The North--Rohan and Wainriders - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Dain · 03-06-2003, 06:55 PM

I have been wondering a bit about where the Rohirrim came from. Yes, yes, the North, I know, and the "Vales of Andiun." But that doesn't seem like a good place for horse-lords to come from, and they were horse-lords before riding south, I assume. There doesn't seem to be much room on the west side of Green/Mirkwood for them. Discussing the East side raises questions about the age of the Kingdom of Dale and all that. Does anybody have any firmer picture of where Eorl lived before he brought his people to Rohan?

And a short bit about the Wainriders: doesn't that mean "wagon-riders"? I admit, it's always sounded like a good name for what I picture as the ME equivalent of the Mongols, but then I wondered about it, and...wagons? Ah, my dictionary says it could also mean a chariot, which was a popular convayance of war in the olden days. I'm satisfied now. But not about the Rohirrim... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Pukel-Man · 03-06-2003, 08:56 PM

You're right about the "wainriders'- in UT they are reffered to as war-chariots and cavalry, so I guess it's a general term used to describe mounted warriors(of the enemy). Also in UT it describes the northmen as those who formerly dwelt in the "wide plains between Mirkwood and The River Running, great breeders of horses and riders renowned for their skill and endurance,.."

[ March 06, 2003: Message edited by: Pukel-Man ]

Thingol1000 · 03-07-2003, 06:01 AM

In the TTT, Aragorn briefs Legolas and Gimli as they wait for the riders to come upon them while tracking/chasing the orcs. Anyway, he says they are kin to the people of Dale I beleive. I'll go back and check this to make sure, but he does refere to their origens in a general way. Look in that chapter to make sure.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-07-2003, 06:26 AM

They were descended from the Marachian tribes who either remained in Rhovanion or Eridaor during the great march.
In the S.A, they formed a alliance with the Longbeard dwarves, of Moria, and they populated Rhovanion and I believe the Eastern Bight, until driven out by the Wainriders.

They came to the rescue of Gondor in T.A 2510, at the Battle of Celebrant. They are akin ot the woodmen of Mirkwood, who we here of in the 'Disaster of the Gladden fields' and 'the Hobbit' and the Men of Dale.

Burzdol · 03-07-2003, 12:41 PM

I thought they were desendands of the Men of Gale!?!?

~Burzdol~

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-07-2003, 01:14 PM

They are related.

Edit: Gale is a typo for Dale isn't it?

[ March 07, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

03-06-2003, 06:55 PM	#1
Dain Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Iron Hills Posts: 127	The North--Rohan and Wainriders I have been wondering a bit about where the Rohirrim came from. Yes, yes, the North, I know, and the "Vales of Andiun." But that doesn't seem like a good place for horse-lords to come from, and they were horse-lords before riding south, I assume. There doesn't seem to be much room on the west side of Green/Mirkwood for them. Discussing the East side raises questions about the age of the Kingdom of Dale and all that. Does anybody have any firmer picture of where Eorl lived before he brought his people to Rohan? And a short bit about the Wainriders: doesn't that mean "wagon-riders"? I admit, it's always sounded like a good name for what I picture as the ME equivalent of the Mongols, but then I wondered about it, and...wagons? Ah, my dictionary says it could also mean a chariot, which was a popular convayance of war in the olden days. I'm satisfied now. But not about the Rohirrim... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin's Bane.

03-06-2003, 08:56 PM	#2
Pukel-Man Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona, -East of Dunharrow Posts: 54	You're right about the "wainriders'- in UT they are reffered to as war-chariots and cavalry, so I guess it's a general term used to describe mounted warriors(of the enemy). Also in UT it describes the northmen as those who formerly dwelt in the "wide plains between Mirkwood and The River Running, great breeders of horses and riders renowned for their skill and endurance,.." [ March 06, 2003: Message edited by: Pukel-Man ] __________________ This is not the time or the place to perform some kind of a half-assed autopsy on a fish... And I'm not going to stand here and see that thing cut open and see that little Kintner boy spill out all over the dock!-Mayor Vaughn

03-07-2003, 06:26 AM	#4
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	They were descended from the Marachian tribes who either remained in Rhovanion or Eridaor during the great march. In the S.A, they formed a alliance with the Longbeard dwarves, of Moria, and they populated Rhovanion and I believe the Eastern Bight, until driven out by the Wainriders. They came to the rescue of Gondor in T.A 2510, at the Battle of Celebrant. They are akin ot the woodmen of Mirkwood, who we here of in the 'Disaster of the Gladden fields' and 'the Hobbit' and the Men of Dale. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-07-2003, 12:41 PM	#5
Burzdol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Fair City of Rivendell Posts: 276	I thought they were desendands of the Men of Gale!?!? ~Burzdol~ __________________ "Kill them all for all I care. You just keep that bow away from me!"

03-07-2003, 01:14 PM	#6
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	They are related. Edit: Gale is a typo for Dale isn't it? [ March 07, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ] __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-07-2003, 06:01 AM	#3
Thingol1000 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 37	In the TTT, Aragorn briefs Legolas and Gimli as they wait for the riders to come upon them while tracking/chasing the orcs. Anyway, he says they are kin to the people of Dale I beleive. I'll go back and check this to make sure, but he does refere to their origens in a general way. Look in that chapter to make sure.