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Gil-Galad · 11-06-2003, 06:11 PM

*bump*

Gil-Galad · 11-12-2003, 08:56 AM

new question!

I held the banner that did not show
I died in lands i did not know
I passed through mountains, went very low

who am I?

Arestevana · 11-12-2003, 03:58 PM

Are you Halbarad?

Gil-Galad · 11-12-2003, 04:39 PM

sure why not!

Arestevana · 11-16-2003, 04:40 PM

I began in darkness, then lost laughter.
I lost sadness sometime after.
One to illness, one to cleft,
losing both what had I left?

Who am I?

Morgoth Bauglir · 11-16-2003, 08:40 PM

turin turambar?oh boy...been a while since ive read this. isnt hurin shackeled (sp) onto a cleft on morgoths mountain, and he lost his sister lalaith (translates to laughed i think) to the dark plague or something?

Arestevana · 11-17-2003, 07:21 PM

Turin is the answer I was looking for. Just to clarify: Lalaith, meaning laughter, was the sister whom he lost to illness, and Nienor, 'mourning' was his other sister, who cast herself into the Teiglin. So he lost both laughter and sadness.

Gil-Galad · 11-30-2003, 10:52 AM

Great friend of man i was
i gave them land, for allegiance
i charged towards the end
all my bones broken
i was lifted to the sky

who am I?

Salix · 12-02-2003, 01:50 PM

Fingolfin?

Samwise · 12-02-2003, 02:39 PM

Gil-Galad?

Gil-Galad · 12-02-2003, 04:46 PM

Salix is correct!!1

Gil-Galad · 12-04-2003, 08:16 AM

*bump*

Gil-Galad · 12-24-2003, 12:16 PM

lord of golden leaves i was
had a half a city named after me
fought aganest the bearers
yet stilled i failed and passed to the lady

Samwise · 12-24-2003, 01:28 PM

As usual, no clue. Celeborn? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

12-24-2003, 03:29 PM

I'm thinking Samwise's guess is good, but maybe its from the Silmarillion, Unfortunately I don't have that book right now. so for anyone else, if its not celeborn, think about the trees.
Unless I'm totally off
Sry, if I'm wrong, have fun
BYE!!! Merry Christmas!

Finwe · 12-24-2003, 04:03 PM

Amroth?

Gil-Galad · 12-25-2003, 12:27 PM

You know me finwe, explanation...

12-26-2003, 04:13 PM

Perhaps the answer is Lorien the Maia. He had part of Lothlorien named after him; the 'dream' part at least. And his spouse was Este, who is perhaps the lady mentioned in the last stanza. I admit that Lorien doesn't really fit the rest of the verse, but I thought perhaps...

12-26-2003, 04:15 PM

and when I say Lorien the Maia, of course I mean Lorien the Vala (I really kicked myself over this one)

Gil-Galad · 12-29-2003, 06:08 PM

you could've said Irmo, since Lorien was a place in Valinor, and LothLorien wasn't really a city, more a forest, but finwe is correct and i like a explanation of how you got it...

Gil-Galad · 01-04-2004, 12:09 PM

*bump* finwe

Gil-Galad · 01-09-2004, 05:01 PM

I am the heir
I come in time of need
My father and mother both killed
in the forests green
I come to reclaim the throne
From which the stunted took
I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd

who am i?

01-10-2004, 02:37 PM

Okay I'm guessing Aragorn. My reasons are:

I am the heir - he's the heir of Gondor and the race of Numenor(sp).

I come in time of need - came to Gondor during the battle of Pellenor fields, and saved both Gondor and all Middle earth from Mordor.

My father and mother both killed
in the forests green - His parents died when they were in the north (not in Gondor)

I come to reclaim the throne
From which the stunted took -I'm thinking these are the orcs of Mordor.

I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd - This one I'm not sure about. But maybe its the 2nd battle of the 3rd age or something.
[img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Thorongil · 01-10-2004, 04:28 PM

My guess is Dior, son of Beren and Luthien, because he killed Celegorm, Curufin and Caranthir( 3 C's).

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-10-2004, 04:34 PM

My guess would be Dior, Thingol's heir.
My reasons are as follows:
- Dior IS (Thingol's) heir.
- He comes after Thingol's death, so somehow the realm of Doriath needed a new ruler.
- Dior's father Beren was mortally wounded by Carcharoth in the green forest of Doriath, his wife Lúthien chose to became mortal and griefed to death, so maybe one can consider her as being "dead" in Middle-Earth, killed also by Carcharoth. (okay I admit this is the weak point.)
- Dior comes to Doriath in order to reclaim his grandfather's throne taken by the Dwarves (stunted people).
- Dior killed the Three C's (Celegorm, Caranthir and Curufin) in the second of the three great downfalls (Nargothrond, Doriath, Gondolin) of the First Age.
Greetings,
EfR

Gil-Galad · 01-10-2004, 08:00 PM

Thorongil got it first, but elrond explained it almost, the 2nd of the 3rd meant the 2nd kin slaying of the 3 kinslayings (teleri of avallone, doriath, sirion)and beren and luthien were both killed in ossriand by Sons or orcs, don't remeber. well thorongil or elrodn may anwser, whoever gets here first

symestreem · 01-10-2004, 08:29 PM

I beg to differ, Gil-galad. Beren and Luthien were not killed (unless it is stated otherwise in something more canonical than the Sil). They simply... died.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-10-2004, 08:34 PM

Well here I am. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Powerful I am,
Though I am no Lord.
My realm is the water,
but it is not flowing,
still it reaches everywhere.

