Which characters out of the books do you wish had fallen in love? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

firncristwen · 03-02-2002, 09:03 AM

I always thought Éowyn was better suited for Aragorn! I love him because he's so grim, thoughtful, noble and brave, but he's also a real man (in all sense of the term). Arwen is likeable but just too ethereal for him, and come on, that whole giving up eternity for their love is a lot of pressure on the guy. Anyway, Éowyn is so cool and they would've made a great couple riding together on their quest...she even had the hots for him...oh well.

But on the other hand that leaves Faramir up for grabs and he belongs to me...at least I knew he was in Éowyn's good hands.

Tolkienites are the craziest people you will meet in your life time... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Lush · 03-02-2002, 11:20 AM

Well, I always thought that Saruman & Sauron would make a nice couple, too bad for the competition that tore them apart. I often wonder if it was Shelob played a role in their eventual falling-out; jealous, perhaps of Sauron's interest in Saruman? Hell hath no fury like a spider scorned!
[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Seriously? I wished that Frodo had been given the chance to fall in love and have a family. That was not in the stars for him, of course. Poor, wounded Hobbit. He deserved happiness in the Shire as much as anyone. Ah me!

Gorin Icearms · 03-02-2002, 11:21 AM

I always thought Aragorn and Eowyn should've gotten together. They were perfect for each other. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-02-2002, 02:11 PM

I suspect that there was room for a sort of S&M relationship between Shelob and Gollum myself, had fate but allowed him to survive.

Airetauriel · 03-02-2002, 02:25 PM

I wanted Treebeard and the ents to get their entwives back!!!!!!! Everyone, quick, look out of your window, just check....they could be anywhere!!

Airetauriel

03-02-2002, 03:13 PM

If I had a choice I would definetly choose Sam to fall in love with, he was so devoted and caring. Or I would have choosen Frodo but he was depressed and wounded and had to leave anyway.

Joy · 03-02-2002, 03:18 PM

The Ents and the Entwives, their story is so sad. I do wish that Frodo would have married. It seems that the RingBearers, execpt for Sam and Isildur, never married. Maybe the Ring had borne too heavily upon their minds.

As for Eowyn and Aragorn. I saw that she was smitten by him, but that the relationship was not to be. It was 'writen in the stars" for Arwen and Aragorn. A love like Lùthien and Beren. I also noted that Arwen's name means Noble Women and Aragorn's name partly means Noble or Kingly. Maybe this was planned.

NotHomeYet · 03-02-2002, 03:26 PM

I would've definitely liked to have seen a nice girl for Frodo, but what about Legolas?! He deserves a pretty Elf-maiden! Hmph. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

03-02-2002, 04:41 PM

i dont see why you people think faramir wasnt the proper choice for eowyn. that was the only "human" love that existed int he book. by human i mean imperfect. aragon and arwen are best for each other because they were both elvish. not to be taken literally. yeah, i think frodo should have found love but his love was probably bound with the undying lands.

Eowyn of Ithilien · 03-02-2002, 04:52 PM

Eowyn didn't love Aragorn-she loved what he represented.
She and Faramir love each other.
I wish Frodo hadn't been alone but there was no real way for him to find love...and I just can't imagine Gandalf with a wife! (abrupt old wizard that he is [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-02-2002, 05:08 PM

*Shudder* Gandalf married? That would be dreadful:
Mrs. Gandalf: 'Olorin! Have you been smoking in the living room again? You know perfectly well that Mother's coming over today! And no galivanting off to the West that's forgotten until she's gone!'
Mithrandir: 'Yes, dear.' Thinks: 'Come back, Sauron. All is forgiven'

It really wouldn't suit him at all.

firncristwen · 03-02-2002, 06:03 PM

Oh my Lord! Did you actually say that Aragorn was an elf? Have you, like, never read any of the books and watched the movie once (with your eyes closed)? *Phoebe shudders*

LOL! LOL! LOL! S&M for Shelob and Gollum. Now that was a good one.

Elven maiden for Legolas, if you can find a brunette *thinks of Arwen and strokes a lock of her chestnut hair*

avarerniliel · 03-02-2002, 08:08 PM

Basically, I only want the ents to have their entwives back. I believe that if a character had fallen in love during the story, it would kind of screw up the plot and ruin the story [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Tigerlily Gamgee · 03-02-2002, 09:51 PM

YES, the Ents need their Entwives!!! It's kinda sad that that issue was not resolved. I, too, wish that Frodo could have fallen in love, the poor guy!
I think that Arwen & Aragorn should be together - an elf and a man, it's the perfect fairytale love story. I thought it was cute that Eowyn married Faramir!
Overall, the amount of love in the story, in my opinion, was perfect. The book wasn't necessarily about that kind of love anyway - it is more about love between friends, and that is the best kind of all!

