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Old 09-22-2017, 12:37 AM   #1
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Evil men in Mandos

So when men die in Arda they go a separate hall than they elves and are basically processed and leave quickly going beyond the world. I'm curious what would happen in Mandos to evil men or men with evil cultures such as Melkor worship basically an easterling. Do they receive any sort of judgement? Or do the Valar simply pass men in and out of their doors without examining their moral and spiritual situation as they do elves?
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I could be wrong, but I don't think there's anything about judgement in the Halls of Mandos. In any event, I don't think it was the role of the Valar to judge them.

It's worth remembering that Arda is meant to be the real world, and therefore by Professor Tolkien's own theological standards pre-salvation (which would not occur until the time of Christ). As such, what happens to one's soul after death is, in that mythical time, not determined, at least as far as I understand it.

I think it is all in the hands of Eru. Of course, I could have overlooked something.
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It's worth remembering that Arda is meant to be the real world, and therefore by Professor Tolkien's own theological standards pre-salvation (which would not occur until the time of Christ). As such, what happens to one's soul after death is, in that mythical time, not determined, at least as far as I understand it.
The Doom of Men as presented in The Silmarillion indeed is a total mystery to the Children of Ilűvatar, but there are hints that the Valar do know. Certainly Manwë and Mandos would, but they aren't talking.

Perhaps the evil Men were subject to endless torment in the form of mental images of Gandalf 'uncloaking'.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think there's anything about judgement in the Halls of Mandos. In any event, I don't think it was the role of the Valar to judge them.
The best glimpse of the fate of Men's spirits seems to be in The Silmarillion, dealing with Beren after his death.

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For the spirit of Beren at [Lúthien's] bidding tarried in the halls of Mandos, unwilling to leave the world, until Lúthien came to say her last farewell upon the shores of the Outer Sea, whence Men that die set out never to return.
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But Mandos had no power to withhold the spirits of Men that were dead within the confines of the world, after their time of waiting; nor could he change the fates of the Children of Ilúvatar.
From that, it looks like Men just wait for a time in Mandos until they leave Arda. What they wait for is unknown. An opportunity to reflect on their life? Do they lose all memory then when they leave forever? No way to know. But at any rate there's no mention of any manner of judgement at Mandos; and, as Zigűr said, I wouldn't think it was the place of the Valar, as fellow created beings of Ilúvatar, to have done so.
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