Game Thread: Werewolf- this time it's real!

[Isabellkya]

How do you know that all bonus votes thus far have counted?

[Lariren Shadow]

Oh, ok then.

I was just wondering if the dream of the seer on the Night that he was killed would have been able to be passed on. Make sense?

I had no idea that Greenie was a wolf. That is something new...and I kept thinking she was innocent.

And Shasta explained it too.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

How do you know that all bonus votes thus far have counted?

Well, I'm pretty sure they have due to the vote counts listed right before each execution. I could go back and make absolutely sure, though.

[Isabellkya]

The vote counts were done by us players.
We could probably scratch a few names off the probably Pippin list.
But I think that is about it.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Since it's not Greenie, I think it's a pretty fair assumption that either Gwath or I is Pippin and thus our bonus votes are useless.

I wish this had occurred to me before - I think I'll use at least one bonus vote toDay and we'll see whether I'm Pippin or not.

[Isabellkya]

Haha.
Wouldn't that be nice.

"My bonus votes are probably most likely useless, so it doesn't matter that I'm dumping ten votes on this innocent here."
*innocent lynched due to bonus vote usage*
"Oh well, whups. Didn't know, sorry."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Why am I still awake?!

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Psst, you were in Sally's game Nilp.

I didn't count that as a win, sadly, cos a) I wasn't really playing; and b) I died when all I had to do was survive.

[Gwathagor]

• Fea (6) - Apparently innocent
• Green (10) - Apparently guilty
• Gwath (10) - Possibly Pippin?
• Izzy (4) - ?
• Kent (0) - Apparently innocent
• Lari (5) - ?
• Nilp (3) - ?
• Shasta (10) - Possibly Pippin?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Green is evil, huh? Hmm, this changes a lot of plans, I think.

EVIL
Green

UNKNOWN
Gwath
Izzy
Lari
Nilp
Shasta

GOOD
Fea
Kent

DAY 5: Green is lynched. 5-2
NIGHT 6: Fea is killed. 4-2
DAY 6: We stumble around, having a 60% chance of lynching an innocent, therefore losing the game.

No offence Formendeadcil, but this was not a good time to get a Wolf. (In terms of strategy, that is.)

Would it be possible for the five unknowns to analyse at least two of your unknown comrades? Get some analytical thinking done?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

How do you know either you or Shasta are possibly the Pippin, huh, Gwath? You haven't even used your bonus votes yet.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear . . .

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

How do you know either you or Shasta are possibly the Pippin, huh, Gwath? You haven't even used your bonus votes yet.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear . . .

Shasta pointed out that only three people could possibly be Pippin: he, myself, and Green, because everyone else has used some of their bonus votes and wed know if they...no, darn, that's not true. Maybe Pippin already used some bonus votes, but got outvoted, so we wouldn't whether his/her bonus votes worked or not. Dang never mind.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Day 1:

Nilp - Sally (Sally1)
Kuru - Agan (Sally1, Agan1)
Fea - Agan (Sally1, Agan2)
Nienna - Nog (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1)
Agan - Kuru(1) (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru2)
Kent - Kuru (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru3)
Firefoot Kuru (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru4)
Form - Nilp (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru4, Nilp1)
Nog - Nienna, Kuru (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna1)
Gwath - Nienna (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna2)
Sally - Nienna (sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna3)
Izzy - Nienna (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna4)
Brinn - Nienna (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna5)

Nienna lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - Nothing.

Day 2:

Greenie - Nog (Nog1)
Fea - Nog(4) (Nog6)
Shasta - Form (Nog6, Form1)
Form - Greenie (Nog6, Form1, Greenie1)
Lari - Kent (Nog6, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1)
Firefoot - Nog (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1)
Kent - Kuru(5) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1, Kuru6)
Izzy - Sally(2) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1, Kuru6, Sally3)
Kuru - Kent(4) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru6, Sally3)
Nilp - Kuru(4) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru11, Sally3)
Brinn - Sally (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru11, Sally4)
Nog - Sally(4) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru11, Sally9)

Kuru lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - It's not Nilp (bonus voted for Kuru) and it's not Kent (bonus voted for Kuru).