Rosa Underhill · 03-03-2002, 11:46 PM

For all of you who wish Frodo had found somebody, I recommend
The Jewel of Brandy Hall. It mainly focuses on his daughter, but it does say a bit about his wife. It's the most believable fanfic I've ever read and almost made me cry.

Really, I liked the books as they were. I felt sorry for the Ents, though. If you've ever read "The Prydain Chronicles" you'll understand a bit more, maybe. The loss of the Entwives was another way to take some of the magic out of Middle-earth; with no new Ents, the Ent race will eventually die out. And, by all appearances, that's exactly what happened. *sniffle*

And Legolas did find a maiden of his own but I don't know who she is or where you can find the story. ("The Silmarillion" maybe?)

Eowyn and Aragorn would've been a terrible match. She and Faramir were perfect, I thought. Can't say much about Arwen and Aragorn, though. And Sam and Rose were perfect! The only other person I'd want to see married to Sam is...me! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] (Nah, I wouldn't do that to him; he's been through enough already. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img])

amyrlis · 03-04-2002, 01:51 PM

(Not an LOTR character, but a Sil) I would like to know more about the relationship of Finrod Felagund and his beloved Amarie, who remained in Valinor when he returned to Middle Earth. After his healing in the Halls of Mandos, are they reunited? I've read UT, but none of the HoME, is there anything more on these two in that series?

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 03-04-2002, 08:09 PM

I've seen the link to that "Jewel of Brandy Hall" elsewhere. It's a well written story, if a little far-fetched. I liked it.

As far as the Ent wives, gosh, I'd just settle for an explanation.

I won't say who I'd like to see fall in love, as I've caused enough enough trouble already! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

As far as Faramir and Eowyn, you know, I'd never put her with Aragorn (it'd be war), but I never bought her softening up for anyone. Sure, maybe for a moment, but as soon as they're married (or planning the wedding) no chance she'll replay the feminine nursemaid role once she had a taste of honor and freedom. "We shall make a garden of Ithilien, and the mallorn will be planted there. Any questions?"

Samwise · 03-04-2002, 08:26 PM

Quote:

If I had a choice I would definetly choose Sam to fall in love with, he was so devoted and caring.

Sigh. Me too. I've always had a desire to hug that li'l hobbit. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Quote:

Lord of the Rings
Remember Hobbits?
Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin
Nine walkers on a journey

Copyright 2001 S. Uffelman

03-05-2002, 12:51 AM

sauron and galadriel would make some interesting offspring. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Kalimac · 03-06-2002, 12:21 AM

Poor old Boromir, everyone's forgetting him; but who knows how different things might have been if he had a girlfriend at home to think about as well as the Quest/Ring/Isildur's Bane issue. He might even have let Faramir go to the Council of Elrond instead which probably would have suited both of them better, though of course it would have changed things a lot later on and maybe not for the better (besides he may never have met Eowyn). It seems like Boromir would have been a lot happier - relatively speaking - leading the field against the armies of Mordor and defending his lady than as a member of the Fellowship; his talents were much more for the former than for the latter.

Rosa - I don't usually read fanfic (OK, I NEVER read fanfic) but that story was impressive. The plot was a little out there, but I didn't notice that as I was reading. Maybe it worked mostly because it didn't describe Frodo as having had a "normal" day-to-day relationship like Sam and Rosie have; since after what Frodo's been through it's plain that as nice as the idea would be, he just doesn't have the emotional capability anymore. BTW thank you for saying hello on the other thread [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] - the notes on translation have lots of good names - some of them need to be used.

Rosa Underhill · 03-06-2002, 01:16 AM

Quote:

BTW thank you for saying hello on the other thread - the notes on translation have lots of good names - some of them need to be used.

You are quite welcome, Kalimac! And I agree! (I've seen a Banazir around here, but I don't know where he's gone off to.)

"The Jewel of Brandy Hall" was rather far fetched; I did treat it as kind of an alternative universe thing, but it was amazingly well-written. I especially enjoyed the Frodo's interactions with everyone; it seemed more real than anything else I've ever read aside from LotR itself. I e-mailed the auther to see if she had any more work but she never sent a reply. Oh well. (Truthfully, I wanted to see how well she could write a blind person. Most people just can't do it with any believability at all. For one thing, blindness isn't black! It's just kinda dark, but that fades after a while, so I've heard and partially experienced. But I digress. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img])

Elenglin · 03-07-2002, 10:38 AM

Ents and Entwives, deffinetly.

Or Sam and Frodo? There _must_ be some gay-couples in Middle-earth, there __must__. I was little dissappointed, that Sam got married in the end, with a girl I mean [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

But it was also a bit unfair to left Frodo to be alone. I don't think that he found someone to start a relationship with from the Undying Lands, eh? *silence* I wonder what would a Hobbit-Elf look like? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Amarinth · 03-07-2002, 11:31 AM

yeah, ents and entwives! first time i read the book, i expected when i got to the portion where the ents were out (?) that there would eventually be some mention of them finding the entwives, even in the appendices, but nah no such luck.

agree that arwen and aragorn were suited for each other, since eowyn would have been too short-lived for aragorn. but...imagine if aragorn married eowyn instead, then she died shortly, aragorn then could have married arwen! hmm...

