Character Ages - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mordor136 · 12-13-2001, 04:14 PM

How old was Legolas when he passed into the undying lands? I've just been wondering since it dosent tell in any of the appendixes.

Elrian · 12-13-2001, 07:44 PM

It doesn't say in any of the glossaries or the encyclopedias. All I found was that he flourished in the Third Age. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Orald · 12-13-2001, 08:08 PM

There is no exact age, although the people over at Newline would argue that.

Elrian · 12-13-2001, 08:43 PM

Ah, but New Line can't argue on that one, they didn't right the book, they just backed the film. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Pippin · 12-14-2001, 05:16 AM

not exactly the same topic, but I was wondering...it says how old Frodo and Pippin were when they set out form Bag End, but I can't find anything in the books that says how old Merry and Sam were, older than Pippin and younger than Frodo (from the comments made by Frodo concerning baths in Crickhollow) but no exact age. where did the ages spring from in the characters section of the Barrowdowns?

Elenhin · 12-14-2001, 05:59 AM

Pippin: Appendix C of LotR (the family trees) gives all the birth-years of the most important hobbits (and a lots of less important hobbits as well).

Pippin · 12-14-2001, 09:44 AM

oh right....thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Lostgaeriel · 12-14-2001, 05:02 PM

Be careful about Sam's age in the Family Trees! I asked about this about a month ago in Novices and Newcomers.

According to LOTR Appendix B, the chronology or Tale of Years, Sam was born same year as Faramir - Third Age 2983, but according to Appendix C, the family trees, he was born Shire Reckoning 1380, which equals Third Age 2980.

Elrian advised me that the generally accepted date is that from the Tale of Years.

mordor136 · 12-14-2001, 09:50 PM

hallo again its the new guy who started the topic. I found it funny that no books by Tolkien himself tell Legolas' age, yet New Line Cenima can come up with the number of 2,931 in the official move guide.(maybe I should bring this up in the movie forum?)

Elrian · 12-15-2001, 12:02 AM

That's interesting. Thrandruil his father is only breifly mentioned in the Silmarillion, and mentioned some in Unfinished tales as becoming King after the Last Alliance where his father Oropher was killed. Legolas was not mentioned before the Third Age. But they never said that he didn't exist then either.

mordor136 · 12-15-2001, 08:12 AM

I too have found the samwise and boromir error, odd?

12-15-2001, 02:01 PM

Hello, I am new [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] But I know some things about Legolas' age.

Quote:

'Five hundred times have the red leaves fallen in Mirkwood in my home since then,' said Legolas, 'and but a little while does that seem to us.'

Also note this from Letters

Quote:

The Balrog is a survivor from the Silmarillion and the legends of the First Age. [...] It is observable that only the Elf (1) knows what the thing is - and doubtless Gandalf.
Source: J.R.R. Tolkien - The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (1: Tolkien means Legolas)

Hope this helps, but still nothing definate.

Lindolirian · 12-15-2001, 03:55 PM

If you wnat to know the exact ages of the Fellowship ( execpt for Gandalf and Legolas) go to quizzes and under medium there is one that I wrote titled "How Old?" Take the quiz and even if u don't get 'em all right you'll get the answers at the end. The ages are what it was when the Company left Rivendell : December 25, T.A. 3018

Lindolirian · 12-15-2001, 04:02 PM

I almost forgot... I got the ages by looking at the timeline in Appendix B. I calculated the ages from their birthdates. And yes I used a calculator and had my work checked by others so i wouldn't post bad info.

Joy · 03-13-2002, 01:23 AM

I noted that in the chapter that Pippin is in Gondor with Beregrond, he states to his son that he is 28 yrs old.

12-13-2001, 04:14 PM	#1
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	Character Ages How old was Legolas when he passed into the undying lands? I've just been wondering since it dosent tell in any of the appendixes. __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

12-13-2001, 07:44 PM	#2
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	It doesn't say in any of the glossaries or the encyclopedias. All I found was that he flourished in the Third Age. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

12-13-2001, 08:43 PM	#4
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Ah, but New Line can't argue on that one, they didn't right the book, they just backed the film. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

12-14-2001, 05:16 AM	#5
Pippin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I don't know, I'm lost! Posts: 85	not exactly the same topic, but I was wondering...it says how old Frodo and Pippin were when they set out form Bag End, but I can't find anything in the books that says how old Merry and Sam were, older than Pippin and younger than Frodo (from the comments made by Frodo concerning baths in Crickhollow) but no exact age. where did the ages spring from in the characters section of the Barrowdowns? __________________ never mind the pint.... does it come in gallons???

12-14-2001, 09:44 AM	#7
Pippin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I don't know, I'm lost! Posts: 85	oh right....thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ never mind the pint.... does it come in gallons???

12-13-2001, 08:08 PM	#3
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	There is no exact age, although the people over at Newline would argue that.

12-14-2001, 05:59 AM	#6
Elenhin Wight Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Vantaa, Finland Posts: 205	Pippin: Appendix C of LotR (the family trees) gives all the birth-years of the most important hobbits (and a lots of less important hobbits as well).

12-14-2001, 05:02 PM	#8
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	Be careful about Sam's age in the Family Trees! I asked about this about a month ago in Novices and Newcomers. According to LOTR Appendix B, the chronology or Tale of Years, Sam was born same year as Faramir - Third Age 2983, but according to Appendix C, the family trees, he was born Shire Reckoning 1380, which equals Third Age 2980. Elrian advised me that the generally accepted date is that from the Tale of Years. __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

12-14-2001, 09:50 PM	#9
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	hallo again its the new guy who started the topic. I found it funny that no books by Tolkien himself tell Legolas' age, yet New Line Cenima can come up with the number of 2,931 in the official move guide.(maybe I should bring this up in the movie forum?) __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

12-15-2001, 12:02 AM	#10
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	That's interesting. Thrandruil his father is only breifly mentioned in the Silmarillion, and mentioned some in Unfinished tales as becoming King after the Last Alliance where his father Oropher was killed. Legolas was not mentioned before the Third Age. But they never said that he didn't exist then either. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

12-15-2001, 08:12 AM	#11
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	I too have found the samwise and boromir error, odd? __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

12-15-2001, 03:55 PM	#13
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	If you wnat to know the exact ages of the Fellowship ( execpt for Gandalf and Legolas) go to quizzes and under medium there is one that I wrote titled "How Old?" Take the quiz and even if u don't get 'em all right you'll get the answers at the end. The ages are what it was when the Company left Rivendell : December 25, T.A. 3018 __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-15-2001, 04:02 PM	#14
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	I almost forgot... I got the ages by looking at the timeline in Appendix B. I calculated the ages from their birthdates. And yes I used a calculator and had my work checked by others so i wouldn't post bad info. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-13-2002, 01:23 AM	#15
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	I noted that in the chapter that Pippin is in Gondor with Beregrond, he states to his son that he is 28 yrs old. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?