Day 3:

Kent - Brinn(1) (Brinn2)
Sally - Kent (Brinn2, Kent1)
Greenie - Nog (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog1)
Fea - Nog (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog2)
Shasta - Gwath (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog2, Gwath1)
Gwath - Sally (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog2, Gwath1, Sally1)
Form - Brinn(3) (Brinn6, Kent1, Nog2, Gwath1, Sally1)
Lari - Nog(3) (Brinn6, Kent1, Nog6, Gwath1, Sally1)
Kuru - Brinn(6) (Brinn13, Kent1, Nog6, Gwath1, Sally1)
Izzy - Sally (Brinn13, Kent1, Nog6, Gwath1, Sally2)
Brinn - Nog(10) (Brinn13, Kent1, Nog17, Gwath1, Sally2)

Nog lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - Nothing.

Day 4:

Nilp - Sally(4) (Sally5)
Greenie - Sally (Sally6)
Kent - Nilp(2) (Sally6, Nilp3)
Lari - Kent(2) (Sally6, Nilp3, Kent3)
Sally - Kent (Sally6, Nilp3, Kent4)
Fea - Sally (Sally7, Nilp3, Kent3)
Form - Nilp(2) (Sally7, Nilp6, Kent4)
Sally - --Kent, Nilp(4) (Sally7, Nilp11, Kent3)
Kent - +2Nilp (Sally7, Nilp13, Kent3)
Shasta - Gwath (Sally7, Nilp13, Kent3, Gwath1)
Gwath - Sally (Sally8, Nilp13, Kent3, Gwath1)
Izzy - Sally(4) (Sally13, Nilp13, Kent3, Gwath1)

Sally lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - It's not Izzy (bonus voted for Sally).

Alive players:

Kent
Lari
Shasta
Gwath
Izzy
Nilp
Greenie
Fea

Cannot be Pippin:

Kent
Izzy
Nilp
Greenie

Leaving:

Lari
Shasta
Gwath
Fea

as possible Pippins. Keep in mind that Finrod is still with us as well; if he's any one of the latter four, that narrows it down.

I hope that helps.

Edit: Forgot to clarify. In the vote counts above, alive players' votes are bolded.

[Gwathagor]

Very much, thanks.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Cos self-quoting is fun.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

DAY 5: Green is lynched. 5-2
NIGHT 6: Fea is killed. 4-2
DAY 6: We stumble around, having a 60% chance of lynching an innocent, therefore losing the game.

No offence Formendeadcil, but this was not a good time to get a Wolf. (In terms of strategy, that is.)

Scratch that, we still have Finrod then. which means it's just a 50% chance of losing the game . . .

Not that much, but it helps . . .

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That's not taking bonus votes into account, though. >.<

I do hope Green's not Thuringwethil, and that the Three don't have vote majority yet.

I suggest everyone use their bonus votes on Green toDAY. Anyone who refuses to do so will be . . . consequenced. Rather terribly.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

If not in the game, then after it. Haha!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I've got to go for a while, so I'm going to do this right now:

++Greenie

I will be back later. I'm holding my bonus votes for now because I want to see if any of her teammates will try and save her; if they do, then it may be pointless for me to use my bonus votes because they may end up having more anyway. Especially if Greenie is Thuringwethil.

Gwath, I humbly suggest you do the same (if you're innocent. If not, feel free to sacrifice yourself, I'm totally cool with that. )

[A Little Green]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Big bad wolf is coming to eat you! Woohooooo!

++ Fea (10)

Revenge! MWA-HA-HA-HAAA!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Real mature.

[Gwathagor]

++Greenie

Everyone else had better pitch in. I'll add bonus votes later to make sure she gets lynched.

