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Old 10-06-2002, 06:32 PM   #1
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Sting What was the saddest?

Forgive me if this is in the wrong topic-room, but I wanted to get some veteran's opinions on this and I was afraid people of that sort don't go into novices and newcomers. Anywho..
What was the saddest part of Lord of the Rings to you? I know it a broad topic, but I wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on this. For me, it was the end, with the Elves leaving Middle-Earth and Frodo and Bilbo and Gandalf too. Also, the Tale of Arwen and Aragorn really got to me. Thanks for reading!
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Old 10-06-2002, 07:01 PM   #2
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There are many sad parts for me.
The one that affecting me the most while reading, and I really cried, was the chapter "The Choices of Master Samwise". The words that Sam utters when he thinks Frodo is dead and the heartwrenching choice he had to make is enough for anyone to cry.

Others parts worth noting on my part are:
~When I thought that Pippin had died (there was a huge knot in my stomach)
~When Theoden died and Eowyn was seriously injured (though I thought she was dead at first too)
~In the appendixes: the story of Aragorn and Arwen and when it tells of Merry and Pippin's deaths.

I think that it is terrible to read about people dying who have devoted their lives to so much (even if they are ficitional). Every character in the book made huge sacrifices.
I did not cry when the characters went to the Grey Havens. I did not fully understand where they were going. A friend told me that it was a metaphor for death... but after doing some more reading I was relieved to find out that they did not die (not then at least) and it made the ending a little less sad for me (yet still sad because of Frodo's pain).

(Wow, how many times can I say "sad" in one post!)

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Old 10-06-2002, 07:42 PM   #3
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For me it's a toss-up.

On one hand there is Galadriel's song as the Nine depart down the Anduin. It wasn't sad to me the first time I read because I didn't understand, but each time it is more so because she expresses the grief of never being able to go home again because of her banishment along with all the rest of the Noldor.

On the other hand, and this one I have to admit is the most sad to me, is that moment when Smeagol watches Sam and Frodo sleeping peacefully beneath the stairs of Cirith Ungol, has just come back from Shelob, and his eyes soften and he almost - almost feels a love and affection for Frodo. Then Sam wakes and shoo's him off, and the moment passes, and Smeagol's last chance at heart-change is gone. The first few times I read that I wanted to yell at Sam. In my later readings it's just sad, because I see that there was never really any chance for it to be different because Sam is who Sam is, and Gollum is who Gollum is. It's just very sad.
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Old 10-06-2002, 09:56 PM   #4
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Good ones, lmp and Tigerlily! (btw, good topic, Luinëcolloien, and welcome to the Downs!

I agree with Tigerlily on the scenes where Frodo sails away to the Grey Havens and when Aragorn dies, but my sadness was more for Sam and Arwen, feeling their pain as they are left behind. And yeah, lmp, I have always had a soft spot in my heart for Smeagol: the poor hapless sap who chanced upon the Ring with his friend Deagol, and I got the impression that watching Sam and Frodo sleep was a moment of memory for Smeagol of the friend that he killed for a Thing that took over his life from that time forward.

But I have to say that my Number One tearjerker in reading the books was the whole set of scenes on the side of Mt. Doom. Here, you have two guys who think that all of their friends are dead. Frodo carries the weight of the world on his shoulders and Sam just keeps saying cheerful things to help buoy him up, and at times even resorts to carrying his friend, himself. Then, they finally complete their task and they are standing there, on a small rock, surrounded by a sea of hot lava, just clinging to each other and waiting for the end to come, together. It was both sad and beautiful at the same time.
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I think the most touching part was when sam thought frodo was dead. I cried and cried and cried even though I knew Frodo wasnt dead. It's just so wonderful how selfless Sam is. I still cry at that part, in fact I'm crying now [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
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Aww...I agree. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] I think it's the saddest part when Sam finds Frodo and thinks he's dead. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 10-07-2002, 01:05 PM   #7
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I dont know about you, but Treebreard's account of the Ents and the Entwives was incredably touching and sad. To think that all of the Entwives are gone and there will never again be Ent children. The Entwives loved their gardens more than their fellow Ents. How sad to know that you and your were forsaken because of a garden! It tears at my heart each time I read this section, especially when Treebeard asks the Hobbits to send word if they find any Entwives in their land.
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The part when mho leaves the forum...
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Old 10-07-2002, 01:50 PM   #9
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I think the saddest part was either when Frodo leaves Middle Earth or Eowyn's hopelessness.

