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symestreem · 04-30-2004, 01:59 PM

No. Widen your focus some more. And, perhaps I don't have the information you have (in which case this question is doomed!) but, don't assume something unless the books explicitly state it.

symestreem · 05-08-2004, 09:34 AM

OK, I have decided to change the question, because of the possibility that something in that vast and often self-contradictory Tolkien Legendarium is making the answer to this puzzle wrong.

I've taken out Rivendell and added two places. The OPO is still the same as before, so continue with the trains of thought you were on before. New list:

Minas Tirith
Doriath
Lothlorien
Gondolin
Nan Elmoth
the Fens of Sirion

Arvedui III · 06-01-2004, 08:37 AM

Herm...this is a horrible guess, but Nan Elmoth, as an elf and her mortal love lived in all the other places at some point in time.

symestreem · 06-07-2004, 11:52 AM

Nope. It's a lot simpler. But close.

symestreem · 07-05-2004, 08:53 AM

I'm... confused. Odd Place Out II disappeared.
Anyway, noone is getting this, so I am abdicating the thread and leaving it open for whoever gets here first.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-05-2004, 09:29 PM

There are no more "Something thread 2" threads, as they have been assimilated to the original "Something thread".

You serious about abdicating?

symestreem · 07-06-2004, 11:03 AM

You know what, I'm not. I'm not giving up yet.
The answer is very simple, and some variation or other has been guessed several times- not with the correct OPO, though.

Evisse the Blue · 07-06-2004, 04:25 PM

The Fens of Sirion, because two people (both Elves and Men) did not fall in love there?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-06-2004, 10:50 PM

You changed your mind? Figures. Next time you change your mind, you probably accept Adam's proposal to marry you.

No, she will not! What about GCHQ?

What about it?

Uh...

While Adam is thinking of a witty retort -

Yeah, right. - I'll give it a shot.

The Fens of Sirion - only one half of a mixed-raced couple passed there. (Beren from Doriath to Nargothrond)

symestreem · 07-07-2004, 05:55 PM

Nope. Simpler. Reaaaally simple.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-08-2004, 12:14 AM

Minas Tirith of Gondor did not exist during the Third Age?

Oh yeah! Simple!

symestreem · 07-08-2004, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Minas Tirith of Gondor did not exist during the Third Age?

What??
No. It's on the general track of all the other guesses. But simple.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-08-2004, 08:30 PM

What did happen in the Fens of Sirion?

Hmmm...no elves were married in Minas Tirith?

Mad Baggins · 07-08-2004, 09:00 PM

Minas Tirith was the only place where the entire Fellowship was, at one time?

Gil-Galad · 07-08-2004, 09:06 PM

Boromir was there with the fellowship though...he lived in Minas Tirith

symestreem · 07-09-2004, 05:51 AM

It doesn't have to do the races being married, so no to all of the above.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-11-2004, 08:18 PM

Nobody was married in the Fens of Sirion...

At least, nobody I know.

symestreem · 07-11-2004, 08:38 PM

Wrong OPO.

I just realized how incredibly ironic this question is...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-11-2004, 09:19 PM

Nobody was married in Doriath?

symestreem · 07-12-2004, 08:23 PM

I believe Galadriel and Celeborn were married in Doriath.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-15-2004, 09:12 PM

Nobody ever met in the Fens of Sirion?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-18-2004, 09:13 PM

symestreem?

symestreem · 07-19-2004, 08:23 AM

But they did. Earendil and Elwing met in the Fens of Sirion.

I 'm tying up this thread from a more fun and challenging question, I know. This time, I really do mean to give up.

Correct answer:
Lothlorien
Lothlorien is the only place of the list where there is no specific marriage that takes place.
Minas Tirith- Arwen and Aragorn
Doriath- Galadriel and Celeborn
Gondolin- Tuor and Idril
Nan Elmoth- Eol and Aredhel
the Fens of Sirion- Earendil and Elwing

This thread is open to whoever gets here first.

Gil-Galad · 07-19-2004, 11:59 AM

hopefully i'm first here to post...