Greetings,
EfR

Edit: I see now that there were some unclear points about the deaths of Beren and Lúthien. I would agree with the fact that Lúthien died of herself. I hope my riddle will be accepted, otherwise I will delete it.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:35 PM January 10, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Cathelm · 01-10-2004, 11:45 PM

I don't know if your answer is acceptable, but I'll have a go at your riddle. I guess Ulmo, though I have a feeling it's more complex than that.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 04:30 AM

Well it is NOT Ulmo. But on the other hand, my riddle is not THAT complicated. I would also like to see your reasons for choosing this or that person, otherwise I can't be sure if my riddle was understood. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Greetings,
EfR

Gil-Galad · 01-11-2004, 11:36 AM

Cirdan

Powerful I am-had many ships in his order
Though I am no Lord-wasn't really a king, only a leader
My realm is the water-made boats and sailed them
but it is not flowingbuilt boats on land
still it reaches everywhere-land/water reaches everywhere

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 11:43 AM

Nice work Gil-galad, but I am afraid this is not the answer. The clue "I am not a Lord" doesn't apply to Cirdan, as he was "The Lord of the Havens".
Extra hint: Think about what you can be if you aren't a Lord!
Greetings,
EfR

symestreem · 01-11-2004, 12:45 PM

Sounds like some sort of Lady of Rain, but I can't find anyone answering that description.

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 01:02 PM

Uinen, spouse of Osse?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 01:26 PM

And Uinen it is.
She was of course no Lord but very powerful as a Maia. Her realm was the water of all the seas (which are not flowing, in opposition to rivers and streams), and her hair was said to lie spread through all waters under sky.
Please proceed Lalaith.
Greetings,
EfR

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 03:10 PM

Ok, I'm new to this, here goes:

My nephew's scorn was quite unearned,
my heart was true, my hall was burned.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 03:19 PM

I am guessing wildly:
Turgon's "hall" Gondolin was burned (<>destroyed) because of the unjustified scorn of his nephew, Maeglin.

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 03:22 PM

No, that's not it.

Samwise · 01-11-2004, 05:45 PM

LOL....no clue as usual, as you're about to be able to tell:

Mandos?

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 05:48 PM

Sorry!

11-06-2003, 06:11 PM	#561
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	bump __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

11-12-2003, 08:56 AM	#562
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	new question! I held the banner that did not show I died in lands i did not know I passed through mountains, went very low who am I? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

11-12-2003, 04:39 PM	#564
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	sure why not! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

11-30-2003, 10:52 AM	#568
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Great friend of man i was i gave them land, for allegiance i charged towards the end all my bones broken i was lifted to the sky who am I? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-02-2003, 01:50 PM	#569
Salix Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: Riverbank of the Anduin Posts: 299	Fingolfin? __________________ Do not trifle with Dragons, as you are small, and crunchy, and taste good with ketchup.

11-12-2003, 03:58 PM	#563
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Are you Halbarad?

11-16-2003, 04:40 PM	#565
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	I began in darkness, then lost laughter. I lost sadness sometime after. One to illness, one to cleft, losing both what had I left? Who am I?

11-16-2003, 08:40 PM	#566
Morgoth Bauglir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 252	turin turambar?oh boy...been a while since ive read this. isnt hurin shackeled (sp) onto a cleft on morgoths mountain, and he lost his sister lalaith (translates to laughed i think) to the dark plague or something?

11-17-2003, 07:21 PM	#567
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Turin is the answer I was looking for. Just to clarify: Lalaith, meaning laughter, was the sister whom he lost to illness, and Nienor, 'mourning' was his other sister, who cast herself into the Teiglin. So he lost both laughter and sadness.

12-02-2003, 02:39 PM	#570
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Gil-Galad? __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

12-02-2003, 04:46 PM	#571
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Salix is correct!!1 __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-04-2003, 08:16 AM	#572
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	bump __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-24-2003, 12:16 PM	#573
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	lord of golden leaves i was had a half a city named after me fought aganest the bearers yet stilled i failed and passed to the lady __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-24-2003, 01:28 PM	#574
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	As usual, no clue. Celeborn? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

12-24-2003, 03:29 PM	#575
Tárafëaien Guest Posts: n/a	I'm thinking Samwise's guess is good, but maybe its from the Silmarillion, Unfortunately I don't have that book right now. so for anyone else, if its not celeborn, think about the trees. Unless I'm totally off Sry, if I'm wrong, have fun BYE!!! Merry Christmas!