I especially think it was Eowyn's hopelessness. I don't think many can relate to her situation - being so miserable, so disappointed, that a painful death in battle becomes preferable to living. At least, I hope none of you can relate. I cry every time I read about it.
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Old 10-07-2002, 02:13 PM   #10
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There is one sentence in the Hobbit when I thought Frodo very sad. It is when Sam sees yet hope and Frodo doesn't. Sam asks if Frodo remembered Faramir and the woods of Ithilien. Frodo answers something like: 'No, I'm afraid I don't, Sam, nothing beyond this darkness.'
That was quite sad to me...

Another sad part, besides the ones already told, is when Sam comes to Hobbiton and Bywater and sees al the trees cut or just lying dead.

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Old 10-07-2002, 03:22 PM   #11
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I have mentioned this in some other thread, but I will mention it once again for those who had missed it.
The saddest part in The lord of the Rings for me was when Samwise rescues Frodo from the tower (forgive me, I am horrible at remembering names of places, although this is an easy one) in the shadows of Mt. Doom.
That was the only part of the book that I litterally cried in.
Before that, your heart breaks to peices when you find out that Frodo was not actually killed by Shelob, but is alive and captured by Orcs. You see then that Samwise longs for his fellow compainion and scones his own stupidity for not seeing the realization that Frodo is alive.
Then you are filled with bravery for Samwise when he takes on a heroic role and speeds after Frodo to save the day. After that, your heart is bursting with sadness when Samwise finds Frodo curled up, naked, on a pile of dirty rags.

That was how I felt at that momment....
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Old 10-07-2002, 06:21 PM   #12
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I think that the whole last chapter is the saddest. Frodo being sick and lonley and then leaving ME. Just makes me very sad [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] because I know he will not come back, that is, till I read the beginning again [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-07-2002, 06:52 PM   #13
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I agree with you guys the saddest parts for me were when Sam thinks Frodo is dead and when Frodo leaves ME. I was also sad when I thought Pippin died under the Troll and Merry returned thinking he was going to die after killing the Nazgul. Borimir's death was also a tear jerkerbut he was one of my favs.
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For me it has to be the way Book 5 ended. I really thought Pippin had died and the situation was just so hopeless.
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Old 10-08-2002, 05:44 PM   #15
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I weep hysterically throughout the last 5 or 6 chapters of book 6 every time. Last time was on an airplane and I got some pretty strange looks...and I am not sure if it is because I know that the book is about to end or because I love the bravery of all of the protagonists in the book. If you think about it, it is in the last chapters that Merry, Pippin, Sam, Aragorn, and Frodo really shine. And, I do not know what the rest of you think, but I truly feel sympathy for Gollum each time he dies. I mean, there was no way he could live without the ring, but I still feel sympathy for him, nonetheless.
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Old 10-08-2002, 07:28 PM   #16
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"each time he dies"

Hehe. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

I cry anytime Sam is in distress, and anytime one of the characters with the exception of Sauron and the King of the Nazgul and such dies or is thought to be dead...Pippin, Frodo, Gandalf, the hobbits on the Downs, etc, etc, etc.

I think what I consider the saddest parts are:
-*- when Sam thinks Frodo is dead and threatens suicide...in fact that whole chapter...I love Sam. *sigh*
-*- in the Tale of Years when it says that Merry and Pippin were dead. I got so attached to them, and they almost died so many times I didn't really think it was fair that they really had to
-*- when Merry, Éowyn and Faramir are presumed dead in the Houses of Healing
-*- when Pippin is presumed dead

Is there any character who DOESN'T have a near-death or death experience?
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Old 10-09-2002, 04:41 AM   #17
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Wow, Elenna. That was beautiful.

