Why was Merry at the last battle? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

thewichtking · 01-10-2009, 07:07 PM

ok in the rotk movie why is Merry at the last battle? i mean he was at the house of healers because he had stabbed the witch king so he got that black death stuff or what you-may-call it ooh and i don't remember Aragorn killing the mouth of sauron whats with that?

thewichtking · 01-10-2009, 07:55 PM

please post i want answers

Inziladun · 01-10-2009, 08:02 PM

Personally, I've only viewed the movies once (one time too many), and that several years ago, so I really can't help you.
This thread does, however, seemingly belong in the forum curiously titled "The Movies".

the phantom · 01-10-2009, 10:32 PM

Ha ha ha!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-11-2009, 05:57 AM

The answer is: hobbits and villain-decapitation are cool.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-11-2009, 07:18 AM

This is a movie topic, so I'm moving the thread to the appropriate forum. Please continue reading and discussing there - thanks!

thewichtking · 01-11-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

This is a movie topic, so I'm moving the thread to the appropriate forum. Please continue reading and discussing there - thanks!

thank you

Vaine · 01-11-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by thewichtking

ok in the rotk movie why is Merry at the last battle? i mean he was at the house of healers because he had stabbed the witch king so he got that black death stuff or what you-may-call it ooh and i don't remember Aragorn killing the mouth of sauron whats with that?

Because it was in the manusscript.

Peter Jackson changed alot of things that was or wasn't in the book, and thats usually the way the story goes with movies based on books.

The Might · 01-11-2009, 08:34 AM

Probably he did not want to split up the Merry-Pippin duo, just as Sam-Frodo. They had just found each other after the battle at Minas Tirith and PJ wasn't going to separate them again.

alatar · 01-11-2009, 08:39 AM

I'm surprised *anyone* was left of of the last battle. I think, however, the reason to include Merry was to use his tie to Pippin to evoke yet more emotion...oh my, these two are such friends and what if they were to die? sniff

And no one but Merry would give a pip if Pip were lost...

Lariren Shadow · 01-11-2009, 10:41 AM

Part of the reason why Merry was there could also be to centralize the hobbit emotion. Keep Merry and Pippin together so that way there is no random panning to The Houses of Healing, which, actually, weren't in the original theatrical release. It's hard to have a main character in a place that doesn't really exist to movie goers.

As for Aragorn(which I now have to look at to make sure its spelled right, damn Tudor history) beheading the Mouth of Sauron, he needed to die. Who else better to kill him than Aragorn? Plus, as it has been said, it's the movie, it looks good.

Gordis · 01-11-2009, 11:37 AM

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As for Aragorn(which I now have to look at to make sure its spelled right, damn Tudor history) beheading the Mouth of Sauron, he needed to die. Who else better to kill him than Aragorn? Plus, as it has been said, it's the movie, it looks good.

Sorry... but it looks AWFUL. It was during the PARLEY, for Christ's sake! If you kill an enemy ambassador during a parley, then you are no better then an Orc. In fact, you are worse. Even Orcs knew the rules, see what they cried to Aragorn when he stood above the gates in Helm's Deep:

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'Get down or we will shoot you from the wall,' they cried. 'This is no parley. You have nothing to say.'-LOTR, Helm's Deep

In the Books, the Mouth came forth, secure in his belief in Gondor's honor. And he was not mistaken:

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‘I am a herald and ambassador, and may not be assailed!’ he cried.
‘Where such laws hold,’ said Gandalf, ‘it is also the custom for ambassadors to use less insolence. But no one has threatened you. You have naught to fear from us, until your errand is done- LOTR, The Black Gate opens.

The Movie Mouth was a naive guy, trusting the wannabe King (who only won the crown by bringing the green jelley to the Plennor) and the ragtag wizard (who so dearly loved to beat mad Denethor on the head with his staff). No wonder the Mouth got his head chopped off in the most treacherous fashion.

thewichtking · 01-11-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gordis

Sorry... but it looks AWFUL. It was during the PARLEY, for Christ's sake! If you kill an enemy ambassador during a parley, then you are no better then an Orc. In fact, you are worse. Even Orcs knew the rules, see what they cried to Aragorn when he stood above the gates in Helm's Deep:

In the Books, the Mouth came forth, secure in his belief in Gondor's honor. And he was not mistaken:

The Movie Mouth was a naive guy, trusting the wannabe King (who only won the crown by bringing the green jelley to the Plennor) and the ragtag wizard (who so dearly loved to beat mad Denethor on the head with his staff). No wonder the Mouth got his head chopped off in the most treacherous fashion.

thats true and kinda funny

Beregond · 01-11-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordis

Sorry... but it looks AWFUL. It was during the PARLEY, for Christ's sake! If you kill an enemy ambassador during a parley, then you are no better then an Orc. In fact, you are worse. Even Orcs knew the rules, see what they cried to Aragorn when he stood above the gates in Helm's Deep:

Oh no, don't get me started. That's one of those incomprehensible scenes that make no sense in any dimension or reality. Aragorn loses all credibility right there. Like you said, Gordis, he becomes no better than the enemy. Certainly the history of war is rife with trickery and deceit, but this is ARAGORN, not Ulfang the Accursed, and killing the Tooth Decay of Sauron accomplishes nothing! Was PJ hoping the rabble would appreciate the death of one such horrible being, regardless of method? Have we sunk so low as a society that honour is meaningless? Maybe.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-11-2009, 05:02 PM

Did people whoop and holler when the head flew off? Then that's all there is to it. I don't want the film to be compromised for such people, but it's not about what I want - it's about how ridiculously successful the films were. Yes, many subtleties were lost in this version, but you had to expect that.

Lush · 01-12-2009, 05:14 AM

Well, they really took the whole "we captured and tortured Frodo" thing and laid it out there, hence giving Aragorn a reason to lose his temper (and he is very different from the book Aragorn, of course). Not a very great or convincing reason, because even the movie Aragorn was more restrained and thoughtful than that, but it worked visually, Eomer is right. And the Mouth wasn't really a guy, was he? He seemed more like a reanimated corpse - a direct extension of Sauron.

I personally didn't how he spoke with a very obvious foreign accent - Middle Eastern, was it? Guess I'm just sick of the "dark, barbaric foreigner" meme. Coupled with the "men of the West line," complete with terrible delivery from Viggo (an excellent Strider, imho, and a pretty bad King), it was just so blatant, there was no nuance. And I'm as big of a fan of dark, Other-izing tales as... um, other people?

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thewichtking Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 42	please post i want answers

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The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Probably he did not want to split up the Merry-Pippin duo, just as Sam-Frodo. They had just found each other after the battle at Minas Tirith and PJ wasn't going to separate them again. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

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alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	I'm surprised anyone was left of of the last battle. I think, however, the reason to include Merry was to use his tie to Pippin to evoke yet more emotion...oh my, these two are such friends and what if they were to die? sniff And no one but Merry would give a pip if Pip were lost... __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

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Lariren Shadow Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Where the day meets the night Posts: 607	Part of the reason why Merry was there could also be to centralize the hobbit emotion. Keep Merry and Pippin together so that way there is no random panning to The Houses of Healing, which, actually, weren't in the original theatrical release. It's hard to have a main character in a place that doesn't really exist to movie goers. As for Aragorn(which I now have to look at to make sure its spelled right, damn Tudor history) beheading the Mouth of Sauron, he needed to die. Who else better to kill him than Aragorn? Plus, as it has been said, it's the movie, it looks good. __________________ Choose treachery, its more fun!

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Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Did people whoop and holler when the head flew off? Then that's all there is to it. I don't want the film to be compromised for such people, but it's not about what I want - it's about how ridiculously successful the films were. Yes, many subtleties were lost in this version, but you had to expect that. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-12-2009, 05:14 AM	#16
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Well, they really took the whole "we captured and tortured Frodo" thing and laid it out there, hence giving Aragorn a reason to lose his temper (and he is very different from the book Aragorn, of course). Not a very great or convincing reason, because even the movie Aragorn was more restrained and thoughtful than that, but it worked visually, Eomer is right. And the Mouth wasn't really a guy, was he? He seemed more like a reanimated corpse - a direct extension of Sauron. I personally didn't how he spoke with a very obvious foreign accent - Middle Eastern, was it? Guess I'm just sick of the "dark, barbaric foreigner" meme. Coupled with the "men of the West line," complete with terrible delivery from Viggo (an excellent Strider, imho, and a pretty bad King), it was just so blatant, there was no nuance. And I'm as big of a fan of dark, Other-izing tales as... um, other people? __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~