LOTR banned!!!!! - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nevfeniel · 09-12-2002, 04:21 PM

If worse comes to worse, you can always put a different dustcover on your book, provided it's a hardback.

InklingElf · 09-12-2002, 06:47 PM

I have one comment -since observing everyone's reactions-tell me, where do you read your lotr books? when do you read them?

Eruwen · 09-12-2002, 06:53 PM

Hey all. I havn't been able to get on in a while, so that is why I couldnt respond.

But anyway, to answer some questions.

Daisy Sandybanks-
Yes, Harry Potter is banned too. It is horrible the rules they put on us!

Ainahithiel-
Hate to tell you, but it is fantasy. I know, I know, it COULD be possible. But I doubt it. There are too many made up characters. So I consider it fantasy.

Orlandoandsaran-
I don't know how they can ban those books. It is against our rights. But they do it anyway.

InklingElf-
Well, this principal is new this year. I read my books last year. So I didn't get in trouble for it. But mostly I read them at home. A little at school, but mostly home. But let me say one thing...you better bet when I get my Unfinished Tales that I will be reading it at school. And if I get suspended for it, then bring it on! Cause it is our birthright as Americans!

Thanks for all of your responses. I will DEFINITLY take some thought in using them. You all helped very much.

InklingElf · 09-12-2002, 07:13 PM

Alright I understand now

Neferchoirwen · 09-12-2002, 08:59 PM

Well, it's obvious that the principal hasn't read any of the books yet. I don't blame him for that, though it's a fickle-minded move on his part.

"Demonology?" Man, I had the same thing rapped against me. A few friends "warned" me against reading HPotter. I read it, and found the circulated email against it to be quite fabricated, if you ask me. Still, a few other warned me about LotR, which is absurd. They've never read any of these books, and instead of feeling offended (I've been bitter out of pride, but that's all okay) I feel sorry for them because they've never had the privilege of entering Middle Earth.

And I just hope that your principal, Eruwen, would think about all of this. LotR is a GREAT literary masterpiece. A school that does not promote it to its students lacks in exposure to that magnificent brach of Literature called fantasy.

...And it's really awesome that your parents are ding something about it. I hope that your parents would come up with enough reason to "unban" Tolkien.

Good luck!

[ September 13, 2002: Message edited by: Neferchoirwen ]

Eruwen · 09-13-2002, 07:48 PM

Thanks, Neferchoirwen. Me too. I really hope that he will give in once he reads some of the information I am going to give him. It was great to hear so many replies though. Everyone has hepled alot. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Joy · 09-13-2002, 08:11 PM

Eruwen, check out a thead over in books, it's on the first page, it is called Tolkien, Lewis and Relgion. This might help with the principal.

Eruwen · 09-13-2002, 08:19 PM

thanks joy. I have looked at that already. But thanks for the help!

Manwe Sulimo · 09-13-2002, 09:17 PM

Ways to get LotR back in school:

1) Go to an armory, buy a longsword, and carve the word "Andúril" on it in Elven script.
2) Get some mail (chain, not letters), a shield, a helm.
3) Have a friend carry the Standard of Arwen behind you.
4) Get a tall friend with a bow and some arrows, and a short friend with a battleaxe.
5) Walk to school through the woods (as to get dirty)
6) BURN THE SCH--

Uhh...sorry about that. Just...umm....right....

OOOHHH!!!!

Go out, buy a hundred/thousand copies of LotR, bring them to the school during the night, and put one on every desk.

-OR-

Leave school for somewhere more sensible.

Anywho....

(The above was the opinion of the author's evil alter-ego. The preceding in no way illustrates the author's opinion or what he might do next Thursday....)

I feel blessed by Eru (YES, ERU! Take THAT for demons, b-y-otch!) to go to a public school where they can't ban anything short of pornography (I mean, I'm reading Helter Skelter while my class is discussing Lord of the Flies).

Birdland · 09-13-2002, 09:36 PM

I just have to wonder where all this vague fear of "demonology" has come from in our society. When I was young, (in the 50s and 60s), we were all taken to church on Sunday and learned our Bible lessons. Then our mothers would read us the Brother's Grimm, Hans Christian Anderson, and the like before bedtime.

At Halloween we got to dress like witches and ghosts, and the whole family would gather round the TV to watch "The Wizard of Oz" and "Peter Pan" at Christmas time. And I don't remember one family friend or relative fretting that we would be "corrupted" by any of these images. I was Protestant, but my friend, who was raised staunch Catholic, had a similar upbringing.

And why was this so? Because they were considered fairy tales! And while we didn't have the freedoms and rights that kids these days are awarded, we were at least assumed to understand the difference between real life and fantasy.

I think there are some adults out there who need to get a grip.

GreatWarg · 09-13-2002, 10:10 PM

I don't think there will be need of any real cause of protesting openly against your principal. The suggestions made by a few intellectual people are indeed very well, as of Child's warning of sending a letter to the editor of a local newspaper. Your principal has no idea what values Tolkien has written inside his books, and therefore his ignorance is causing him to believe all fantasy books are the same. I would suggest against the idea of having Gilthalion writing a letter to your principal though. Your principal would not know who he is, or see any reason to even read the letter. There is not much that we can do because we do not live in your area or go to your school. But of the students in your school, petition or have each of them write a letter about what they say of the values of Tolkien. Needless to say, I am sad your school will not be able to enjoy Tolkien's writings without the principal criticizing what you read. You have the community of the Barrow-Downs with you all the way. And if you think you may want some help from us, I am sure a few of us would be willing to help in writing a large letter to your teacher from the Barrow-Downs community. We live for Tolkien!