Quote:

arwen and aragorn were best suited for each other because they were both elvish

i must agree with j.wolfe on this...aragorn is descended from elros, elrond's brother, who chose to be joined with the kindred of men. that's why aragorn was reared as a child in the house of elrond, as other of dunedain chiefs, because they had kinship, even far, with elrond. not really related to the falling in love thingy but just wanted to make this clear. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

--------------------------------------------
every man's life is a path to the truth -- hesse

Rosa Underhill · 03-07-2002, 02:08 PM

Eh, it never would've worked out between Sam and Frodo. As my friend so eloquently put it when we were talking about Sam's kids: "He must've been busy (to have that many kids) and it wasn't with Frodo!" Mainecoon also has a good point about the whole issue in her fanfiction Sam Gamgee Woke Up Gay. (Trust me, this one's definately not what it sounds like.)

I don't see why everyone thinks Frodo needed a wife. One can be perfectly happy as a single; I mean, look at Bilbo! (True, he was a bit crazy, but that's not my point!) I'm happy being single and I always pictured Frodo as being the same, once he got to Tol Eressea and received his healing.

Can't really picture a hobbit with an elf...or their kids for that matter...

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 03-07-2002, 03:00 PM

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] What do you mean? Frodo and Sam would make a wonderful couple! Think of the depth of understanding, almost empathic communication, they'd already virtually lived together for 17 years - no arguments about who left the cap off the toothpaste. Domestic arrangements would fall right into place: Sam (as ever) would take of everything. While with Frodo around nothing would ever settle down to tranquil, dull domesticity. Who better to reconnect Frodo to ME than his long-standing companion, and the only person able to understand what he'd been through?

The only trouble would be the difference in education, class distinction, and naturally, what would the neighbors think? Well what would they? People would have to hear of something before they consider the possibility, particularly the typical unimaginative hobbit. "It's a shame that Mr. Frodo never found himself a wife. Always figured that was what went wrong with Mr. Bilbo myself. Too bad. At least he's got 'ol Sam to look after things. Good lad, Sam. Steadying influence on that cracked family." [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Eowyn of Ithilien · 03-08-2002, 01:57 AM

lol I disagree Maril :P Eowyn was hard coz she was unhappy

Glenethor · 03-08-2002, 02:23 AM

Glenethor and Galadriel!

Can you say restraining order, boys and girls?
[img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

I feel for the Ents, and I feel for Frodo and Gandalf. Gandalf, a lonely spirit, 'doomed to be a rolling stone' goes around rallying and saving ME. What thanks does he get? What thanks does he ask? Nothing. He should have some elf-lady to look after him.

Then again....there is the old saying...

AND ON THE 6TH DAY, GOD CREATED MAN AND THEN RESTED. ON THE 7TH DAY, GOD CREATED WOMAN, AND NO ONE HAS RESTED SINCE....

[img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Something like that....

[img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Gorin Icearms · 03-08-2002, 02:49 AM

Kalimac

Quote:

Poor old Boromir, everyone's forgetting him

Yeah but he dies. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Joy · 03-08-2002, 03:06 AM

Found this one one ]Bit of Earth Under Hobbits - Were they or Weren't They.

As for Pippinm Tolkien clearly states that he has a son, Faramir. As for Merry, it doesn't state anything in the appendix.

Quote:

Pippin and (especially) Merry taking forever to get married, not reproducing to speak of, and then finally living their lives out together post-widowhood anyway.

Rosa Underhill · 03-08-2002, 12:22 PM

Don't trust too much of what is written on Bit of Earth. Most of the writers seem to insist on Sam and Frodo being an item, despite some very clear evidence against that.

Kalimac · 03-08-2002, 11:51 PM

Merry and Pippin...hmmm, time for peering at the appendices with a microscope [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Pippin does get married only about six years after Frodo leaves, to Diamond of Long Cleeve, and has a son named Faramir; both of these events are mentioned in the "Later Events Concerning the Fellowship" section in the ROTK appendices. There's no mention there of Merry's marriage nor (obviously) of the births of Merry's children.

But wait, there's more! If you look at the family trees in the post-1954 edition, Merry is listed as having married Estella Bolger - Tolkien added this himself, so presumably it can be taken as canon - he discovered a lost document referring to the marriage, maybe. There are no children listed in the family tree, but if you look back at the "Later Events Concerning..." for the year 1484, when Eomer summons Merry and and Pippin, it says:

"He [Merry] took counsel with his friend the Thain, and soon after they handed over their goods and offices to their sons and rode away over the Sarn Ford, and they were not seen again in the Shire."