Minas Tirith
Tol-in-Gauroth
Minas Anor
Taur-Nu-Fuin

Sleepy Ranger · 07-19-2004, 01:35 PM

Hey its Minas Tirith,
Its the only place not under the control of Sauron

Gil-Galad · 07-19-2004, 01:36 PM

very close but no

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-19-2004, 09:30 PM

symestreem darling, surely you must refer to the Mouths of Sirion, not the Fens.

Quote:

Yet by Sirion and the sea there grew up an Elven-folk, the gleamings of Doriath and Gondolin...

(The Silmarillion 23)

Quote:

Bright Eärendil was then lord of the people that dwell nigh to Sirion's mouths; and he took to wife Elwing the fair...

(The Silmarillion 24)

Gil-galad: Minas Anor. Its the only place Sauron never controlled.

symestreem · 07-20-2004, 10:03 AM

...Oops...

There are also fens at the mouth of the Sirion, however. Still... that was really stupid, and I apologize to everyone.

Gil-Galad · 07-20-2004, 10:38 AM

good job Nilpaurion! your turn!

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-21-2004, 12:48 AM

That's OK, sym dearie. After all, we are all imperfect here.

Thank you, Gil-galad. And thank you, too, Sleepy Ranger. [evil grin]

Here's mine, then.

Nargothrond
Emyn Arnen
Gondolin
Tirion

Have fun!

Tuor of Gondolin · 07-21-2004, 08:26 AM

Could it be Emyn Arnen, the only one of the four not the dwelling of elves?

Gil-Galad · 07-21-2004, 09:46 AM

Tirion was the only place Morgoth ever been in, or the only place he has knowledge of

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-21-2004, 07:42 PM

A clue: nothing to do with Elves, as a race, that is...

Gil-Galad · 07-22-2004, 10:23 AM

nargothrond only place where a race dwelled before the elves

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-22-2004, 08:46 PM

I really mean it. Nothing to do with the word "Elf" or "Elves"; although they are involved, their race doesn't matter.

Tuor of Gondolin · 07-22-2004, 08:57 PM

If this is the answer it's aggravatingly simple/tricksy/whatever.

Nargothrond the only underground dwelling?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-22-2004, 09:03 PM

It's not that simple, but it still beats Quantum Mechanics in simplicity.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-28-2004, 09:43 PM

Anyone?

Please?

Evisse the Blue · 07-29-2004, 02:43 AM

Emyn Arnen the only one not a stronghold?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-29-2004, 07:58 PM

Clue: Rulers. Not the metric kind.

05-08-2004, 09:34 AM	#642
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	Stupid symestreems! OK, I have decided to change the question, because of the possibility that something in that vast and often self-contradictory Tolkien Legendarium is making the answer to this puzzle wrong. I've taken out Rivendell and added two places. The OPO is still the same as before, so continue with the trains of thought you were on before. New list: Minas Tirith Doriath Lothlorien Gondolin Nan Elmoth the Fens of Sirion

06-01-2004, 08:37 AM	#643
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 631	Herm...this is a horrible guess, but Nan Elmoth, as an elf and her mortal love lived in all the other places at some point in time. __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

07-05-2004, 09:29 PM	#646
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	There are no more "Something thread 2" threads, as they have been assimilated to the original "Something thread". You serious about abdicating? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-06-2004, 04:25 PM	#648
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,740	The Fens of Sirion, because two people (both Elves and Men) did not fall in love there? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-06-2004, 10:50 PM	#649
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	You changed your mind? Figures. Next time you change your mind, you probably accept Adam's proposal to marry you. No, she will not! What about GCHQ? What about it? Uh... While Adam is thinking of a witty retort - Yeah, right. - I'll give it a shot. The Fens of Sirion - only one half of a mixed-raced couple passed there. (Beren from Doriath to Nargothrond) __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

04-30-2004, 01:59 PM	#641
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	No. Widen your focus some more. And, perhaps I don't have the information you have (in which case this question is doomed!) but, don't assume something unless the books explicitly state it.

06-07-2004, 11:52 AM	#644
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	Nope. It's a lot simpler. But close.

07-05-2004, 08:53 AM	#645
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	I'm... confused. Odd Place Out II disappeared. Anyway, noone is getting this, so I am abdicating the thread and leaving it open for whoever gets here first.