Neferchoirwen · 09-14-2002, 07:15 AM

I agree with Birdland. Though I was a kid in the eighties (being the eldest, I was spared by New Wave--no offense, though), I was also raised with the whole fairy tale package, not to mention all the movies and animation.

And with all that, I was never told that all of those weren't REAL. (Except for the fake blood in horror movies. My mom would swear it off as ketchup, while my dad would pretend that he's a scared five-year old) I guess both my parents believed in me enough as a kid to know that all that ain't real.

**lindil** · 09-14-2002, 08:30 AM

Eruwen,IMO go w/ the soft-approach first [ private talk w/ the principal, 'Finding God...', etc. ] Then after that if it did not work I would raise a huge stink, maybe w/ a slogan likeChristian Author Banned in Private School or somesuch and I would write editorials, stage protests [ who knows you might get real lucky and thrown out [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ]

To Red: I must say that despite the need to maintain a 'class decorum' If a teacher is being paid to stuff your mind w/ shall I we say, CRAP, is not self defense, in this case replacing the offending intrusion w/ something profitable the smart thing to do?

I feel modern education for the most part bites the big one and I recall & regard my many many re-readings of JRRT and Thoreau and John Crowley as lifesaver. My school [I graduated in 84] was purely and simply[w/ a few rare exceptions]about turning out compliant and unthinking cogs for this mindless juggernaut 'democracy' of ours [america]. I revolted in many ways, and I am glad, to not have done so would have probably reduced me to something I would despise. Say a Bill Gates [ w/out the $ of course] or a fork-tounged politician, or an iatrogenic 'Dr.' > I think you get my drift.

Anyway, I would draw a line in the sand if I was in Eruwen's position. Sure you are not going to get official sanction to read during math class. but no JRRT on Campus? during Lunch, on the bus? what will be next ? no Bible?

Sorry if I got carried away, but that is a very sore and touchy subject for me.

I really do feel young teenager's need to learn how to rebel 'responsibly'. It is a tough thing, as it goes against many grains in our nature, some of them natural. but question [ and pray] about everything!
If you do not develop a drive and will for truth when you are young, it is very hard to get later.It is so easy to be swept into the sea of american complacency and consumerism.

Oh and btw, i remembered I had to 'steal' a confiscated FotR back from a home-ec teacher [ out of her desk] thanks for the reminder! I had totally forgotten.

now if I could just remember that clothes folding and dish cleaning class....

Eruwen,
please keep us updated.

Eruwen · 09-14-2002, 11:15 AM

I will keep everyone knowing what is going on. I was actually thinking about printing out a biography of Tolkien and putting it on his desk really early in the morning. Ya know, that way he could find out all of the truth about the writer, and not know who did it at the same time.

But I think I will go out and by that book "Finding God in the Lord of the Rings" and start reading it at school. Then maybe my principle will see it and look at it for himself.

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 09-14-2002, 02:55 PM

Eruwen, I went to a private school myself, and know what they can be like: like small towns, only smaller.

Let me explain to the rest of the crowd.

Guys, the flag-waving stuff works in large public schools, not private schools for a reason.

a) In public school, there's an anonymity in numbers, you're just one face in the crowd. Every hour you deal with different teachers. Next quarter will be a different set, next year still others. What you do, your individuality, is lost in it. Not completely, but to a large degree. Good or bad.

b) There's an expectation of homogenous views, when a school differs from the norm there's already pressure from the PTA to bring it in line.

c) There's a boredom with normalcy, so that once you start causing trouble, you won't be alone. Even people who don't care about the issue will join you, just for the sheer joy of it. Often you'll start something and it will snowball, and someone else will take over championing it.

d) Ultimately the power over public schools is the State. Principals are removable, and both the Pricipals and the teachers know this. This makes it possible for teachers to join your dispute, or at least agree with it. It makes Principals amenable to at least the appearance of listening.

In a private school..

a) People know you. There's that close student-to-teacher ratio. For education and individuality this is good. But you have a long-term relationship with these people, and have to consider how what you say will effect them not just for this quarter, but next year and the year after that. You're not lost in the sea of faces, but everything you do, even subtle things, stand out in stark relief. And you have to live with it for the long haul.

c) Other kids are aware of this, and are less likely to jump on board a cause. In fact they tend to get ****ed off and irritated if you rock the boat.

b) Private schools pride themselves on being different, so aren't pushovers to public opinion. If they were the same as public schools, there would be no reason to send your children there. These schools are molded by the opinions and views of those who run them. And they're proud of it. Conservative schools tend to think of themselves as 'molding impressionable children' and are less likely to listen to their students than most places. Liberal private schools are the opposite.

Private schools are, however, as someone rightly pointed out, very vulnerable to the opinion of the paying parents. Especially right now in a spooky economy. But one set of paying parents has little influence.

d) The ultimate authority in most private schools is the Principal. Both the Principal and the Teachers are aware of this. This means teachers watch their fannies and won't join your fight, even if they personally agree you. They follow their leader with apparently cult-like devotion, and keep their quarrels with him amongst themselves. Principals do not feel any pressure to maintain even the appearance of listening. This gives a lot of flexibility too, though. If you convince him of something, the policy changes overnight, no questions.

What works then is direct, private, polite conversation. Sigh. Usually between the paying parents and the principal, not the kids.

So where does that leave you? Know your enemy. Eruwen likely knows who she's dealing with, her own influence, and her likelihood of changing the man's mind.