12-24-2003, 04:03 PM	#576
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Amroth? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

12-25-2003, 12:27 PM	#577
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	You know me finwe, explanation... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-26-2003, 04:13 PM	#578
Melimo Guest Posts: n/a	Perhaps the answer is Lorien the Maia. He had part of Lothlorien named after him; the 'dream' part at least. And his spouse was Este, who is perhaps the lady mentioned in the last stanza. I admit that Lorien doesn't really fit the rest of the verse, but I thought perhaps...

12-26-2003, 04:15 PM	#579
Melimo Guest Posts: n/a	and when I say Lorien the Maia, of course I mean Lorien the Vala (I really kicked myself over this one)

12-29-2003, 06:08 PM	#580
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	you could've said Irmo, since Lorien was a place in Valinor, and LothLorien wasn't really a city, more a forest, but finwe is correct and i like a explanation of how you got it... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-04-2004, 12:09 PM	#581
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	bump finwe __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-09-2004, 05:01 PM	#582
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	I am the heir I come in time of need My father and mother both killed in the forests green I come to reclaim the throne From which the stunted took I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd who am i? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-10-2004, 02:37 PM	#583
Tárafëaien Guest Posts: n/a	Okay I'm guessing Aragorn. My reasons are: I am the heir - he's the heir of Gondor and the race of Numenor(sp). I come in time of need - came to Gondor during the battle of Pellenor fields, and saved both Gondor and all Middle earth from Mordor. My father and mother both killed in the forests green - His parents died when they were in the north (not in Gondor) I come to reclaim the throne From which the stunted took -I'm thinking these are the orcs of Mordor. I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd - This one I'm not sure about. But maybe its the 2nd battle of the 3rd age or something. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

01-10-2004, 04:28 PM	#584
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 788	My guess is Dior, son of Beren and Luthien, because he killed Celegorm, Curufin and Caranthir( 3 C's). __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

01-10-2004, 04:34 PM	#585
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	My guess would be Dior, Thingol's heir. My reasons are as follows: - Dior IS (Thingol's) heir. - He comes after Thingol's death, so somehow the realm of Doriath needed a new ruler. - Dior's father Beren was mortally wounded by Carcharoth in the green forest of Doriath, his wife Lúthien chose to became mortal and griefed to death, so maybe one can consider her as being "dead" in Middle-Earth, killed also by Carcharoth. (okay I admit this is the weak point.) - Dior comes to Doriath in order to reclaim his grandfather's throne taken by the Dwarves (stunted people). - Dior killed the Three C's (Celegorm, Caranthir and Curufin) in the second of the three great downfalls (Nargothrond, Doriath, Gondolin) of the First Age. Greetings, EfR

01-10-2004, 08:00 PM	#586
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Thorongil got it first, but elrond explained it almost, the 2nd of the 3rd meant the 2nd kin slaying of the 3 kinslayings (teleri of avallone, doriath, sirion)and beren and luthien were both killed in ossriand by Sons or orcs, don't remeber. well thorongil or elrodn may anwser, whoever gets here first __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-10-2004, 08:29 PM	#587
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	I beg to differ, Gil-galad. Beren and Luthien were not killed (unless it is stated otherwise in something more canonical than the Sil). They simply... died. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-10-2004, 08:34 PM	#588
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Well here I am. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Powerful I am, Though I am no Lord. My realm is the water, but it is not flowing, still it reaches everywhere. Greetings, EfR Edit: I see now that there were some unclear points about the deaths of Beren and Lúthien. I would agree with the fact that Lúthien died of herself. I hope my riddle will be accepted, otherwise I will delete it. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:35 PM January 10, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

01-10-2004, 11:45 PM	#589
Cathelm Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 47	I don't know if your answer is acceptable, but I'll have a go at your riddle. I guess Ulmo, though I have a feeling it's more complex than that.

01-11-2004, 04:30 AM	#590
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Well it is NOT Ulmo. But on the other hand, my riddle is not THAT complicated. I would also like to see your reasons for choosing this or that person, otherwise I can't be sure if my riddle was understood. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Greetings, EfR

01-11-2004, 11:36 AM	#591
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Cirdan Powerful I am-had many ships in his order Though I am no Lord-wasn't really a king, only a leader My realm is the water-made boats and sailed them but it is not flowingbuilt boats on land still it reaches everywhere-land/water reaches everywhere __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-11-2004, 11:43 AM	#592
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Nice work Gil-galad, but I am afraid this is not the answer. The clue "I am not a Lord" doesn't apply to Cirdan, as he was "The Lord of the Havens". Extra hint: Think about what you can be if you aren't a Lord! Greetings, EfR

01-11-2004, 12:45 PM	#593
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	Sounds like some sort of Lady of Rain, but I can't find anyone answering that description. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-11-2004, 01:02 PM	#594
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	Uinen, spouse of Osse? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-11-2004, 01:26 PM	#595
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	And Uinen it is. She was of course no Lord but very powerful as a Maia. Her realm was the water of all the seas (which are not flowing, in opposition to rivers and streams), and her hair was said to lie spread through all waters under sky. Please proceed Lalaith. Greetings, EfR