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yavanna II · 07-08-2004, 05:45 AM

Who is this Amroth guy? If he was king of Lorien, why did he forsake his people? If he did, why didn't he give the king/queenship to Celeborn/Galadriel?

Findegil · 07-08-2004, 07:01 AM

Tolkien had more than one concept for Amroth. Clear is, that he took up the kingship when in the last aliance the Woodland-king of Lorien died.
These King was in the first concept Magdalen and was Amroth and Celeborns father. Thus Celeborn was the rightfull King as long as Amroth didn't return. Amroth return was not completly out of question since none in Middle-Earth had seen him die. In an other concept Amroth was the son of Galadriel and Celeborn. And in a thrid one he was the son of the Woodland King then named Amdír who was unconected to Celeborn (or better only remotly akin).

When Amroth went to the south with his beloved Nimrodel, to led her into Valinor he had already left Lórien and searched Nimrodel for some time so that he didn't had a chance to give the kingship over to whom ever. In the cases of concept two and three neither Celeborn nor Galadriel were in Lórien when Amroth left it. They only went their when they heared of Amroth's depature.

Respectfully
Findegil

symestreem · 07-08-2004, 07:04 AM

By various accounts, Amroth was the Silvan king of Lorien or the son of Galadriel and Celeborn. Either way, he was an elf-lord who lived in Lorien.
He loved this girl named Nimrodel, but when the Balrog started making trouble a bunch of the elves fled south. Nimrodel fleeing south but was lost in the mountains of Gondor.
Amroth made it south and was waiting for her, but a storm drove the ship out of harbor. He tried to swim back to land and Nimrodel, but drowned. Dol Amroth bears his name.
One of Nimrodel's handmaids did make it south and married a Numenoren, thus starting the line of the princes of Dol Amroth.

Boromir88 · 07-08-2004, 08:33 AM

Wonder if there is any connection with the people of "Dol Amroth?" We already know Imrahil has a little bit of elven blood, along with most people from Gondor. Or there really is no connection ment, just a word Tolkien liked to use, "amroth" lol.

mark12_30 · 07-08-2004, 08:37 AM

"Unfinished Tales" is widely available in paperback and contains all the varying answers to your questions. Highly recommended.

Fingolfin II · 07-08-2004, 08:00 PM

As mark12_30 said, Unfinished Tales is the way to go.

Briefly, I'll describe the story behind 'Dol Amroth'-

Basically, an elven-maiden named Mithrellas was a companion of Nimrodel, the love of Amroth. However, she got separated from Nimrodel and became lost in the woods of Belfalas, where she met a Numenorean named Imrazor. They had a son, Galador, who was a half-elf. He became the lord of Belfallas and the first Lord of Dol Amroth (named after Amroth, the ex-King of Lorien). Imrahil was descended from Galador.

Another interesting thing is that Boromir and Faramir have elven, as well as Numenorean, blood running through their veins as their mother is Finduilas, sister of Imrahil!

Boromir88 · 07-08-2004, 09:44 PM

Ty fingolfin for the brief rundown, I haven't read UT yet and just about to start the Sil. So after the sil I will get to the UT

mark12_30 · 07-09-2004, 06:34 AM

UT is an easier read than the Sil.

BTW, if you struggle with the SIL (many do), try writing down all your own geneologies & place-names that they go with (you could xerox the map, and write on the xeroxed copy...) Yes, there are tables in the back, but there's nothing like writing it down yourself. Several folk have found this helpful.

07-08-2004, 05:45 AM	#1
yavanna II Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in my own little world Posts: 142	Amroth Who is this Amroth guy? If he was king of Lorien, why did he forsake his people? If he did, why didn't he give the king/queenship to Celeborn/Galadriel?

07-08-2004, 08:33 AM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,559	connection? Wonder if there is any connection with the people of "Dol Amroth?" We already know Imrahil has a little bit of elven blood, along with most people from Gondor. Or there really is no connection ment, just a word Tolkien liked to use, "amroth" lol.

07-08-2004, 08:37 AM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,407	Amroth, Nimrodel, Dol Amroth, Mithrellas, Imrazor, etc, etc "Unfinished Tales" is widely available in paperback and contains all the varying answers to your questions. Highly recommended. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

07-08-2004, 08:00 PM	#6
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,039	As mark12_30 said, Unfinished Tales is the way to go. Briefly, I'll describe the story behind 'Dol Amroth'- Basically, an elven-maiden named Mithrellas was a companion of Nimrodel, the love of Amroth. However, she got separated from Nimrodel and became lost in the woods of Belfalas, where she met a Numenorean named Imrazor. They had a son, Galador, who was a half-elf. He became the lord of Belfallas and the first Lord of Dol Amroth (named after Amroth, the ex-King of Lorien). Imrahil was descended from Galador. Another interesting thing is that Boromir and Faramir have elven, as well as Numenorean, blood running through their veins as their mother is Finduilas, sister of Imrahil! __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

07-09-2004, 06:34 AM	#8
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,407	UT is an easier read than the Sil. BTW, if you struggle with the SIL (many do), try writing down all your own geneologies & place-names that they go with (you could xerox the map, and write on the xeroxed copy...) Yes, there are tables in the back, but there's nothing like writing it down yourself. Several folk have found this helpful. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

07-08-2004, 07:01 AM	#2
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,694	Tolkien had more than one concept for Amroth. Clear is, that he took up the kingship when in the last aliance the Woodland-king of Lorien died. These King was in the first concept Magdalen and was Amroth and Celeborns father. Thus Celeborn was the rightfull King as long as Amroth didn't return. Amroth return was not completly out of question since none in Middle-Earth had seen him die. In an other concept Amroth was the son of Galadriel and Celeborn. And in a thrid one he was the son of the Woodland King then named Amdír who was unconected to Celeborn (or better only remotly akin). When Amroth went to the south with his beloved Nimrodel, to led her into Valinor he had already left Lórien and searched Nimrodel for some time so that he didn't had a chance to give the kingship over to whom ever. In the cases of concept two and three neither Celeborn nor Galadriel were in Lórien when Amroth left it. They only went their when they heared of Amroth's depature. Respectfully Findegil

07-08-2004, 07:04 AM	#3
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	By various accounts, Amroth was the Silvan king of Lorien or the son of Galadriel and Celeborn. Either way, he was an elf-lord who lived in Lorien. He loved this girl named Nimrodel, but when the Balrog started making trouble a bunch of the elves fled south. Nimrodel fleeing south but was lost in the mountains of Gondor. Amroth made it south and was waiting for her, but a storm drove the ship out of harbor. He tried to swim back to land and Nimrodel, but drowned. Dol Amroth bears his name. One of Nimrodel's handmaids did make it south and married a Numenoren, thus starting the line of the princes of Dol Amroth.

07-08-2004, 09:44 PM	#7
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,559	Ty fingolfin for the brief rundown, I haven't read UT yet and just about to start the Sil. So after the sil I will get to the UT