Eru, are you the only one concerned about the Lord of the Rings being banned? Anyone else interested in reading 'Finding God in the Lord of the Rings'? Any parents who might be concerned about this?

-Maril

Manwe Sulimo · 09-14-2002, 04:00 PM

I say just continue to read it. He bothers you again about it, bring up your First Amendment rights (I'm pretty sure the "freedom of speech" applies to people listening, too). Anyone read Nothing But The Truth by Avi?

Eruwen · 09-14-2002, 04:57 PM

Not many parents are interrested in fighting for this. But there are other ways. Like having some of the teachers discuss it in faculty meetings.

And Marileangorifurnimaluim, omg you explained it exactly. That is exactly how it is at my school. I am not the only one at school though. There are many students.

And Manwe, if I said that to MY principle, I would probably get suspended for three days plus demerits, and if I was ever caught reading the book again, I would probably get expelled. So, I'm not even going to try with the whole US rights thing. He wont listen. (Look at letter "b" in Maril's response. That will explain it all.

Alatariel · 09-15-2002, 11:12 AM

My physics teacher gets uptight about LOTR, because I always have it with me in school. I don't actually read it in lessons, I just put it front cover-down on the desk, because there's not enough room for it in my bag (hey, it's a big book!). But every lesson he makes me put it on the floor - the floor! My precious book! On the dirty floor!
OK, I admit I am overreacting here just a tiny bit *shifty eyes*, but he's perfectly fine with any other book, and it's not like I've ever even attempted to read it in any of my lessons. I mean, what harm can a book face-down on a desk do?
I bet he would let me leave it there if it was a Bible [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 09-15-2002, 12:49 PM

Been there, been there Eruwen. Kids who go to public schools don't understand the rules are completely different in the tiny sub-culture of a private school.

You know who you're dealing with. Each private school is its own world.

If any of the faculty feel the LotR is more properly classified with the Narnia Chronicles, so much the better.

Sometimes these autocrats stubbornly stick to their guns even if they discover they were mistaken. Their feeling is "if I give in on this, what else will have to swallow? I'll lose my authority."

So it seems to me - from over here - that the less of a big deal you make of it, the more likely you won't back him into a corner where he has to say 'no' to save face.

Leave the decision with him.

I wouldn't attack his views on magic in general (heh - you know that!), but the LotR should be reclassified with C.S. Lewis's works. They are not directly allegorical, but they are spiritual in nature.

Perhaps privately and anonymously give him a copy of "Finding God in the Lord of the Rings."

Any copy of the "Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis shows the dedication "To my friend, J.R.R. Tolkien." No kidding!

You are looking for a change of heart, not a victory in a battle of wills.

The fact that C.S. Lewis is accepted is wonderful. That's your "in." The Lord of the Rings is misclassified with the Harry Potter books, when it should be classified with C.S. Lewis' works.

I love Harry Potter, but for those who dislike witchcraft, it's on the side of the witches and wizards. In the LotR magic is dangerous, Frodo's main job is to destroy it and avoid the temptation to use it himself. You couldn't have a more different premise.

-Maril

Eruwen · 09-15-2002, 12:56 PM

Very good idea Maril-

And you know, I think you are the only person I have ever talked to on here that actually understands what kind of stupid stuff I have to go through at my school.

Thanks for all of the help everyone!

Arathiriel · 09-15-2002, 01:08 PM

Banning LOTR sounds just plain stupid to me!

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charly · 09-15-2002, 01:53 PM

Gosh... poor you! It´s just horrid when people do that, plus it´s against human rights. (Freedom of speach) What´s he gonna ban next... a midsummers night dream? That sure has "demons" in it, but no, that´s classic literature... AARGH!
Luckily, we have pretty human teachers... exept for the one that told us all disney movies were evil... he was sort of a freak, but whatever.
Tolkien totally fascienates everyone, I even got my GRANDFATHER to read FotR, so there!
I really hope your mom&those folkes are gonna sort that out... tolkien rulz!!

Ainahithiel of Mirkwood · 09-15-2002, 03:49 PM

Actually if it's a private school and a public building, they can ban things and it wouldn't be against your rights. Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with reading books. If it's a private school, they have more control over you than in a public school.

just telling you [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Joy · 09-15-2002, 05:09 PM

Eruwen, I think that Maril has given you the best advice so far.

Have you ever heard of Randy Alcorn, he is a Christain writer. He has writen Deadline, Donminion and many others. One of his books "Edge of Eternity", which I loved, has in the acknoldgements a thank you note to CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien and to other writers. (PS. this book is rememicent of Lewis, Tolkien and John Bunyan's Pilgram's Progess).

Here is Alcorn's web site Eternal Perspectives Ministry - Alcorn's Bio

DaughterofVana · 09-15-2002, 10:24 PM

I really wish I could say something that already hasn't been said, but it seems like you have universal support here at the Downs, so hopefully that will help a little (though I guess it's kind of preaching to the choir, that we would be as outraged as you... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]) That's just high school for you, regardless of the "private" or "public" prefix. We all had to go through it, in one way or another. Trust me, when you get to college, they won't be half as strict, not even three-fourths. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And if they are, at least you'll have more power in determining your fate. It sucks, but when you're under 18, it's hard as nails to pull any weight, at least in my understanding.

At least you have the support of the parents--unfortunately, I've found that they're the real people who have say in matters such as these. Maybe they'll have more say, since the education is private and paid for rather than under-funded and neglected (as it was in my high-school, public of course, and US besides! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ). I agree with the viewpoint on kids not having any say in private schools, but maybe the parents will have more luck, since they, at least partly, are supplying the principal's salary. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Be sure to keep us posted on how it comes out!