Since it says "their sons" there's a pretty clear implication that Merry and Estella Bolger had at least one child, maybe more. Why they're not listed in the family trees is anybody's guess; maybe there was a fire in the library of Brandy Hall which destroyed a lot of later documents concerning the Brandybucks, so information on Merry's descendants was only left in chance references in outside sources. Obviously there would be no way of knowing if it "took forever" for Merry to get married, he was older than Pippin and maybe would have married even sooner. Who knows.

As for Merry and Pippin living together, they were both comparatively young for hobbits and still in their carefree bachelor years, so to speak, still sort of like college roommates; hobbits don't really seem to get married before coming of age. Sam is thirty-nine when he gets married, and Rosie is thirty-four, but there's no implication that this is particularly late. As for them journeying off to Gondor together in the end, presumably their wives were both dead by this point, conveniently for the plot [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] . (Diamond to Pippin: "You're going WHERE?").

[ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Kalimac ]

Joy · 03-09-2002, 12:57 AM

One other note on Merry and Pippin, they were cousins. Nothing wrong in first cousins rooming together.

I forgot about that

Quote:

He [Merry] took counsel with his friend the Thain, and soon after they handed over their goods and offices to their sons and rode away over the Sarn Ford, and they were not seen again in the Shire."

I knew that Merry married Estalla Bolger, but didn't catch the reference to his son. Thanks.

Joy · 03-09-2002, 01:00 AM

Rosa, I did like that link (story) Sam woke up gay. It was so funny.

Pips · 03-09-2002, 01:38 AM

Hehe, I've read that story, very funny.

Keeper of Dol Guldur · 03-09-2002, 10:17 AM

Legolas was a prince, so he probably had women all over him at home. Fathers probably threw their daughters at him. But Boromir, Boromir almost needed to fall in love. He was headstrong and cocky, and needed to calm down just a bit. Had he fallen in love, maybe his mindset would have changed to be not unalike to Aragorn's. Maybe he got lots of women at home thrown at him also, but he never did know what it was like. Then he wouldn't have died and things may have gone better. But alas...

Airedae · 03-09-2002, 09:58 PM

I would love for the Ents and the Entwives to reunite and have some saplings. That way they could live in total happiness and increase the survival of their species. Love those ENTS!!!!!!!

Plus I agree with someone that said it that they wished Frodo could of fell in love with someone and had a family. I really wish he could of had those things. Frodo lost so much and deserved so much. I'm sure he loved his adventures with Bibo but still I'm sure their might of been somewhat of a longing for love and a family of his own. Especially after Sam married and had his own children. *sigh* how sad that makes me for Frodo. Frodo was such a great character and I followed him with my heart everywhere...

[ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Airedae ]

dragongirlG · 03-10-2002, 09:39 PM

I'd like the Ents and Entwives to have some Entings...the Entwives disappearing is so sad [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

03-12-2002, 05:42 PM

I agree with everyone who wanted Frodo to have someone. I was really glad that Sam at least was happy. Poor Frodo really needs someone to take care of him and as there's no reference that any hobbits live in the undying lands that wouldn't be possible. But then again the Silmarillion didn't even mention the hobbits at all.
As for Aragorn and Eowyn, she annoyed the hell out of me with her death wish. Faramir's the best guy for her since he's the kind sesitive type and would probably get her to calm down when she's crazy.
Was anyone else as devastated as I was at the end when Frodo goes of to the havens? I wish someone could tell me he was happy. It's a shame Tolkien didn't elaborate a little more on that. Oh well...I miss Frodo as much as Sam would.
By the way, Gandalf is a maia so he'd be better of with a maia wife in Valinor, which no doubt he got!

Airedae · 03-17-2002, 09:51 PM

i have a question that i want to ask since i read the last post. there was no mention of what became of frodo after he left. is there anywhere else that mentions what happened after he departed with the other ring bearers? That has always bothered me that in the appendix they didnt mention frodo after he left. It used to really bother me but now ive sort of gotten over it. i still wonder though because how could jrr tolkien leave out frodo when he was the one who saved middle earth. even if gollum fell in, frodo still saved everyone i felt. him and sam. sam got pages as did merry and pippin. just always wondered why frodo was left out. if theirs a mention of it somewhere else i'd appreciate knowing....cause i think its sad that he was somewhat left out. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Rosa Underhill · 03-18-2002, 12:52 PM

Actually, there is mention of Frodo (and Sam, though not by name) in "The Silmarilion". It's in the very last five pages where there is mention of the war of the Ring.

In his letters, Tolkien said that Frodo was healed on Tol Eressea (as much as he could be) and likely lived out his natural life span and died. So did Bilbo, Sam and Gimli. (None of them ever went to all the way to the Undying Lands of Valinor, they apparently weren't allowed, but don't feel bad, I think they took the shortcut to Illuvitar.)

