Faerie - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

GollumsPrecious · 03-07-2002, 12:28 PM

aye...what is it ?...I have a rough sort of idea but do any of you folk out there have anything a bit clearer. It's not something JR mentions too often but it does crop up in some of the early stuff.

Ta....Paul.

Maeglin · 03-07-2002, 12:52 PM

Grrr... I'm sure that was mentioned somwhere in the book of lost tales 1. I just cant find it. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Rosa Underhill · 03-07-2002, 02:02 PM

If you'd like to know all about Faerie, as Tolkien described it, and are willing to read about it for a long time, I highly recommend his essay "On Fairy Stories". You can find it in "The Tolkien Reader" and probably elsewhere, too. It's a great read; hard, but great!

Voronwe · 03-07-2002, 02:37 PM

Faerie is another name for the Undying Lands in the West - Valinor and maybe Tol Eressea as well. The word is used once in the Hobbit, and a few times in other places (including "Smith of Wotton Major").

littlemanpoet · 03-07-2002, 03:18 PM

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Faerie is another name for the Undying Lands in the West - Valinor and maybe Tol Eressea as well.

I think, Voronwe, that you limit Faerie too much. Faerie is wherever Elves are, I think. You have it in Rivendell, in Lorien, in Thranduil's realm, etc. This makes sense, because (as I've said elsewhere) Elves are modeled (not solely) upon the Tuatha de Danaan of Celtic myth, which are the original 'faerie' peoples.

Voronwe · 03-08-2002, 12:45 PM

In The Hobbit, it says that Tharanduil's people were descended from the elves that 'never went to Faerie in the West'. I think, in this context at least, Faerie means Valinor.

03-07-2002, 12:28 PM	#1
GollumsPrecious Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK Posts: 21	Faerie aye...what is it ?...I have a rough sort of idea but do any of you folk out there have anything a bit clearer. It's not something JR mentions too often but it does crop up in some of the early stuff. Ta....Paul. __________________ Ugluk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob bubhosh skai'...

03-07-2002, 12:52 PM	#2
Maeglin Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nan Elmoth Posts: 136	Grrr... I'm sure that was mentioned somwhere in the book of lost tales 1. I just cant find it. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ The fool speaks of what he knows. The wise knows what he speaks of.

03-07-2002, 02:02 PM	#3
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	If you'd like to know all about Faerie, as Tolkien described it, and are willing to read about it for a long time, I highly recommend his essay "On Fairy Stories". You can find it in "The Tolkien Reader" and probably elsewhere, too. It's a great read; hard, but great! __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

03-07-2002, 02:37 PM	#4
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Faerie is another name for the Undying Lands in the West - Valinor and maybe Tol Eressea as well. The word is used once in the Hobbit, and a few times in other places (including "Smith of Wotton Major"). __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

03-08-2002, 12:45 PM	#6
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	In The Hobbit, it says that Tharanduil's people were descended from the elves that 'never went to Faerie in the West'. I think, in this context at least, Faerie means Valinor. __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes