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Eldar14 · 06-23-2001, 04:34 PM

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In the Sil, I found the 3 quotes, that, when all viewed at the same time seems to make a contridiction. the first is <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "And when Melkor saw that these lies were smouldering, and that pride and anger were awake among the Noldor, he spoe to them concerning weapons; and in that time the Noldor began the smithying of swords and axes and spears."<hr></blockquote> I interpret this quote as to say that Melkor taught the Noldor how to make weapons, and what exactly what weapons were. It seems as if the Noldor knew nothing of weapons before this. The second quote is <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "And he had never lent ear to Morgoth, nor welcomed him to his land"<hr></blockquote> This quote is about Olwe, lord of the Teleri. The third quote is <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Then swords were drawn, and a bitter fight was fought upon the ship"<hr></blockquote> This last quote is about when the Teleri and the Noldor fought eachother over the Teleri's ships. However, the idea that the elves didn't know about swords until Melkor told them, and how the Teleri never allowed Melkor into their land, would prevent the Teleri from having swords. But, if the Teleri didn't have swords, how did they draw swords?

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06-23-2001, 04:34 PM	#1
Eldar14 Wight Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: the Cottage of Lost Play Posts: 182	But how did they know about swords? <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 36</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> In the Sil, I found the 3 quotes, that, when all viewed at the same time seems to make a contridiction. the first is <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> "And when Melkor saw that these lies were smouldering, and that pride and anger were awake among the Noldor, he spoe to them concerning weapons; and in that time the Noldor began the smithying of swords and axes and spears."<hr></blockquote> I interpret this quote as to say that Melkor taught the Noldor how to make weapons, and what exactly what weapons were. It seems as if the Noldor knew nothing of weapons before this. The second quote is <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "And he had never lent ear to Morgoth, nor welcomed him to his land"<hr></blockquote> This quote is about Olwe, lord of the Teleri. The third quote is <blockquote>Quote:*<hr> "Then swords were drawn, and a bitter fight was fought upon the ship"<hr></blockquote> This last quote is about when the Teleri and the Noldor fought eachother over the Teleri's ships. However, the idea that the elves didn't know about swords until Melkor told them, and how the Teleri never allowed Melkor into their land, would prevent the Teleri from having swords. But, if the Teleri didn't have swords, how did they draw swords? </p> __________________ "Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!" -- Fëanor to the Noldor