07-06-2004, 11:03 AM	#647
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	You know what, I'm not. I'm not giving up yet. The answer is very simple, and some variation or other has been guessed several times- not with the correct OPO, though.

07-07-2004, 05:55 PM	#650
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	Nope. Simpler. Reaaaally simple.

07-08-2004, 12:14 AM	#651
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	You asked for it... Minas Tirith of Gondor did not exist during the Third Age? Oh yeah! Simple! __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-08-2004, 08:30 PM	#653
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Hehe...I meant "First Age" What did happen in the Fens of Sirion? Hmmm...no elves were married in Minas Tirith? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-08-2004, 09:00 PM	#654
Mad Baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A place where after thunder golden showers come falling like a rain of flowers. Posts: 374	Minas Tirith was the only place where the entire Fellowship was, at one time? __________________ I like buying snacks from a vending machine because food is better when it falls. Sometimes at the grocery, I'll drop a candy bar so that it will achieve its maximum flavor potential.

07-08-2004, 09:06 PM	#655
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Boromir was there with the fellowship though...he lived in Minas Tirith __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-09-2004, 05:51 AM	#656
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	It doesn't have to do the races being married, so no to all of the above.

07-11-2004, 08:18 PM	#657
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	So... Nobody was married in the Fens of Sirion... At least, nobody I know. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-11-2004, 08:38 PM	#658
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	Wrong OPO. I just realized how incredibly ironic this question is...

07-11-2004, 09:19 PM	#659
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Nobody was married in Doriath? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-12-2004, 08:23 PM	#660
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	I believe Galadriel and Celeborn were married in Doriath.

07-15-2004, 09:12 PM	#661
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Nobody ever met in the Fens of Sirion? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-18-2004, 09:13 PM	#662
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	*bump* symestreem? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-19-2004, 08:23 AM	#663
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	Oops, sorry But they did. Earendil and Elwing met in the Fens of Sirion. I 'm tying up this thread from a more fun and challenging question, I know. This time, I really do mean to give up. Correct answer: Lothlorien Lothlorien is the only place of the list where there is no specific marriage that takes place. Minas Tirith- Arwen and Aragorn Doriath- Galadriel and Celeborn Gondolin- Tuor and Idril Nan Elmoth- Eol and Aredhel the Fens of Sirion- Earendil and Elwing This thread is open to whoever gets here first.

07-19-2004, 11:59 AM	#664
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	hopefully i'm first here to post... Minas Tirith Tol-in-Gauroth Minas Anor Taur-Nu-Fuin __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-19-2004, 01:35 PM	#665
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,724	Hey its Minas Tirith, Its the only place not under the control of Sauron __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

07-19-2004, 01:36 PM	#666
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	very close but no __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-20-2004, 10:03 AM	#668
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	...Oops... There are also fens at the mouth of the Sirion, however. Still... that was really stupid, and I apologize to everyone.

07-20-2004, 10:38 AM	#669
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	good job Nilpaurion! your turn! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-21-2004, 12:48 AM	#670
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	That's OK, sym dearie. After all, we are all imperfect here. Thank you, Gil-galad. And thank you, too, Sleepy Ranger. [evil grin] Here's mine, then. Nargothrond Emyn Arnen Gondolin Tirion Have fun! __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-21-2004, 08:26 AM	#671
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Could it be Emyn Arnen, the only one of the four not the dwelling of elves? Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin; 07-21-2004 at 08:37 AM.

07-21-2004, 09:46 AM	#672
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Tirion was the only place Morgoth ever been in, or the only place he has knowledge of __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-21-2004, 07:42 PM	#673
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Wrong! A clue: nothing to do with Elves, as a race, that is... __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-22-2004, 10:23 AM	#674
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	nargothrond only place where a race dwelled before the elves __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-22-2004, 08:46 PM	#675
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Wrong again! I really mean it. Nothing to do with the word "Elf" or "Elves"; although they are involved, their race doesn't matter. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-22-2004, 08:57 PM	#676
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	If this is the answer it's aggravatingly simple/tricksy/whatever. Nargothrond the only underground dwelling?

07-22-2004, 09:03 PM	#677
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Sorry, son of Huor. It's not that simple, but it still beats Quantum Mechanics in simplicity. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...