And why would Gandalf need a wife? He's Tolkien's equivalent to a low ranking angel and angles are genderless and don't need to be married. Just my musings, ignore me on this if you like.

And Eowyn needed Faramir, says I. She needs someone to calm her down.

03-02-2002, 09:03 AM	#1
firncristwen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The light-swept paths of imagination Posts: 15	Which characters out of the books do you wish had fallen in love? I always thought Éowyn was better suited for Aragorn! I love him because he's so grim, thoughtful, noble and brave, but he's also a real man (in all sense of the term). Arwen is likeable but just too ethereal for him, and come on, that whole giving up eternity for their love is a lot of pressure on the guy. Anyway, Éowyn is so cool and they would've made a great couple riding together on their quest...she even had the hots for him...oh well. But on the other hand that leaves Faramir up for grabs and he belongs to me...at least I knew he was in Éowyn's good hands. Tolkienites are the craziest people you will meet in your life time... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ 'For many life is only the border of a terrible dream; shall we pass, I wonder?' ...from "Quest in the Blue"

03-02-2002, 11:20 AM	#2
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,783	Well, I always thought that Saruman & Sauron would make a nice couple, too bad for the competition that tore them apart. I often wonder if it was Shelob played a role in their eventual falling-out; jealous, perhaps of Sauron's interest in Saruman? Hell hath no fury like a spider scorned! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Seriously? I wished that Frodo had been given the chance to fall in love and have a family. That was not in the stars for him, of course. Poor, wounded Hobbit. He deserved happiness in the Shire as much as anyone. Ah me! __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

03-02-2002, 11:21 AM	#3
Gorin Icearms Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 67	I always thought Aragorn and Eowyn should've gotten together. They were perfect for each other. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ The Moon is Rising! Oh hey, I'm a wight now. WORSHIP ME IN ALL MY WIGHTNESS!!! MUAHAHAHA!!

03-02-2002, 02:11 PM	#4
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,184	I suspect that there was room for a sort of S&M relationship between Shelob and Gollum myself, had fate but allowed him to survive. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

03-02-2002, 03:18 PM	#7
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,014	The Ents and the Entwives, their story is so sad. I do wish that Frodo would have married. It seems that the RingBearers, execpt for Sam and Isildur, never married. Maybe the Ring had borne too heavily upon their minds. As for Eowyn and Aragorn. I saw that she was smitten by him, but that the relationship was not to be. It was 'writen in the stars" for Arwen and Aragorn. A love like Lùthien and Beren. I also noted that Arwen's name means Noble Women and Aragorn's name partly means Noble or Kingly. Maybe this was planned. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-02-2002, 02:25 PM	#5
Airetauriel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 47	I wanted Treebeard and the ents to get their entwives back!!!!!!! Everyone, quick, look out of your window, just check....they could be anywhere!! Airetauriel

03-02-2002, 03:13 PM	#6
justahijustabye Guest Posts: n/a	If I had a choice I would definetly choose Sam to fall in love with, he was so devoted and caring. Or I would have choosen Frodo but he was depressed and wounded and had to leave anyway.

03-02-2002, 03:26 PM	#8
NotHomeYet Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 13	I would've definitely liked to have seen a nice girl for Frodo, but what about Legolas?! He deserves a pretty Elf-maiden! Hmph. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ The signs are obvious They are everywhere All that we hear about Is the gloom and despair Too many would be prophets Saying it's the end of it all 'Cause Mother Earth can't take much more The skies are gonna fall So nature has its needs That's a lesson learned But it appears to me There are greater concerns 'Cause we can save the planet Thinking we will somehow survive But Father Time is calling us To save somebody's life So I won't bend and I won't break I won't water down my faith I won't compromise in a world of desperation What has been, I cannot change For tomorrow and today I must be a light to future generations --- 4HIM

03-02-2002, 04:41 PM	#9
J.Wolfe Guest Posts: n/a	i dont see why you people think faramir wasnt the proper choice for eowyn. that was the only "human" love that existed int he book. by human i mean imperfect. aragon and arwen are best for each other because they were both elvish. not to be taken literally. yeah, i think frodo should have found love but his love was probably bound with the undying lands.

