After Curumo fell,did he become a Maia of Melkor just like Sauron? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Noxomanus · 03-22-2003, 12:53 PM

I tend to think so,but Im not sure as he definately wasnt corrupted by Melkor but rather by his own lust for power and order and his jealousy of both Olorin and Sauron.What do you think?Can he be seen as a Maia corrupted by Morgoth?

Salocin · 03-22-2003, 01:34 PM

Yes, because all corruption originated from Melkor. The West regected his Spirit and the only other place for it to go is the Void.

Noxomanus · 03-22-2003, 02:11 PM

But he never paid hommage to Melkor himself,and in fact he desired power for his own,i think you can put him in league with Ungoliant as an evil Ainu operating independent from Melkor.

Salocin · 03-22-2003, 02:16 PM

All evil stems from the one great fall. It often seems like were acting in our own interests but, if we act against God/Eru/Illuvaltar we are really acting for Melkor. There are only two sides and you have to be on one, you can't just be on your own side.

Anyways Saruman hailed to Sauron and Sauron to Melkor so he did pay homige to Melkor.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 03-23-2003, 08:39 AM

Saruman thought he was operating by himself. Truth is, he was a only a small part in the greater evil, and it all stems from the one evil.

gilraën · 03-23-2003, 09:47 AM

From my limited understanding of these matters, doesn't all evil come from Melkor's discordant etc music whereas good comes from Iluvatar's harmonious music? This being the case, then all evil comes directly from Melkor, and all good from Iluvatar? Or have I over simplified it?

tangerine · 03-23-2003, 01:25 PM

I kinda doubt that Curumo fell under Melkor's sway while he still had any power; the Valar probably would not have sent him as a representative of the West if so. Curumo was just arrogant, and wanted to be the bigshot in the group. Gandalf annoyed him because he took the spotlight off of him now and then (The story of Olorin being chosen in UT, Gandalf being given the Elven-ring). Curumo just let his own hubris nail him to the wall, that's all.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-23-2003, 02:10 PM

A lot of the marring of Arda was due to melkor's diisemation of his power into the fabric of Arda. Though his pyhsical body was destroyed by Namo, his spirit lived on in the void. Could Saruman's fea have fled to the void and become one of his underlings? Possibly.

Salocin · 03-23-2003, 03:12 PM

Where else could it have gone? There it will wait till the end of the world when it will try to return to Arda along with the rest of Melkor's defiled hosts and finally be utterly destroyed.

03-22-2003, 12:53 PM	#1
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	After Curumo fell,did he become a Maia of Melkor just like Sauron? I tend to think so,but Im not sure as he definately wasnt corrupted by Melkor but rather by his own lust for power and order and his jealousy of both Olorin and Sauron.What do you think?Can he be seen as a Maia corrupted by Morgoth? __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

03-22-2003, 01:34 PM	#2
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	Yes, because all corruption originated from Melkor. The West regected his Spirit and the only other place for it to go is the Void. __________________ Christ is Risen!

03-22-2003, 02:11 PM	#3
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	But he never paid hommage to Melkor himself,and in fact he desired power for his own,i think you can put him in league with Ungoliant as an evil Ainu operating independent from Melkor. __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

03-22-2003, 02:16 PM	#4
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	All evil stems from the one great fall. It often seems like were acting in our own interests but, if we act against God/Eru/Illuvaltar we are really acting for Melkor. There are only two sides and you have to be on one, you can't just be on your own side. Anyways Saruman hailed to Sauron and Sauron to Melkor so he did pay homige to Melkor. __________________ Christ is Risen!

03-23-2003, 08:39 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Saruman thought he was operating by himself. Truth is, he was a only a small part in the greater evil, and it all stems from the one evil. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

03-23-2003, 09:47 AM	#6
gilraën Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 804	From my limited understanding of these matters, doesn't all evil come from Melkor's discordant etc music whereas good comes from Iluvatar's harmonious music? This being the case, then all evil comes directly from Melkor, and all good from Iluvatar? Or have I over simplified it? __________________ "Onen i-Estel Edain, u-chebin estel anim"

03-23-2003, 01:25 PM	#7
tangerine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 100	I kinda doubt that Curumo fell under Melkor's sway while he still had any power; the Valar probably would not have sent him as a representative of the West if so. Curumo was just arrogant, and wanted to be the bigshot in the group. Gandalf annoyed him because he took the spotlight off of him now and then (The story of Olorin being chosen in UT, Gandalf being given the Elven-ring). Curumo just let his own hubris nail him to the wall, that's all.

03-23-2003, 02:10 PM	#8
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	A lot of the marring of Arda was due to melkor's diisemation of his power into the fabric of Arda. Though his pyhsical body was destroyed by Namo, his spirit lived on in the void. Could Saruman's fea have fled to the void and become one of his underlings? Possibly. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-23-2003, 03:12 PM	#9
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	Where else could it have gone? There it will wait till the end of the world when it will try to return to Arda along with the rest of Melkor's defiled hosts and finally be utterly destroyed. __________________ Christ is Risen!