Don't cry for me Gríma Wormtongue - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elianna · 07-20-2004, 10:14 AM

In TTT, after Saruman gives his uruk army a pep talk, we see the Gríma is crying (well, a single tear slowly trickles down his dirty cheek). I'm wondering why exactly.

I've thought of several possiblities with various levels of selfishness:
1) He's realized "no dawn for men" is his country, and that's all his fault.
2) He's realized "no dawn for men" includes Éowyn, and that's all his fault.
3) He's realized "no dawn for men" includes himself, and that's all his fault.

Of course it's probably each to varying levels, but how much of which?

Boromir88 · 07-20-2004, 10:19 AM

I always thought he was crying because him and Saruman reached an emotional level in the story. Here you have 10 000 Uruk-hai at your disposal very touching moment if you are evil. Who knows we all know Grima goes into rage and kills Saruman, but from this early on, I just thought Grima was touched because he thought Saruman was indestructable. If that makes any sense.

The Only Real Estel · 07-20-2004, 10:27 AM

There are two more threads on this subject, though this is the only one I could find:

Gima Crying???

There's some good discussion on this thread, & I think we hit upon the most probable reason somewhere in there

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-Estel-

07-20-2004, 10:14 AM	#1
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Don't cry for me Gríma Wormtongue In TTT, after Saruman gives his uruk army a pep talk, we see the Gríma is crying (well, a single tear slowly trickles down his dirty cheek). I'm wondering why exactly. I've thought of several possiblities with various levels of selfishness: 1) He's realized "no dawn for men" is his country, and that's all his fault. 2) He's realized "no dawn for men" includes Éowyn, and that's all his fault. 3) He's realized "no dawn for men" includes himself, and that's all his fault. Of course it's probably each to varying levels, but how much of which? __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

07-20-2004, 10:19 AM	#2
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,559	Different reason I always thought he was crying because him and Saruman reached an emotional level in the story. Here you have 10 000 Uruk-hai at your disposal very touching moment if you are evil. Who knows we all know Grima goes into rage and kills Saruman, but from this early on, I just thought Grima was touched because he thought Saruman was indestructable. If that makes any sense.

07-20-2004, 10:27 AM	#3
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 3,025	There are two more threads on this subject, though this is the only one I could find: Gima Crying??? There's some good discussion on this thread, & I think we hit upon the most probable reason somewhere in there . -Estel-