03-02-2002, 04:52 PM	#10
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	Eowyn didn't love Aragorn-she loved what he represented. She and Faramir love each other. I wish Frodo hadn't been alone but there was no real way for him to find love...and I just can't imagine Gandalf with a wife! (abrupt old wizard that he is [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

03-02-2002, 05:08 PM	#11
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,184	Shudder Gandalf married? That would be dreadful: Mrs. Gandalf: 'Olorin! Have you been smoking in the living room again? You know perfectly well that Mother's coming over today! And no galivanting off to the West that's forgotten until she's gone!' Mithrandir: 'Yes, dear.' Thinks: 'Come back, Sauron. All is forgiven' It really wouldn't suit him at all. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

03-02-2002, 06:03 PM	#12
firncristwen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The light-swept paths of imagination Posts: 15	Oh my Lord! Did you actually say that Aragorn was an elf? Have you, like, never read any of the books and watched the movie once (with your eyes closed)? Phoebe shudders LOL! LOL! LOL! S&M for Shelob and Gollum. Now that was a good one. Elven maiden for Legolas, if you can find a brunette thinks of Arwen and strokes a lock of her chestnut hair __________________ 'For many life is only the border of a terrible dream; shall we pass, I wonder?' ...from "Quest in the Blue"

03-02-2002, 08:08 PM	#13
avarerniliel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In front of the moniter... Posts: 58	Basically, I only want the ents to have their entwives back. I believe that if a character had fallen in love during the story, it would kind of screw up the plot and ruin the story [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

03-02-2002, 09:51 PM	#14
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,056	YES, the Ents need their Entwives!!! It's kinda sad that that issue was not resolved. I, too, wish that Frodo could have fallen in love, the poor guy! I think that Arwen & Aragorn should be together - an elf and a man, it's the perfect fairytale love story. I thought it was cute that Eowyn married Faramir! Overall, the amount of love in the story, in my opinion, was perfect. The book wasn't necessarily about that kind of love anyway - it is more about love between friends, and that is the best kind of all! __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

03-03-2002, 11:46 PM	#15
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	For all of you who wish Frodo had found somebody, I recommend The Jewel of Brandy Hall. It mainly focuses on his daughter, but it does say a bit about his wife. It's the most believable fanfic I've ever read and almost made me cry. Really, I liked the books as they were. I felt sorry for the Ents, though. If you've ever read "The Prydain Chronicles" you'll understand a bit more, maybe. The loss of the Entwives was another way to take some of the magic out of Middle-earth; with no new Ents, the Ent race will eventually die out. And, by all appearances, that's exactly what happened. sniffle And Legolas did find a maiden of his own but I don't know who she is or where you can find the story. ("The Silmarillion" maybe?) Eowyn and Aragorn would've been a terrible match. She and Faramir were perfect, I thought. Can't say much about Arwen and Aragorn, though. And Sam and Rose were perfect! The only other person I'd want to see married to Sam is...me! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] (Nah, I wouldn't do that to him; he's been through enough already. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]) __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

03-04-2002, 01:51 PM	#16
amyrlis Wight Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Helcaraxe Posts: 210	(Not an LOTR character, but a Sil) I would like to know more about the relationship of Finrod Felagund and his beloved Amarie, who remained in Valinor when he returned to Middle Earth. After his healing in the Halls of Mandos, are they reunited? I've read UT, but none of the HoME, is there anything more on these two in that series? __________________ "Pull the blinders from my eyes, let me see these endless skies And drown here where I stand in the beauty of the land."

03-04-2002, 08:09 PM	#17
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	I've seen the link to that "Jewel of Brandy Hall" elsewhere. It's a well written story, if a little far-fetched. I liked it. As far as the Ent wives, gosh, I'd just settle for an explanation. I won't say who I'd like to see fall in love, as I've caused enough enough trouble already! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] As far as Faramir and Eowyn, you know, I'd never put her with Aragorn (it'd be war), but I never bought her softening up for anyone. Sure, maybe for a moment, but as soon as they're married (or planning the wedding) no chance she'll replay the feminine nursemaid role once she had a taste of honor and freedom. "We shall make a garden of Ithilien, and the mallorn will be planted *there.* Any questions?" __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

03-05-2002, 12:51 AM	#19
Morgoth of Angband Guest Posts: n/a	sauron and galadriel would make some interesting offspring. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

03-06-2002, 12:21 AM	#20
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Poor old Boromir, everyone's forgetting him; but who knows how different things might have been if he had a girlfriend at home to think about as well as the Quest/Ring/Isildur's Bane issue. He might even have let Faramir go to the Council of Elrond instead which probably would have suited both of them better, though of course it would have changed things a lot later on and maybe not for the better (besides he may never have met Eowyn). It seems like Boromir would have been a lot happier - relatively speaking - leading the field against the armies of Mordor and defending his lady than as a member of the Fellowship; his talents were much more for the former than for the latter. Rosa - I don't usually read fanfic (OK, I NEVER read fanfic) but that story was impressive. The plot was a little out there, but I didn't notice that as I was reading. Maybe it worked mostly because it didn't describe Frodo as having had a "normal" day-to-day relationship like Sam and Rosie have; since after what Frodo's been through it's plain that as nice as the idea would be, he just doesn't have the emotional capability anymore. BTW thank you for saying hello on the other thread [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] - the notes on translation have lots of good names - some of them need to be used. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