-'Vana

Craban · 09-16-2002, 11:42 AM

Gack, this is bringing back old memories! I'm deeply, deeply glad I went to public school (but it was in the Bible belt so some of the same things apply). Eruwen, what do your parents think? Are they behind you on this?

If nothing can be done, at least console yourself with the blessed knowledge that you'll be out of there in a few years and that you have the intelligence and spirit to mold your mind to *your own* specifications, not anyone else's. I heartily support intelligent rebellion, even when it only avails you on the inside, that's the important part. Petty tyrants have no claim on your heart. Keep reading!

OT and upthread - LINDIL?? You read John Crowley?? Hosanna, another one! I love his work so much and he is SO underrated. Just a shoutout and a thumbs-up.

Armadoin · 09-17-2002, 10:11 AM

You are not alone, Eruwen. My 8th grade teacher banned anything Tolkien from our school too. We fought back though, and now you can have them in the school. I hope your situation turns out well in the end.

Eruwen · 09-23-2002, 05:52 PM

OMG!!!! You will not believe what I saw in our SCHOOL library. It was the whole set of LOTR and 2 copies of the Hobbit. Can you believe it? I think I'm going to put an "anonymous" (sp?) note in my principles's box to let him know and look at it. Then possibly he will talk to our librarian about it.

Oh, this is so good. I just wanted to tell all of you. I'll keep you updated on the facts!

Aylwen Dreamsong · 09-24-2002, 02:16 PM

his week is National Banned Books week. Or at least my language arts teacher says it is. She read a long list of the top 150 books that were considered for banning in the past 10 years. Lord of the Rings was I think somewhere in the thirties? But the number one book was one of the Harry Potter books. Another book was the giver, and a bunch of other books that people though promoted devilry and satanism... but what I don't get is, if the parents dont want their children reading it, why does it have to be banned from ALLLLLLLLLL kids???

Aylwen

Isilya · 09-24-2002, 03:21 PM

I went to a private school (okay, so it was only for one year. No, I was not expelled), so I have an idea of your situation. If worse comes to worse, just explain that while he may disapprove of Tolkien's works, countless thousands of others enjoy them immensly. There is nothing wrong with reading the books, it's one of the countless ways that we express ourselves, and as long as we don't try to start the THIRD War of the Ring, I don't see any harm in reading them. If you have to do a book report on the latest book you've read, you can do it on The Sil, LOTR, or some other work by Tolkien, gently explaining the ideals and beliefs in the works, or held by Tolkien, though that might not be the greatest idea.

If that SOB still doesn't understand, Manwe, give the go-ahead [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Neferchoirwen · 09-26-2002, 02:13 AM

Hey Aylwen...is banned book "The Giver" the one by Lois Lowry?

Quote:

You will not believe what I saw in our SCHOOL library

I couldn't believe it either, Eruwen. Irony is everywhere. I'm wondering what your principal will do once he finds out. I can laugh at his discovery.

Isilya · 09-26-2002, 04:43 AM

Ugh. The Giver is a creepy, creepy book.

Aylwen Dreamsong · 09-26-2002, 05:58 AM

Yeah is was "the GIver". It was an ok book, I read it over the summer because I knew we had to read it sometime during the school year for Language arts. But I thought it was.....very strange... What shade of color did they see if they couldn't really see color?? Oh well, this is a lotr forum.....

LoL
Aylwen

09-26-2002, 07:31 AM

Hey, I just wanted to be here for moral support, HOW ON EARTH COULD THEY CALL IT DEMONOLOGY! If you want to start a petition or something--COME TO MEH! I am outraged, full support, and judging from the replies, I guess everyone else feels the same! I say you should listen to what everyone else says--I feel so sorry for you, I mean, I take LotR to school everyday just to hug it during classes, however, I am a scary person...We're with you all the way!

Eruwen · 09-26-2002, 06:16 PM

Well, I do have some bad news. Although it has been quite humorous reading your responses, I found out something else...

One of the goals of my new principle is to "clean out" all of the trash in our library. He is probably going to get rid of LOTR!!!! And for one thing, we have no trash in our library. I mean, it's not like we carry porno or anything. So, there goes those sets of books. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Hmmm...maybe I can buy them from the school...

Nevfeniel · 09-26-2002, 07:19 PM

I have an idea! Why stop at the banning of LotR? Why not ban The Chronicles of Narnia, The Wizard of Oz, and ANYTHING ELSE THAT FORCES THE READER TO USE HIS/HER IMAGINATIONS(which, I believe, is something that teachers are/should be trying to do)?!? Come on! At least people are reading; there are worse things that students could do during school (drugs, for example). I know this post doesn't actually help anyone; I'm just trying to make a point like everyone else.

Brinniel · 09-27-2002, 07:23 PM

Here's an idea:

During the holiday season wrap a set of LOTR and give to the principal. Challenge him to read it.

If that doesn't work, just quote lines from the books in front of his face.

Alright, I know this would probably get you in trouble, but it was just a thought.

Errrr. I know I probably said this before, but it just makes me so angry for someone to ban such beautiful books!

Aramacil · 09-30-2002, 11:44 AM

I just found out that our school has a copy of all the LOTR-books [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] my school rules, [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] actually it's the only positive point that my school has. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Eruwen · 11-23-2002, 07:47 PM

Ha!! Guess what!!!!! I finally have some results from this huge thing that has been happening at my school. My principle, stupid as he is, thought the book my friend was reading was HARRY POTTER!!!! Lol!!!!!!

It turns out he has nothing against J.R.R. Tolkien at all. Lol. So everything is fine. We can read our books now, and we dont have to worry about anything. Isn't it funny after all this, it all turns out to be some stupid misunderstanding. But thanks to all of you who stuck up for me this whole time. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

11-23-2002, 07:59 PM

wow...oh well, all's well that ends well, I suppose! (And yes, your principle is stupid as most are)

09-12-2002, 04:21 PM	#41
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	If worse comes to worse, you can always put a different dustcover on your book, provided it's a hardback. __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

09-12-2002, 08:59 PM	#45
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 513	Well, it's obvious that the principal hasn't read any of the books yet. I don't blame him for that, though it's a fickle-minded move on his part. "Demonology?" Man, I had the same thing rapped against me. A few friends "warned" me against reading HPotter. I read it, and found the circulated email against it to be quite fabricated, if you ask me. Still, a few other warned me about LotR, which is absurd. They've never read any of these books, and instead of feeling offended (I've been bitter out of pride, but that's all okay) I feel sorry for them because they've never had the privilege of entering Middle Earth. And I just hope that your principal, Eruwen, would think about all of this. LotR is a GREAT literary masterpiece. A school that does not promote it to its students lacks in exposure to that magnificent brach of Literature called fantasy. ...And it's really awesome that your parents are ding something about it. I hope that your parents would come up with enough reason to "unban" Tolkien. Good luck! [ September 13, 2002: Message edited by: Neferchoirwen ] __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

09-13-2002, 08:11 PM	#47
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,020	Eruwen, check out a thead over in books, it's on the first page, it is called Tolkien, Lewis and Relgion. This might help with the principal. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

09-13-2002, 09:17 PM	#49
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Ways to get LotR back in school: 1) Go to an armory, buy a longsword, and carve the word "Andúril" on it in Elven script. 2) Get some mail (chain, not letters), a shield, a helm. 3) Have a friend carry the Standard of Arwen behind you. 4) Get a tall friend with a bow and some arrows, and a short friend with a battleaxe. 5) Walk to school through the woods (as to get dirty) 6) BURN THE SCH-- Uhh...sorry about that. Just...umm....right.... OOOHHH!!!! Go out, buy a hundred/thousand copies of LotR, bring them to the school during the night, and put one on every desk. -OR- Leave school for somewhere more sensible. Anywho.... (The above was the opinion of the author's evil alter-ego. The preceding in no way illustrates the author's opinion or what he might do next Thursday....) I feel blessed by Eru (YES, ERU! Take THAT for demons, b-y-otch!) to go to a public school where they can't ban anything short of pornography (I mean, I'm reading Helter Skelter while my class is discussing Lord of the Flies). __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

09-13-2002, 10:10 PM	#51
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	I don't think there will be need of any real cause of protesting openly against your principal. The suggestions made by a few intellectual people are indeed very well, as of Child's warning of sending a letter to the editor of a local newspaper. Your principal has no idea what values Tolkien has written inside his books, and therefore his ignorance is causing him to believe all fantasy books are the same. I would suggest against the idea of having Gilthalion writing a letter to your principal though. Your principal would not know who he is, or see any reason to even read the letter. There is not much that we can do because we do not live in your area or go to your school. But of the students in your school, petition or have each of them write a letter about what they say of the values of Tolkien. Needless to say, I am sad your school will not be able to enjoy Tolkien's writings without the principal criticizing what you read. You have the community of the Barrow-Downs with you all the way. And if you think you may want some help from us, I am sure a few of us would be willing to help in writing a large letter to your teacher from the Barrow-Downs community. We live for Tolkien! __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

09-12-2002, 06:47 PM	#42
InklingElf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 421	I have one comment -since observing everyone's reactions-tell me, where do you read your lotr books? when do you read them?

09-12-2002, 06:53 PM	#43
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	Hey all. I havn't been able to get on in a while, so that is why I couldnt respond. But anyway, to answer some questions. Daisy Sandybanks- Yes, Harry Potter is banned too. It is horrible the rules they put on us! Ainahithiel- Hate to tell you, but it is fantasy. I know, I know, it COULD be possible. But I doubt it. There are too many made up characters. So I consider it fantasy. Orlandoandsaran- I don't know how they can ban those books. It is against our rights. But they do it anyway. InklingElf- Well, this principal is new this year. I read my books last year. So I didn't get in trouble for it. But mostly I read them at home. A little at school, but mostly home. But let me say one thing...you better bet when I get my Unfinished Tales that I will be reading it at school. And if I get suspended for it, then bring it on! Cause it is our birthright as Americans! Thanks for all of your responses. I will DEFINITLY take some thought in using them. You all helped very much.

09-12-2002, 07:13 PM	#44
InklingElf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 421	Alright I understand now

09-13-2002, 07:48 PM	#46
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	Thanks, Neferchoirwen. Me too. I really hope that he will give in once he reads some of the information I am going to give him. It was great to hear so many replies though. Everyone has hepled alot. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

09-13-2002, 08:19 PM	#48
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	thanks joy. I have looked at that already. But thanks for the help!

09-13-2002, 09:36 PM	#50
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,757	I just have to wonder where all this vague fear of "demonology" has come from in our society. When I was young, (in the 50s and 60s), we were all taken to church on Sunday and learned our Bible lessons. Then our mothers would read us the Brother's Grimm, Hans Christian Anderson, and the like before bedtime. At Halloween we got to dress like witches and ghosts, and the whole family would gather round the TV to watch "The Wizard of Oz" and "Peter Pan" at Christmas time. And I don't remember one family friend or relative fretting that we would be "corrupted" by any of these images. I was Protestant, but my friend, who was raised staunch Catholic, had a similar upbringing. And why was this so? Because they were considered fairy tales! And while we didn't have the freedoms and rights that kids these days are awarded, we were at least assumed to understand the difference between real life and fantasy. I think there are some adults out there who need to get a grip.

09-14-2002, 07:15 AM	#52
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 513	I agree with Birdland. Though I was a kid in the eighties (being the eldest, I was spared by New Wave--no offense, though), I was also raised with the whole fairy tale package, not to mention all the movies and animation. And with all that, I was never told that all of those weren't REAL. (Except for the fake blood in horror movies. My mom would swear it off as ketchup, while my dad would pretend that he's a scared five-year old) I guess both my parents believed in me enough as a kid to know that all that ain't real. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

09-14-2002, 08:30 AM	#53
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	Eruwen,IMO go w/ the soft-approach first [ private talk w/ the principal, 'Finding God...', etc. ] Then after that if it did not work I would raise a huge stink, maybe w/ a slogan likeChristian Author Banned in Private School or somesuch and I would write editorials, stage protests [ who knows you might get real lucky and thrown out [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ] To Red: I must say that despite the need to maintain a 'class decorum' If a teacher is being paid to stuff your mind w/ shall I we say, CRAP, is not self defense, in this case replacing the offending intrusion w/ something profitable the smart thing to do? I feel modern education for the most part bites the big one and I recall & regard my many many re-readings of JRRT and Thoreau and John Crowley as lifesaver. My school [I graduated in 84] was purely and simply[w/ a few rare exceptions]about turning out compliant and unthinking cogs for this mindless juggernaut 'democracy' of ours [america]. I revolted in many ways, and I am glad, to not have done so would have probably reduced me to something I would despise. Say a Bill Gates [ w/out the $ of course] or a fork-tounged politician, or an iatrogenic 'Dr.' > I think you get my drift. Anyway, I would draw a line in the sand if I was in Eruwen's position. Sure you are not going to get official sanction to read during math class. but no JRRT on Campus? during Lunch, on the bus? what will be next ? no Bible? Sorry if I got carried away, but that is a very sore and touchy subject for me. I really do feel young teenager's need to learn how to rebel 'responsibly'. It is a tough thing, as it goes against many grains in our nature, some of them natural. but question [ and pray] about everything! If you do not develop a drive and will for truth when you are young, it is very hard to get later.It is so easy to be swept into the sea of american complacency and consumerism. Oh and btw, i remembered I had to 'steal' a confiscated FotR back from a home-ec teacher [ out of her desk] thanks for the reminder! I had totally forgotten. now if I could just remember that clothes folding and dish cleaning class.... Eruwen, please keep us updated. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

09-14-2002, 11:15 AM	#54
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	I will keep everyone knowing what is going on. I was actually thinking about printing out a biography of Tolkien and putting it on his desk really early in the morning. Ya know, that way he could find out all of the truth about the writer, and not know who did it at the same time. But I think I will go out and by that book "Finding God in the Lord of the Rings" and start reading it at school. Then maybe my principle will see it and look at it for himself.

09-14-2002, 02:55 PM	#55
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Eruwen, I went to a private school myself, and know what they can be like: like small towns, only smaller. Let me explain to the rest of the crowd. Guys, the flag-waving stuff works in large public schools, not private schools for a reason. a) In public school, there's an anonymity in numbers, you're just one face in the crowd. Every hour you deal with different teachers. Next quarter will be a different set, next year still others. What you do, your individuality, is lost in it. Not completely, but to a large degree. Good or bad. b) There's an expectation of homogenous views, when a school differs from the norm there's already pressure from the PTA to bring it in line. c) There's a boredom with normalcy, so that once you start causing trouble, you won't be alone. Even people who don't care about the issue will join you, just for the sheer joy of it. Often you'll start something and it will snowball, and someone else will take over championing it. d) Ultimately the power over public schools is the State. Principals are removable, and both the Pricipals and the teachers know this. This makes it possible for teachers to join your dispute, or at least agree with it. It makes Principals amenable to at least the appearance of listening. In a private school.. a) People know you. There's that close student-to-teacher ratio. For education and individuality this is good. But you have a long-term relationship with these people, and have to consider how what you say will effect them not just for this quarter, but next year and the year after that. You're not lost in the sea of faces, but everything you do, even subtle things, stand out in stark relief. And you have to live with it for the long haul. c) Other kids are aware of this, and are less likely to jump on board a cause. In fact they tend to get ***ed off and irritated if you rock the boat. b) Private schools pride themselves on being different, so aren't pushovers to public opinion. If they were the same as public schools, there would be no reason to send your children there. These schools are molded by the opinions and views of those who run them. And they're proud of it. Conservative schools tend to think of themselves as 'molding impressionable children' and are less likely to listen to their students than most places. Liberal private schools are the opposite. Private schools are, however, as someone rightly pointed out, very vulnerable to the opinion of the paying parents. Especially right now in a spooky economy. But one set of paying parents has little influence. d) The ultimate authority in most private schools is the Principal. Both the Principal and the Teachers are aware of this. This means teachers watch their fannies and won't join your fight, even if they personally agree you. They follow their leader with apparently cult-like devotion, and keep their quarrels with him amongst themselves. Principals do not feel any pressure to maintain even the appearance of listening. This gives a lot of flexibility too, though. If you convince him of something, the policy changes overnight, no questions. What works then is direct, private, polite conversation. Sigh. Usually between the paying parents and the principal, not the kids. So where does that leave you? Know your enemy. Eruwen likely knows who she's dealing with, her own influence, and her likelihood of changing the man's mind. Eru, are you the only one concerned about the Lord of the Rings being banned? Anyone else interested in reading 'Finding God in the Lord of the Rings'? Any parents who might be concerned about this? -Maril __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?*