[A Little Green]

I love being sentenced to death. Should do that more often.

I'm a wolf,
I'm a wolf,
I'm a little greenish wolf!
I'm a greeny wolf,
a greeny wolf,
a teeny weeny greeny wolf!

*humming*

Did you know that in addition to grey wolves and white wolves and whatever-colour-they-are-wolves there is a little subspecies of green wolves. But they are just a little green. Like me! Look, big cute puppy eyes! You won't lynch me if I bat my eyelashes will you?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Fea

Real mature.

Real mature, it's a wolf's nature.

[A Little Green]

WHEEEEEEEEEEE FLOOOOOOOOD-POSTIIIIING!!!

Hakuna matata
what a wonderful phrase
It's a problem-free philosophy!

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! Come on, kill me, you nasssty basssstards. Kill me! Wheeee! I hear roasted wolf can be pretty delicious. I've always wanted to be eaten. (Take that as a tip, Phantom. )

[Kent2010]

Isabellyka, my act today was that...showmanship, I had to find out about Nilp somehow, for good or ill, and that's what my stunt did.

++Greenie

I suggest everyone use their bonus votes today, except for Fea, she should keep hers and shouldn't have to worry about losing them as Thuringwethil attacked last night and can't attack for another two more days.

[Kent2010]

P.S. so instead of attacking my methods, every one knows I am innocent and therefor should not doubt my good intentions - maybe they are unconventional, but they are good none the less. How about you focus on - well finding Greenie's partners?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

1. You say you're sure about Nilp now, but what if you're wrong? Let me find a quote from you earlier...

Originally Posted by Kent

Greenie is innocent. Of that I'm sure.

That's probably not your exact words, but your meaning was clear. Anyway, you were wrong about her. Who's to say you haven't misread Nilp as well?

2. No one is attacking your methods, you paranoid person. Professing to be irritated somewhat by them is entirely different from 'attacking'.

3. WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP SPELLING IZZY'S NAME WRONG. It's been giving me fits all game long!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Let me find a quote from you earlier...

That's probably not your exact words, but your meaning was clear. Anyway, you were wrong about her. Who's to say you haven't misread Nilp as well?

Oh, that has nothing to do with the validity of Kent's evaluations. It's just that I'm charming enough to cloud his vision. This way:

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

I suggest everyone use their bonus votes today, except for Fea, she should keep hers and shouldn't have to worry about losing them as Thuringwethil attacked last night and can't attack for another two more days.

That's a good idea, IF everyone will agree to do it.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Oh, that has nothing to do with the validity of Kent's evaluations. It's just that I'm charming enough to cloud his vision. This way:

Yeah smoking's so hot.

[Isabellkya]

A few comments.

Would the Vampire use their five extra bonus votes on Miss Fea, to help guarantee she gets lynched?


Also take into account that whatever wolf kills tonight could have a 1/3 chance of turning whomever they choose. Unless they've used it already.


I'm in agreement with Shasta on this one. You said there was no debate in Greenie's innocence, and now you seem positive Nilp is as well.

Did you miss the part where Nilp wanted Finrod to out themselves?

Nilp, why are you certain Fea would be killed during the Night?

[Isabellkya]

As a show of cuddly Werewolf love.
Gwath and Shasta could each donate five bonus votes to the Lynch Greenie Campaign.

It is for a good cause.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I am hording, I am sure you understand why, my extra votes.

The problem with your suggestion, Izzy, is that Gwath thinks he might be Pippin. So even if both of them donate toward Greenie, who is obviously going to force us to use our votes to save me and kill her, we'll still need an extra five votes at least, just to make sure she actually dies.

[Isabellkya]

Well yeah.
But both of them can't be Pippin and both of them could be evil.

At minimum we need 11 votes, at max we need 16.

If they both donate, and one is Pippin and one is a baddie. Then that is at least five bonus votes, and max ten (if neither are Pippin).