03-07-2002, 10:38 AM	#22
Elenglin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 24	Ents and Entwives, deffinetly. Or Sam and Frodo? There _must_ be some gay-couples in Middle-earth, there __must__. I was little dissappointed, that Sam got married in the end, with a girl I mean [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] But it was also a bit unfair to left Frodo to be alone. I don't think that he found someone to start a relationship with from the Undying Lands, eh? silence I wonder what would a Hobbit-Elf look like? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ "Sinun pelloillasi on jättiläinen, suunnattoman suuri jättiläinen, ja hän on tulossa tähän suuntaan", koira sanoi. "Apua! Apua! Hän talloo jalkoihinsa sinun lampaasi. Hän on astunut Galathea-raukan päälle, ja se on lituskainen kuin kynnysmatto. Apua! Apua! Hän ruhjoo kaikki sinun pensasaitasi ja hän survoo kaiken viljasi. Sinun täytyy toimia rohkeasti ja nopeasti, isäntä, tai kohta sinulla ei ole mitään jäljellä! Apua!" Garm puhkesi ulvomaan.

03-07-2002, 02:08 PM	#24
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Eh, it never would've worked out between Sam and Frodo. As my friend so eloquently put it when we were talking about Sam's kids: "He must've been busy (to have that many kids) and it wasn't with Frodo!" Mainecoon also has a good point about the whole issue in her fanfiction Sam Gamgee Woke Up Gay. (Trust me, this one's definately not what it sounds like.) I don't see why everyone thinks Frodo needed a wife. One can be perfectly happy as a single; I mean, look at Bilbo! (True, he was a bit crazy, but that's not my point!) I'm happy being single and I always pictured Frodo as being the same, once he got to Tol Eressea and received his healing. Can't really picture a hobbit with an elf...or their kids for that matter... __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

03-07-2002, 03:00 PM	#25
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] What do you mean? Frodo and Sam would make a wonderful couple! Think of the depth of understanding, almost empathic communication, they'd already virtually lived together for 17 years - no arguments about who left the cap off the toothpaste. Domestic arrangements would fall right into place: Sam (as ever) would take of everything. While with Frodo around nothing would ever settle down to tranquil, dull domesticity. Who better to reconnect Frodo to ME than his long-standing companion, and the only person able to understand what he'd been through? The only trouble would be the difference in education, class distinction, and naturally, what would the neighbors think? Well what would they? People would have to hear of something before they consider the possibility, particularly the typical unimaginative hobbit. "It's a shame that Mr. Frodo never found himself a wife. Always figured that was what went wrong with Mr. Bilbo myself. Too bad. At least he's got 'ol Sam to look after things. Good lad, Sam. Steadying influence on that cracked family." [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

03-08-2002, 01:57 AM	#26
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	lol I disagree Maril :P Eowyn was hard coz she was unhappy __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

03-08-2002, 02:23 AM	#27
Glenethor Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow Posts: 176	Glenethor and Galadriel! Can you say restraining order, boys and girls? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] I feel for the Ents, and I feel for Frodo and Gandalf. Gandalf, a lonely spirit, 'doomed to be a rolling stone' goes around rallying and saving ME. What thanks does he get? What thanks does he ask? Nothing. He should have some elf-lady to look after him. Then again....there is the old saying... AND ON THE 6TH DAY, GOD CREATED MAN AND THEN RESTED. ON THE 7TH DAY, GOD CREATED WOMAN, AND NO ONE HAS RESTED SINCE.... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Something like that.... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ "Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people, living life in peace..." Dr. Winston O'Boogie

03-08-2002, 12:22 PM	#30
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Don't trust too much of what is written on Bit of Earth. Most of the writers seem to insist on Sam and Frodo being an item, despite some very clear evidence against that. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

03-08-2002, 11:51 PM	#31
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Merry and Pippin...hmmm, time for peering at the appendices with a microscope [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Pippin does get married only about six years after Frodo leaves, to Diamond of Long Cleeve, and has a son named Faramir; both of these events are mentioned in the "Later Events Concerning the Fellowship" section in the ROTK appendices. There's no mention there of Merry's marriage nor (obviously) of the births of Merry's children. But wait, there's more! If you look at the family trees in the post-1954 edition, Merry is listed as having married Estella Bolger - Tolkien added this himself, so presumably it can be taken as canon - he discovered a lost document referring to the marriage, maybe. There are no children listed in the family tree, but if you look back at the "Later Events Concerning..." for the year 1484, when Eomer summons Merry and and Pippin, it says: "He [Merry] took counsel with his friend the Thain, and soon after they handed over their goods and offices to their sons and rode away over the Sarn Ford, and they were not seen again in the Shire." Since it says "their sons" there's a pretty clear implication that Merry and Estella Bolger had at least one child, maybe more. Why they're not listed in the family trees is anybody's guess; maybe there was a fire in the library of Brandy Hall which destroyed a lot of later documents concerning the Brandybucks, so information on Merry's descendants was only left in chance references in outside sources. Obviously there would be no way of knowing if it "took forever" for Merry to get married, he was older than Pippin and maybe would have married even sooner. Who knows. As for Merry and Pippin living together, they were both comparatively young for hobbits and still in their carefree bachelor years, so to speak, still sort of like college roommates; hobbits don't really seem to get married before coming of age. Sam is thirty-nine when he gets married, and Rosie is thirty-four, but there's no implication that this is particularly late. As for them journeying off to Gondor together in the end, presumably their wives were both dead by this point, conveniently for the plot [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] . (Diamond to Pippin: "You're going WHERE?"). [ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Kalimac ] __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