09-14-2002, 04:00 PM	#56
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	I say just continue to read it. He bothers you again about it, bring up your First Amendment rights (I'm pretty sure the "freedom of speech" applies to people listening, too). Anyone read Nothing But The Truth by Avi? __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

09-14-2002, 04:57 PM	#57
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	Not many parents are interrested in fighting for this. But there are other ways. Like having some of the teachers discuss it in faculty meetings. And Marileangorifurnimaluim, omg you explained it exactly. That is exactly how it is at my school. I am not the only one at school though. There are many students. And Manwe, if I said that to MY principle, I would probably get suspended for three days plus demerits, and if I was ever caught reading the book again, I would probably get expelled. So, I'm not even going to try with the whole US rights thing. He wont listen. (Look at letter "b" in Maril's response. That will explain it all.

09-15-2002, 11:12 AM	#58
Alatariel Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Cliffs of Insanity Posts: 178	My physics teacher gets uptight about LOTR, because I always have it with me in school. I don't actually read it in lessons, I just put it front cover-down on the desk, because there's not enough room for it in my bag (hey, it's a big book!). But every lesson he makes me put it on the floor - the floor! My precious book! On the dirty floor! OK, I admit I am overreacting here just a tiny bit shifty eyes, but he's perfectly fine with any other book, and it's not like I've ever even attempted to read it in any of my lessons. I mean, what harm can a book face-down on a desk do? I bet he would let me leave it there if it was a Bible [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] __________________ You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword and we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?

09-15-2002, 12:49 PM	#59
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Been there, been there Eruwen. Kids who go to public schools don't understand the rules are completely different in the tiny sub-culture of a private school. You know who you're dealing with. Each private school is its own world. If any of the faculty feel the LotR is more properly classified with the Narnia Chronicles, so much the better. Sometimes these autocrats stubbornly stick to their guns even if they discover they were mistaken. Their feeling is "if I give in on this, what else will have to swallow? I'll lose my authority." So it seems to me - from over here - that the less of a big deal you make of it, the more likely you won't back him into a corner where he has to say 'no' to save face. Leave the decision with him. I wouldn't attack his views on magic in general (heh - you know that!), but the LotR should be reclassified with C.S. Lewis's works. They are not directly allegorical, but they are spiritual in nature. Perhaps privately and anonymously give him a copy of "Finding God in the Lord of the Rings." Any copy of the "Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis shows the dedication "To my friend, J.R.R. Tolkien." No kidding! You are looking for a change of heart, not a victory in a battle of wills. The fact that C.S. Lewis is accepted is wonderful. That's your "in." The Lord of the Rings is misclassified with the Harry Potter books, when it should be classified with C.S. Lewis' works. I love Harry Potter, but for those who dislike witchcraft, it's on the side of the witches and wizards. In the LotR magic is dangerous, Frodo's main job is to destroy it and avoid the temptation to use it himself. You couldn't have a more different premise. -Maril __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

09-15-2002, 12:56 PM	#60
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	Very good idea Maril- And you know, I think you are the only person I have ever talked to on here that actually understands what kind of stupid stuff I have to go through at my school. Thanks for all of the help everyone!

09-15-2002, 01:08 PM	#61
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	Banning LOTR sounds just plain stupid to me! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

09-15-2002, 01:53 PM	#62
charly Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: middle earth, dork Posts: 84	Gosh... poor you! It´s just horrid when people do that, plus it´s against human rights. (Freedom of speach) What´s he gonna ban next... a midsummers night dream? That sure has "demons" in it, but no, that´s classic literature... AARGH! Luckily, we have pretty human teachers... exept for the one that told us all disney movies were evil... he was sort of a freak, but whatever. Tolkien totally fascienates everyone, I even got my GRANDFATHER to read FotR, so there! I really hope your mom&those folkes are gonna sort that out... tolkien rulz!! __________________ "Whom do you serve, scum?"

09-15-2002, 03:49 PM	#63
Ainahithiel of Mirkwood Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Helm's Deep Posts: 26	Actually if it's a private school and a public building, they can ban things and it wouldn't be against your rights. Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with reading books. If it's a private school, they have more control over you than in a public school. just telling you [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ "Bygones be and lovers part, I'm asking you to leave my heart. Go in peace, harm to none, my new life, has now begun"

09-15-2002, 05:09 PM	#64
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,020	Eruwen, I think that Maril has given you the best advice so far. Have you ever heard of Randy Alcorn, he is a Christain writer. He has writen Deadline, Donminion and many others. One of his books "Edge of Eternity", which I loved, has in the acknoldgements a thank you note to CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien and to other writers. (PS. this book is rememicent of Lewis, Tolkien and John Bunyan's Pilgram's Progess). Here is Alcorn's web site Eternal Perspectives Ministry - Alcorn's Bio __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

09-15-2002, 10:24 PM	#65
DaughterofVana Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: twirling contentedly in a flower-filled field Posts: 136	I really wish I could say something that already hasn't been said, but it seems like you have universal support here at the Downs, so hopefully that will help a little (though I guess it's kind of preaching to the choir, that we would be as outraged as you... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]) That's just high school for you, regardless of the "private" or "public" prefix. We all had to go through it, in one way or another. Trust me, when you get to college, they won't be half as strict, not even three-fourths. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And if they are, at least you'll have more power in determining your fate. It sucks, but when you're under 18, it's hard as nails to pull any weight, at least in my understanding. At least you have the support of the parents--unfortunately, I've found that they're the real people who have say in matters such as these. Maybe they'll have more say, since the education is private and paid for rather than under-funded and neglected (as it was in my high-school, public of course, and US besides! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ). I agree with the viewpoint on kids not having any say in private schools, but maybe the parents will have more luck, since they, at least partly, are supplying the principal's salary. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Be sure to keep us posted on how it comes out! -'Vana __________________ "There is a kind of happiness and wonder that makes you serious. It is too good to waste on jokes." Hi! Did you miss me?