Greenie is already at three, so we need eight or fourteen votes from everyone.

It would be too easy for both of them to not show back up, and to not use their bonus votes.

It would be silly for us to let Greenie live toDay.
Of course, those who choose not to use their bonus votes, are pretty much giving a signal that they don't have the village's best interest in mind.

[Kent2010]

And I was correct about Nogrod, Sally, Brinn (to a point - never thought she was Grima) and Formendacil, but horribly wrong about Kuru. What's the point? Nilp's reaction to my fake transmission is not something I would expect from a baddie, because that's something that you really can't argue. From Nilp's reaction I think it's pretty clear he's is innocent and frustrated because of how aggressively I went after him today, even faking a Luthien transmission.

Heaven forbid I'm actually trying to figure people out in my own way, but you could sue me for not being helpful if it benefits you. It's been very sluggish posting wise in this game, and I felt like stirring the pot, forgive me for causing action and forcing reactions from people. I don't have the time, nor the experience or knowledge to analyze posts and everyone's votes, I'm going by a method that I trust has been moderately successful, despite a few epic failures.

Oh, that has nothing to do with the validity of Kent's evaluations. It's just that I'm charming enough to cloud his vision. This way:
-Greenie

I can't say Nogrod didn't warn me.

[Kent2010]

Izzy if you want to prove to me you are innocent, dump all your remaining bonus on Greenie today.

[Kent2010]

Gwath and if you think you are Pippin you should have no qualms about using all your bonus today either, same goes for Shasta.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I submit that those voting for Greenie should vote, retract, and vote again. Like... now.

That way Green is solidly ahead of me for votes.

I will hold onto my bonus votes (the logic of this should be clear: I am a dreamed innocent who just handed the village a wolf by way of Luthiendacil trusting me enough to send me his last dream; if I was a baddie, I'd have kept information to myself; it's not like I'd need to lie) in the event that somebody else tries any funny business. It's no problem for me to stay up until deadline: I'm at work until then anyway. As is Lari.

The only question is, who do we force/enlist to vote Greenie?

[Kent2010]

The only question is, who do we force/enlist to vote Greenie?
-Fea

I say everyone except you. If there was a way we could figure out who Pippin is that would be a bonus, but at this stage it is not necessary.

We get the known wolf today, and there are several days (despite the limited information) of Greenie's interactions and people's interactions with her. We wouldn't find out anything about the votes today, but there's other stuff to go on, and I think the immediate issue is making sure Greenie is lynched today and making sure every one uses their remaining bonus.

I think it would be rather useless for the two unknown baddies to try something tricky, they would expose themselves and that would significantly increase Finrod's chances of a successful protection. And with Thuringwethil unable to kill for another two days would they really want to risk that exposure, and risk letting this slip out of their fingers when they have absolutely dominated so far?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Izzy , I am almost certainly sure Fea will be killed toDAY cos Kent has no more bonus votes, hence, less leverage.

Of course, I am being rather simplistic with this assumption, on so many levels. I'll leave it to y'all to figure out which.

Hm, so the Wolfies don't command a majority yet? Or are they toying with us until before the deadline?

[Kent2010]

Hm, so the Wolfies don't command a majority yet? Or are they toying with us until before the deadline?
-Nilp

That's something interesting I didn't think of. If Shasta and Gwath were both wolves, they could have ended this already (especially with the votes taken from Formendacil). One of them could still be a baddie, but now I feel assured both can not be unless they are both just toying with us until the deadline.

Also, Fea, I would suggest if anyone still wants to horde their bonus (besides you of course), we could always retract our votes for Greenie and vote for that person, because I don't think we have to fear Greenie coming back, she's never been at the deadline before. At this point, I can't see why any innocent would want to horde their bonus, and that is why I advocate everyone get rid of them. Which means yes, vote, retract, and vote again, that is something we will have to try and enforce.