03-09-2002, 01:00 AM	#33
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,014	Rosa, I did like that link (story) Sam woke up gay. It was so funny. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-09-2002, 01:38 AM	#34
Pips Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brandyhall, Texas Posts: 67	Hehe, I've read that story, very funny.

03-09-2002, 10:17 AM	#35
Keeper of Dol Guldur Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 315, CNY Boys and girls. Posts: 405	Legolas was a prince, so he probably had women all over him at home. Fathers probably threw their daughters at him. But Boromir, Boromir almost needed to fall in love. He was headstrong and cocky, and needed to calm down just a bit. Had he fallen in love, maybe his mindset would have changed to be not unalike to Aragorn's. Maybe he got lots of women at home thrown at him also, but he never did know what it was like. Then he wouldn't have died and things may have gone better. But alas... __________________ "I come from yonder...Have you seen Baggins? Baggins has left, he is coming. He is not far away. I wish to find him. If he passes will you tell me? I will come back with gold." - Khamul the Easterling

03-09-2002, 09:58 PM	#36
Airedae Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Fangorn Forest Posts: 21	I would love for the Ents and the Entwives to reunite and have some saplings. That way they could live in total happiness and increase the survival of their species. Love those ENTS!!!!!!! Plus I agree with someone that said it that they wished Frodo could of fell in love with someone and had a family. I really wish he could of had those things. Frodo lost so much and deserved so much. I'm sure he loved his adventures with Bibo but still I'm sure their might of been somewhat of a longing for love and a family of his own. Especially after Sam married and had his own children. sigh how sad that makes me for Frodo. Frodo was such a great character and I followed him with my heart everywhere... [ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Airedae ] __________________ Frodo Lives! ~Valerie~

03-10-2002, 09:39 PM	#37
dragongirlG Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stock, the Shire Posts: 151	I'd like the Ents and Entwives to have some Entings...the Entwives disappearing is so sad [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

03-12-2002, 05:42 PM	#38
Mithlach Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with everyone who wanted Frodo to have someone. I was really glad that Sam at least was happy. Poor Frodo really needs someone to take care of him and as there's no reference that any hobbits live in the undying lands that wouldn't be possible. But then again the Silmarillion didn't even mention the hobbits at all. As for Aragorn and Eowyn, she annoyed the hell out of me with her death wish. Faramir's the best guy for her since he's the kind sesitive type and would probably get her to calm down when she's crazy. Was anyone else as devastated as I was at the end when Frodo goes of to the havens? I wish someone could tell me he was happy. It's a shame Tolkien didn't elaborate a little more on that. Oh well...I miss Frodo as much as Sam would. By the way, Gandalf is a maia so he'd be better of with a maia wife in Valinor, which no doubt he got!

03-17-2002, 09:51 PM	#39
Airedae Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Fangorn Forest Posts: 21	i have a question that i want to ask since i read the last post. there was no mention of what became of frodo after he left. is there anywhere else that mentions what happened after he departed with the other ring bearers? That has always bothered me that in the appendix they didnt mention frodo after he left. It used to really bother me but now ive sort of gotten over it. i still wonder though because how could jrr tolkien leave out frodo when he was the one who saved middle earth. even if gollum fell in, frodo still saved everyone i felt. him and sam. sam got pages as did merry and pippin. just always wondered why frodo was left out. if theirs a mention of it somewhere else i'd appreciate knowing....cause i think its sad that he was somewhat left out. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ Frodo Lives! ~Valerie~

03-18-2002, 12:52 PM	#40
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	Actually, there is mention of Frodo (and Sam, though not by name) in "The Silmarilion". It's in the very last five pages where there is mention of the war of the Ring. In his letters, Tolkien said that Frodo was healed on Tol Eressea (as much as he could be) and likely lived out his natural life span and died. So did Bilbo, Sam and Gimli. (None of them ever went to all the way to the Undying Lands of Valinor, they apparently weren't allowed, but don't feel bad, I think they took the shortcut to Illuvitar.) And why would Gandalf need a wife? He's Tolkien's equivalent to a low ranking angel and angles are genderless and don't need to be married. Just my musings, ignore me on this if you like. And Eowyn needed Faramir, says I. She needs someone to calm her down. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)