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Old 06-02-2020, 09:14 AM   #1
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I don't know if this has ever been discussed with PJ, but his LOTR films (the first two, anyway) seem to have borrowed quite a bit from Ralph Bakshi's 1978 movie covering 1 1/2 of the books. Many cameras angles and scene setups look very similar.

A side-by-side comparison.
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The scene with the Black Riders attacking the hobbits' room in the Prancing Pony was a very obvious one that I noticed the first time I saw Jackson's film! Definitely a quote...
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Thanks for linking the video, actually made me feel very nostalgic about both (series of) films! The Bakshi film is ridiculous at times, but some of the visuals are very powerful.

I would ask though, how do you draw the line between plagiarism, deliberate homage/ intertextual reference, and simply something leaving such an impression on your imagination that you (possibly subconsciously) echo it in your own work?

Personally, I don't hold most of the parallels against Jackson&co (especially as some of these were a bit of a reach - there's a limited way of sensible options how to show say Gandalf arriving on a cart to Bag End), but a few are a bit jarringly similar, such as the hiding from the Black Rider under the roots of the tree. The Bakshi version manages to be much creepier, too!
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Personally, I don't hold most of the parallels against Jackson&co (especially as some of these were a bit of a reach - there's a limited way of sensible options how to show say Gandalf arriving on a cart to Bag End), but a few are a bit jarringly similar, such as the hiding from the Black Rider under the roots of the tree. The Bakshi version manages to be much creepier, too!
I believe there's a special mention in the EE director's commentaries, when Jackson makes specific mention of liking that scene from Bakshi's cartoon.
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I believe there's a special mention in the EE director's commentaries, when Jackson makes specific mention of liking that scene from Bakshi's cartoon.
I think I remember similar mentions (though I don't believe I ever listened to the commentaries), with both the tree root scene and the Riders stabbing the beds scene called out as deliberate homages.

I watched the start of the video, and wasn't all that impressed by the 'similarities' between the introductions. There was one shot (the Ring falling underwater, I think) which could have been a homage, and I guess putting it in as an intro at all could count, but other than that the shots were very different.

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