I always wished I could jump into the story and be with Eowyn. To have her ride beside me in battle. To protect her and be protected by her. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Since LMP has very eloquently gone over the scene between Sméagol and Sam on the edge of Mordor, I can only add the ending of Aragorn and Arwen's story. For me it combines the tragedies inherent in the fates of Men and Elves: for Men the tragedy is that they must at some time leave all behind them, but for Elves it is that any association with other races condemns them to bereavement.
The passing of Arwen is particularly poignant in that it gives such an impression of loss. Since she dies in Lothlorien we see her fading and that of the land together, which serves to remind one just how much is being lost; but the scene is also suffused with a feeling of inevitability that lends it a fatalistic air. This is the sadness of total despair.
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Old 10-09-2002, 10:54 AM   #19
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Personally, I felt like crying during the scene at the grey havens. However, I did not because one element is there that most of the previous posts have missed; hope. The grey havens is not the end, nor is it a metaphor for sweet death. The large host once again united sails across the seas to live with the Valar. How amazing is that?
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The thing that always gets me is that the hobbits of the Shire ignore Frodo after he gets back. He went through so much, and the other three hobbits all benefit from their adventures, but poor Frodo doesn't. It was just so weird to be plunged back into the Shire where no one seems to care about the great deeds done in the outside world.

And then Arwen and Aragorn. I would hate to be an Elf and outlive the mortal(s) I loved. This reminds me of when I watched "The Green Mile". The very ending, at the nursing home, had me bawling. There's just something so terribly sad about being lonely.
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Me too Diamond18! Frodo carried the horrible burden and the others (esp. Merry and Pippin who weren't even supposed to go in the first place) got all the credit. I think it's because they were so bent on using violence to destroy Sharkey and his men and Frodo was more anti-violence. The hobbits didn't like that, they wanted to kick Sharkey's butt!
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I think one of the saddest parts to me in the entire trilogy is the part just after the Ring has been destroyed as Frodo sounds so weary with hopelesness:

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That part is just so sad because you can hear the utter desolation Frodo feels! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
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The sadest part is when pippin thinks hes dead
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I completely agree with Diamond18, I was so sad at the end of the books when Frodo was ignored, and in all that pain. Also, the scene with Smeagol and Sam always touches me.
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Alas! The end...it was sooo nice, yet so sad... "Well," sighed Sam, "I'm back," or something along the lines.... *sigh* I wasn't..that sad when Gandalf died...I thought of felt...things were meant to be..though I was awfully happy when his "ghost" came bakc...when the shot Saruman and Worm tongue...it was sad..the war in the Shire, how Frodo tried to bring peace....I always get a knot in my stomach when I think about it...
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When Sam thinks that Frodo is dead is probably the saddest part in the books. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] There are some other serious trauma parts, like when Frodo leaves Middle-earth (I cried, seriously), and when Merry and Pippin get kidnapped by the Uruk-hai. Very traumatic.
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The saddest parts for me were at the Grey Havens when Frodo explain why he cannot stay in the Shire and when Sam believe Frodo to be dead ("Don't leave me here alone! It's your Sam calling! Don't go where I can't follow!') which have been mentioned. Another part that always makes me sad is Quickbeam's lament for the lost rowan trees. And then Sam's song 'I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell,' causes me to smile behind tears. Tolkien could write so beautifully, so many parts of LotR touch our hearts and lives! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Way late response to Cimm:

Yes, we know how you feel about warrior maids, Cimm [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. But I too sort of wish I could be there to help her.
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*curtsies to lmp's and Squatter's eloquence*

*hugs joyously theWhiteLady*

It is a treat to read one of your posts again, tWL, for it reminds me just how often I have found pleasure in reading them. You bring a sure knowledge of the books to your arguments, so that I always come away richer for reading them. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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When the Hobbits return to the Shire and nobody gives them any credit for what they've done (surely news must have travelled back by then) always seemed a bit sad to me. It's reminicent of American soldiers coming back from Vietnam and being ignored or abused.
Frodo leaving ME and not benefiting from all the good work he had done also semmed a bit sad.
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I think Sam discarding his pots and pans is a good compeitor. It's so pue Sam to bring pots on a journey that will change the fate of the world, it' like he i finally givin in to reality.

And of course Frodo leaving ME, an Gandalf going "Not all tears are bad tears" or something like that.
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Frodo on the way back to the Shire, to Gandalf: "I have been wounded by knife, tooth, and sting, and a long burden; where will I find rest?"

...and...

Frodo and Sam as they meet Bilbo in the last chapter:

"Yes, to the Havens, Sam."

"And I can't come."
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