09-16-2002, 11:42 AM	#66
Craban Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dunland, USA Posts: 13	Gack, this is bringing back old memories! I'm deeply, deeply glad I went to public school (but it was in the Bible belt so some of the same things apply). Eruwen, what do your parents think? Are they behind you on this? If nothing can be done, at least console yourself with the blessed knowledge that you'll be out of there in a few years and that you have the intelligence and spirit to mold your mind to your own specifications, not anyone else's. I heartily support intelligent rebellion, even when it only avails you on the inside, that's the important part. Petty tyrants have no claim on your heart. Keep reading! OT and upthread - LINDIL?? You read John Crowley?? Hosanna, another one! I love his work so much and he is SO underrated. Just a shoutout and a thumbs-up.

09-17-2002, 10:11 AM	#67
Armadoin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien, ME... Posts: 54	You are not alone, Eruwen. My 8th grade teacher banned anything Tolkien from our school too. We fought back though, and now you can have them in the school. I hope your situation turns out well in the end. __________________ "I must not fear.Fear is the mind killer. fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see it's path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

09-23-2002, 05:52 PM	#68
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	OMG!!!! You will not believe what I saw in our SCHOOL library. It was the whole set of LOTR and 2 copies of the Hobbit. Can you believe it? I think I'm going to put an "anonymous" (sp?) note in my principles's box to let him know and look at it. Then possibly he will talk to our librarian about it. Oh, this is so good. I just wanted to tell all of you. I'll keep you updated on the facts!

09-24-2002, 02:16 PM	#69
Aylwen Dreamsong The Melody of Misery Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Island of Conclusions (You get there by jumping!)... Posts: 1,162	his week is National Banned Books week. Or at least my language arts teacher says it is. She read a long list of the top 150 books that were considered for banning in the past 10 years. Lord of the Rings was I think somewhere in the thirties? But the number one book was one of the Harry Potter books. Another book was the giver, and a bunch of other books that people though promoted devilry and satanism... but what I don't get is, if the parents dont want their children reading it, why does it have to be banned from ALLLLLLLLLL kids??? Aylwen __________________ ...Come down now, they'll say. But everything looks perfect from far away - Come down now! But we'll stay.

09-24-2002, 03:21 PM	#70
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	I went to a private school (okay, so it was only for one year. No, I was not expelled), so I have an idea of your situation. If worse comes to worse, just explain that while he may disapprove of Tolkien's works, countless thousands of others enjoy them immensly. There is nothing wrong with reading the books, it's one of the countless ways that we express ourselves, and as long as we don't try to start the THIRD War of the Ring, I don't see any harm in reading them. If you have to do a book report on the latest book you've read, you can do it on The Sil, LOTR, or some other work by Tolkien, gently explaining the ideals and beliefs in the works, or held by Tolkien, though that might not be the greatest idea. If that SOB still doesn't understand, Manwe, give the go-ahead [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-26-2002, 04:43 AM	#72
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	Ugh. The Giver is a creepy, creepy book. __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-26-2002, 05:58 AM	#73
Aylwen Dreamsong The Melody of Misery Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Island of Conclusions (You get there by jumping!)... Posts: 1,162	Yeah is was "the GIver". It was an ok book, I read it over the summer because I knew we had to read it sometime during the school year for Language arts. But I thought it was.....very strange... What shade of color did they see if they couldn't really see color?? Oh well, this is a lotr forum..... LoL Aylwen __________________ ...Come down now, they'll say. But everything looks perfect from far away - Come down now! But we'll stay.

09-26-2002, 07:31 AM	#74
Silivren-Niphredil Guest Posts: n/a	Hey, I just wanted to be here for moral support, HOW ON EARTH COULD THEY CALL IT DEMONOLOGY! If you want to start a petition or something--COME TO MEH! I am outraged, full support, and judging from the replies, I guess everyone else feels the same! I say you should listen to what everyone else says--I feel so sorry for you, I mean, I take LotR to school everyday just to hug it during classes, however, I am a scary person...We're with you all the way!

09-26-2002, 06:16 PM	#75
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	Well, I do have some bad news. Although it has been quite humorous reading your responses, I found out something else... One of the goals of my new principle is to "clean out" all of the trash in our library. He is probably going to get rid of LOTR!!!! And for one thing, we have no trash in our library. I mean, it's not like we carry porno or anything. So, there goes those sets of books. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Hmmm...maybe I can buy them from the school...

09-26-2002, 07:19 PM	#76
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	I have an idea! Why stop at the banning of LotR? Why not ban The Chronicles of Narnia, The Wizard of Oz, and ANYTHING ELSE THAT FORCES THE READER TO USE HIS/HER IMAGINATIONS(which, I believe, is something that teachers are/should be trying to do)?!? Come on! At least people are reading; there are worse things that students could do during school (drugs, for example). I know this post doesn't actually help anyone; I'm just trying to make a point like everyone else. __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.