   #3
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A Hobbit is a creature from English Folklore, around long before JRRT was born - as mentioned in the Denham Tracts, collected in the mid 19th Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denham_Tracts

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For the Estate/Tolkien Enterprises to try & claim it as their own by issuing threats to innocent traders is sadly typical of the shady behaviour of a lot of big companies at the moment. Folklore, by its nature, is public domain. What are they going to claim to own next - 'Elves', 'Dwarves', 'Holes'. This is like Disney claiming to own Snow White or Cinderella.
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The article makes mention of the Estate, but it also leads one to believe the Saul Zaentz Company is the driving force. The letter makes a point of saying the use of "Hobbit" implies the business is "licensed, authorised, sponsored, or endorsed by SCZ or somehow affiliated with SCZ".
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A Hobbit is a creature from English Folklore, around long before JRRT was born - as mentioned in the Denham Tracts, collected in the mid 19th Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denham_Tracts
Someone should reallly tell them that.
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Old 11-23-2011, 03:18 PM   #6
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The word "hobbit"

The word "hobbit" can also refer to an archaic unit of measure for grains etc, similar to a bushel.

And the word "Hobbit" is a surname, derived from the name Hubert.


"Hobbits" fought in the American Civil War.

(Somebody should make a movie about that.)
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